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  1. Quote Originally Posted by seccsi View Post
    @ Swollen: Some people like Obama because he's black some people dislike him because he's black. I hardly think any student of history would say he only won the Presidency because he was black. I do think a large part of his criticism is race related in the sense that if a white man had had the same presidency as him so far he wouldn't see as much criticism as he has.
    well, im not a student of history... im a resident of nj, and its VERY diverse here.... this i do not mind, i have no problem with black people

    - but literally EVERY black person i know (i know alot) voted for obama... and 99% of them have no idea what is going on in the world at all...

    theyre were rallys in every black neighborhood in my area.... and your gunna try to tell me these people didnt elect him because he was black?

    it was at least part of it, and the other part was obamas campaigning... which was obviously the most sucessfull part of his presidency



    if a white man was in the office, he would get JUST AS MUCH criticism as o-bam-bam.

    look at history, every president has had criticism... obama supporters are just opposing the criticism claiming it is race related....


    hes still scum in my book
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by seccsi View Post

    Anyways, (and seriously) I won't respond to any of the conspiracy theory type stuff from here on out. I've done all that in the past and like with the 9/11 thing I find it a huge waste of time. Clearly we can both find many things that lend credence to one side or the other and these have been hashed out on many other forums. I don't want to get into it. I'd rather read your Anabeta log with my time than debate this
    Ok my friend, Ill calm down, lol

    Its good you dont jump to conclusions just because I make statements on a board,

    Your a libertarian? How do you feel about Ron Paul running again?
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    I think Obama is actually getting far less criticism than Bush (I on the other hand hate both of the equally.) It seems that more people are accepting of the wars because Obama is better at relaying the propaganda messages to the public, reasoning the Bildeberger group had selected him to win the election.
    This I can play with I disagree. I think Obama sees a level of hate two years into his presidency that no one has ever seen. He is well liked by a lot of people, but those that oppose him oppose him with a nature I have never seen before. GWB was certainly disliked and to a large extent, but I think a lot of this was especially evident later in his presidency. The Presidency is a largely thankless job and usually we bitch about the person in power no matter what. I think as his recent numbers have shown Obama will get less popular as his presidency continues. The sheer level of natural hatred I don't think was seen with GWB. Then again I live in a pretty conservative state

  4. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Ok my friend, Ill calm down, lol

    Its good you dont jump to conclusions just because I make statements on a board,

    Your a libertarian? How do you feel about Ron Paul running again?
    I don't care. It's great that he runs because it is fun to listen to him talk (though I don't agree with him on some things) especially at Republican debates, but he has no chance of winning. I do think libertarians on the whole is sorta picking up steam (though I DON'T think the vast majority of tea partiers are libertarian from what I have talked to (seriously Michele Bachmann?!) but he has no chance. I just wish more people would see how hurt we are by a two party system.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    well, im not a student of history... im a resident of nj, and its VERY diverse here.... this i do not mind, i have no problem with black people

    - but literally EVERY black person i know (i know alot) voted for obama... and 99% of them have no idea what is going on in the world at all...

    theyre were rallys in every black neighborhood in my area.... and your gunna try to tell me these people didnt elect him because he was black?

    it was at least part of it, and the other part was obamas campaigning... which was obviously the most sucessfull part of his presidency



    if a white man was in the office, he would get JUST AS MUCH criticism as o-bam-bam.

    look at history, every president has had criticism... obama supporters are just opposing the criticism claiming it is race related....


    hes still scum in my book
    The black guys at my gym dont even consider Obama black, lol shows that it may be more of a regional thing than just color.

    Im sure some people vote white just because their white, and some vote black because their black, etc....

    But there should be other contributing factors such as 8 years of Bush being the top dog of the Republican leadership and being completely disconnected with a large portion of the population.

    I actually voted for Obama, 100% honest, I feel my criticism is quite genuine as everything he has stated in his campaign he has turned his back against.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by seccsi View Post
    This I can play with I disagree. I think Obama sees a level of hate two years into his presidency that no one has ever seen. He is well liked by a lot of people, but those that oppose him oppose him with a nature I have never seen before. GWB was certainly disliked and to a large extent, but I think a lot of this was especially evident later in his presidency. The Presidency is a largely thankless job and usually we bitch about the person in power no matter what. I think as his recent numbers have shown Obama will get less popular as his presidency continues. The sheer level of natural hatred I don't think was seen with GWB. Then again I live in a pretty conservative state

    kansas is 83.8 % white
    and 5.9 % black

    this could be why you see the hatred and not the praising....

    while nj is only 59% white
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by seccsi View Post
    I don't care. It's great that he runs because it is fun to listen to him talk (though I don't agree with him on some things) especially at Republican debates, but he has no chance of winning. I do think libertarians on the whole is sorta picking up steam (though I DON'T think the vast majority of tea partiers are libertarian from what I have talked to (seriously Michele Bachmann?!) but he has no chance. I just wish more people would see how hurt we are by a two party system.
    I think what happened was Ron Paul actually launched the tea party, next thing you know CNN is portraying Sarah Palin as the leader of the tea party giving public speeches to tea party rallys on national television.

