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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    In debt and deficit alone, the difference then vs now is then, a person earning $50,000 a year living on spending $62000 a year and having $109,000 in debt vs that same $50,000 a year income spending more than $75,000 a year, and having $350,000 in debt.

    You can see as an individual perspective why its so different today. But definitely there should have been the sustained push to make the fake Clinton surplus into a real one, and bush sucked for passing Medicare part d, and plenty of his other spending. Still I find what he or Reagan chose to spend on more than what Obama has chose to spend on.
    It's all been one giant snowball. When you grow the federal gov't to insane sizes, it's tough to get it to shrink. People have come to want/expect the things that previous presidents like Reagan, Bushes, Clinton gave them.

    Anyways the funny thing (funny in a make me vomit my guts out sort of way) is listening to all the current Republicans talk about small gov't, reduced spending, let us run things. A lot of these people are the EXACT same ones who under Bush II started the biggest mistake war in American history (Iraq), bailed out huge companies, sent the American people checks in the mail, etc times a million. It's that hypocrisy (and I do think it's blatant hypocrisy) that infuriates me. They had no problems with any of that and the instant Obama gets in NOW they are some type of deficit warriors? They are just pissed it isn't their side spending just like Democrats are when Republicans are in office. But anyways, I gotta go squat

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    good points here
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    Quit voting for lawyers and career politicians and elect some accountants. Accountants are ruthless, and like it or not, they'll make the tough decisions to balance the budget.

    Who do you think would be more upset at the accountant, Democrats or Republicans?
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    Quote Originally Posted by omni View Post
    Quit voting for lawyers and career politicians and elect some accountants. Accountants are ruthless, and like it or not, they'll make the tough decisions to balance the budget.

    Who do you think would be more upset at the accountant, Democrats or Republicans?
    You say this as if Democrats and Republicans are different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seccsi

    You say this as if Democrats and Republicans are different.
    There's definitely been some blurry lines there.....
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    Some very valid points being made here accross the board!!
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    Reagan was an actor in a stage constructed from corporate interest and war profiteering. The only difference between then and now is the actor.
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    Reagan was a God among men there will never be another that will measure up! Great Thread!
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    lol
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    Ronald Reagan was the greatest fraud ever perpetrated upon the American people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ironlonghorn
    Ronald Reagan was the greatest fraud ever perpetrated upon the American people.
    State facts. Otherwise you just spout typical left wing crap that is completely unsupported.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesm11 View Post
    State facts. Otherwise you just spout typical left wing crap that is completely unsupported.
    1. His neo-liberal policies have had devastating consequences on the middle/working class. Real Wages and the standard of living for the middle/working class have fallen against inflation.

    2. Income Inequality has grown vastly.

    3. The government's ability to administer public services effectively were compromised due to his "smaller government" policies.

    4. He is responsible for the Free Market Fundamentalism that has strived for "setting the bull loose'.

    5. His drug policies is responsible for the large amount of social decay in urban African American policies.

    6. He instituted policies in the state of California when he was governor to remove the ability for citizens to open carry weapons in public. This policy was passed specifically to crush to Black Panther for Self Defense movement; a black revolutionary civil rights grouped aimed at policing the arbitrary police forces, as well as improving the livelihoods of the black community, that were brutally beating and killing the African American poor.

    7. He cut taxes severally causing a large deficit to form when he left office. His tax cuts for the rich grew the economy, a very fragile, unreliable and unstable bubble economy, but also put a very hard strain on the middle and working class. The lack of taxation also caused many social safety net programs and institutions to fail; students use to go to college for free in California before the Reagan tax cuts were in effect for example.

    8. His policies were very harsh towards the working poor, especially blacks.

    9. He increased the strength and power of the military-industrial complex that is running up our deficit to this very day with the outrageous increase in defense spending to the detriment of public service spending.

    10. He did not care much for the enviroment; he removed the solar panels on top of the white house for example.

    11.When Reagan entered office the National debt was $ 1 trillion. When he left it was $3.5 Trillion.

    12. Reagan closed down many mental health hospitals; ironically he died of Alzheimer's lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ironlonghorn View Post
    1. His neo-liberal policies have had devastating consequences on the middle/working class. Real Wages and the standard of living for the middle/working class have fallen against inflation.

    2. Income Inequality has grown vastly.

    3. The government's ability to administer public services effectively were compromised due to his "smaller government" policies.

    4. He is responsible for the Free Market Fundamentalism that has strived for "setting the bull loose'.

    5. His drug policies is responsible for the large amount of social decay in urban African American policies.

    6. He instituted policies in the state of California when he was governor to remove the ability for citizens to open carry weapons in public. This policy was passed specifically to crush to Black Panther for Self Defense movement; a black revolutionary civil rights grouped aimed at policing the arbitrary police forces, as well as improving the livelihoods of the black community, that were brutally beating and killing the African American poor.

    7. He cut taxes severally causing a large deficit to form when he left office. His tax cuts for the rich grew the economy, a very fragile, unreliable and unstable bubble economy, but also put a very hard strain on the middle and working class. The lack of taxation also caused many social safety net programs and institutions to fail; students use to go to college for free in California before the Reagan tax cuts were in effect for example.

    8. His policies were very harsh towards the working poor, especially blacks.

    9. He increased the strength and power of the military-industrial complex that is running up our deficit to this very day with the outrageous increase in defense spending to the detriment of public service spending.

    10. He did not care much for the enviroment; he removed the solar panels on top of the white house for example.

    11.When Reagan entered office the National debt was $ 1 trillion. When he left it was $3.5 Trillion.

    12. Reagan closed down many mental health