    Its as if the tea party was infiltrated by republicans as a way to levy up and capitalize on a movement at the same time putting the true idea's and leaders of the movement down.
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    The black guys at my gym dont even consider Obama black, lol shows that it may be more of a regional thing than just color.

    Im sure some people vote white just because their white, and some vote black because their black, etc....

    But there should be other contributing factors such as 8 years of Bush being the top dog of the Republican leadership and being completely disconnected with a large portion of the population.

    I actually voted for Obama, 100% honest, I feel my criticism is quite genuine as everything he has stated in his campaign he has turned his back against.
    lol at him not being black..

    i feel bad for you voting for abama...
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    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    well, im not a student of history... im a resident of nj, and its VERY diverse here.... this i do not mind, i have no problem with black people

    - but literally EVERY black person i know (i know alot) voted for obama... and 99% of them have no idea what is going on in the world at all...

    theyre were rallys in every black neighborhood in my area.... and your gunna try to tell me these people didnt elect him because he was black?

    it was at least part of it, and the other part was obamas campaigning... which was obviously the most sucessfull part of his presidency



    if a white man was in the office, he would get JUST AS MUCH criticism as o-bam-bam.

    look at history, every president has had criticism... obama supporters are just opposing the criticism claiming it is race related....


    hes still scum in my book
    @ Swollen: Clearly the vast majority of blacks voted for Obama, but keep in mind that is still just 12.5% of the population. And I know a TON of whites who are just as stupid about what's going on in the world who DIDN'T vote for Obama solely because he is black. He couldn't win the election with just the black vote though he obviously carried that by a large margin.

    My point was that a lot of the hate towards him was taking place before he even got into office and a lot of it is less to do with his policies than his skin color. Seriously if people are going to fly the flag at half mast BEFORE someone does ANYTHING I think that shows they don't like something. And I've heard countless people say things like "that's what we get for letting an N word in office."

    This is not to say that I think all his criticism is race related, but I do think things like the rise of some militias and the big fear of him even before he had really settled in was race related.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    I think what happened was Ron Paul actually launched the tea party, next thing you know CNN is portraying Sarah Palin as the leader of the tea party giving public speeches to tea party rallys on national television.

    Its as if the tea party was infiltrated by republicans as a way to levy up and capitalize on a movement at the same time putting the true idea's and leaders of the movement down.
    I vote for Ron Paul along with like 4 other people

  11. Quote Originally Posted by seccsi View Post
    I vote for Ron Paul along with like 4 other people
    He wont be running as a congressman anymore, if he loses the election (and I expect him to lose, unfortunatly ) then thats pretty much an end of that era.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by seccsi View Post
    @ Swollen: Some people like Obama because he's black some people dislike him because he's black. I hardly think any student of history would say he only won the Presidency because he was black. I do think a large part of his criticism is race related in the sense that if a white man had had the same presidency as him so far he wouldn't see as much criticism as he has.
    I'm sorry but you are sooooooo far off the mark here. He was elected because he was black. Period. A white man with the same upbringing, education and experience as he had would never have made it through the primaries.

    And none of my criticisms of him are based on skin color, i'm about as non-racist as it gets. His poilicies and ideals are crazy, as well as the people he associated with and considers his mentors.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by seccsi View Post
    I'm pretty much a libertarian so my side never wins but I'll give my two cents:

    1. I don't see how anyone can call Obama the worst president in history halfway through his term. Just what are you basing that on exactly? He's been in office two years and he's that horrible? Honestly I think anyone who calls someone the "worst president ever" is probably just being completely ignorant. I was against many things that GWB did (and many of the continued things that Obama did) but it is WAY too early to call someone the worst at something. History has a lot to play out to judge the things that these two men have done....Bush even, let alone Obama.
    I dunno, he's created more debt than any other president. He used the money we took on in debt to buy banks, buy General Motors and other assorted socialist/communist things which congress isn't authorized to do. He's changing the definition of rights - in the constitution + bill of rights if you read it the rights are rights against government intrusion in. Now with Obama more has been done to define rights as things the government owes you. He's also been the most adept at making statements that make himself sound like he is compromising and working with republicans while the whole time knowing the democrats in congress won't vote for it and he can pull some minor excuse out of his ass as to what they changed.

    And the very very very worst thing is that he will not veto the whole "super congress" nonsense that is being added into the bills for the debt ceiling. It suddenly throws out our constitution entirely, makes the rank and file of congress useless, and puts all the power into 12 mens hands.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0...tml?1311626737

  14. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    I'm sorry but you are sooooooo far off the mark here. He was elected because he was black. Period. A white man with the same upbringing, education and experience as he had would never have made it through the primaries.

    And none of my criticisms of him are based on skin color, i'm about as non-racist as it gets. His poilicies and ideals are crazy, as well as the people he associated with and considers his mentors.
    Are you talking about his policies and ideals that he campaigned on? Or the ones he actually engaged in? Because the 2 are 2 totally opposite extremes.
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Are you talking about his policies and ideals that he campaigned on? Or the ones he actually engaged in? Because the 2 are 2 totally opposite extremes.
    both really, because they both were the extremes

  16. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    both really, because they both were the extremes
    Thats what I thought you would say, lol

    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post

    And the very very very worst thing is that he will not veto the whole "super congress" nonsense that is being added into the bills for the debt ceiling. It suddenly throws out our constitution entirely, makes the rank and file of congress useless, and puts all the power into 12 mens hands.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0...tml?1311626737
    Lets not forget this "constitutional lawyer" extended the Patriot act, is establishing an executive dictatorship w/ countless executive orders and even went to war with Libya without consulting congress.

    This "Super Congress" appears to only be icing on the cake to hand the country over to the private entities.
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL

    I dunno, he's created more debt than any other president. He used the money we took on in debt to buy banks, buy General Motors and other assorted socialist/communist things which congress isn't authorized to do. He's changing the definition of rights - in the constitution + bill of rights if you read it the rights are rights against government intrusion in. Now with Obama more has been done to define rights as things the government owes you. He's also been the most adept at making statements that make himself sound like he is compromising and working with republicans while the whole time knowing the democrats in congress won't vote for it and he can pull some minor excuse out of his ass as to what they changed.

    And the very very very worst thing is that he will not veto the whole "super congress" nonsense that is being added into the bills for the debt ceiling. It suddenly throws out our constitution entirely, makes the rank and file of congress useless, and puts all the power into 12 mens hands.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0...tml?1311626737
    This is such a tired argument. Tarp and the auto bailouts were initiated under Bush bro. Now, Obama has done a horrible job of improving that situation but pinning the while thing to him is silly.

    Obama has continued Bush's over reach and expansion of powers of the president. Bush created the Patriot Act which is a direct violation of rights. Obama extended it. Bush lied us into a war. Obama is ignoring existing law getting us into another.

    I voted for both of them. They both suck. But...I still believe the other option presented in both cases was worse.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Rahl View Post
    This is such a tired argument. Tarp and the auto bailouts were initiated under Bush bro. Now, Obama has done a horrible job of improving that situation but pinning the while thing to him is silly.

    Obama has continued Bush's over reach and expansion of powers of the president. Bush created the Patriot Act which is a direct violation of rights. Obama extended it. Bush lied us into a war. Obama is ignoring existing law getting us into another.

    I voted for both of them. They both suck. But...I still believe the other option presented in both cases was worse.
    What your stating in the first statement you make is what I always trying telling people, there is no difference between Democrats and Republicans and this country is hijacked by a 1 party duopoly system. When it comes to big issues they all put on a show on TV, and when the doors close they all shake hands and make deals.
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by Rahl View Post
    This is such a tired argument. Tarp and the auto bailouts were initiated under Bush bro. Now, Obama has done a horrible job of improving that situation but pinning the while thing to him is silly.

    Obama has continued Bush's over reach and expansion of powers of the president. Bush created the Patriot Act which is a direct violation of rights. Obama extended it. Bush lied us into a war. Obama is ignoring existing law getting us into another.

    I voted for both of them. They both suck. But...I still believe the other option presented in both cases was worse.
    TARP + the bailouts were done by the democrat controlled congress, not by Bush. Obama is just an extension of them. And Obama's 800+ billion stimulus package was all his.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    TARP + the bailouts were done by the democrat controlled congress, not by Bush. Obama is just an extension of them. And Obama's 800+ billion stimulus package was all his.
    I thought Bush started the bailouts actually and had congress approve of them. There were many bailouts perhaps we all got lost here, lol

    for example,
    http://articles.cnn.com/2008-09-24/p..._s=PM:POLITICS
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  21. I love the general idea from some that blacks and minorities voted for Obama simply because he was black, when others like Jesse Jackson, or Alan Keyes, couldn't even make it past a primary. How many presidents prior to Obama were black? I guess that must mean those men all won simply because they were? See where I'm going with this?

  22. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    I thought Bush started the bailouts actually and had congress approve of them. There were many bailouts perhaps we all got lost here, lol

    for example,
    http://articles.cnn.com/2008-09-24/p..._s=PM:POLITICS
    They may have been bush's idea, but it still is congress who approves them

  23. Both parties had a hand in the bailouts.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by southpaw23 View Post
    I love the general idea from some that blacks and minorities voted for Obama simply because he was black, when others like Jesse Jackson, or Alan Keyes, couldn't even make it past a primary. How many presidents prior to Obama were black? I guess that must mean those men all won simply because they were? See where I'm going with this?
    Some blacks do vote for blacks just because their blacks, the same ones who also would vote for Jesse and Alan. Some whites will refuse to vote for black people, its just basic racism that still floats around the country.

    Being said, Obama won due to a vast marketing campaign and millions of dollars of corporate campaign contributions. He already has 1 billion dollars for the next election.

    We now as of a year ago live in a world where the Supreme Court granted corporations permission to contribute unlimited amounts of money to politicians. We do not live in a democracy any more. Its just like Muscletech, they have money for market power and outsell a better superior company such as Genomyx by a landslide.

    Due to corporate control of the media, money buys airtime, thats what people go by (as a majority) and their choices are narrowed down to either coke or pepsi.
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  25. So if voting is based on cultural, ethnic or racial identity, then that would also hold true for all presidents prior to Obama? I'm not getting into a back and forth about political ideology. I didn't come in here for that. I just read some of the comments about casting votes based on one's racial makeup. Conservatives and liberals see the world differently...shocking. Everyone thinks they have the right answers, the right philosophies by which to lead, usually they are wrong in both cases.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by southpaw23 View Post
    So if voting is based on cultural, ethnic or racial identity, then that would also hold true for all presidents prior to Obama? I'm not getting into a back and forth about political ideology. I didn't come in here for that. I just read some of the comments about casting votes based on one's racial makeup. Conservatives and liberals see the world differently...shocking. Everyone thinks they have the right answers, the right philosophies by which to lead, usually they are wrong in both cases.
    The difference here wasn't simple the color or voting with color, but that you were instantly declared a racist if you disagreed with anything Obama said during his campaign. If you disagreed with the idea of closing Guantanamo, it was because you were racist not because you thought Cuba was a good place to keep terrorists. I was called a racist many times here on anabolic minds over disagreeing with Obama's stated policies.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by southpaw23
    Both parties had a hand in the bailouts.
    This. Tarp was born in the treasury dept run by Goldman Sachs. Oops! I mean Paulson. The dema in congress signed off on it. Bush endorsed it.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    The difference here wasn't simple the color or voting with color, but that you were instantly declared a racist if you disagreed with anything Obama said during his campaign. If you disagreed with the idea of closing Guantanamo, it was because you were racist not because you thought Cuba was a good place to keep terrorists. I was called a racist many times here on anabolic minds over disagreeing with Obama's stated policies.
    I was part of those early political threads, with people going back and forth, in fact you and I did as well on a few occasions lol. You're a good man who just happens to have strong beliefs, that I also happen to respectfully disagree with, but I'd never classify you as a racist. I classify you as a supplement racist, because you refuse to use the same products that I do.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    The difference here wasn't simple the color or voting with color, but that you were instantly declared a racist if you disagreed with anything Obama said during his campaign. If you disagreed with the idea of closing Guantanamo, it was because you were racist not because you thought Cuba was a good place to keep terrorists. I was called a racist many times here on anabolic minds over disagreeing with Obama's stated policies.
    I wonder why nobody ever called me a racist when I used to spill my guts criticizing the Bush regime. Maybe the accuser has internal race issues thinking its only ok to criticize your own color, but when its the opposite color lets jump to conclusions and call it racism?
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  30. Quote Originally Posted by southpaw23 View Post
    I was part of those early political threads, with people going back and forth, in fact you and I did as well on a few occasions lol. You're a good man who just happens to have strong beliefs, that I also happen to respectfully disagree with, but I'd never classify you as a racist. I classify you as a supplement racist, because you refuse to use the same products that I do.
    Well, thats because what you use for supplements are low class, lazy, and stupid

    Yeah, but plenty of other people threw that out as the first thing, calling someone racist because they didn't agree with Obama's campaign. And even at the polls, there was quite a bit of white voter intimidation in some of the urban areas. But I'm not quite saying his actual election win was due to his race, but moreso his primary win was race based (without which he could never have gotten elected of course). Race probably gave him a 5-10% lead in the actual election which I can't quite recall the results but I don't think it would have skewed it enough had it gone to mccain to give him enough electoral votes to win anyhow.
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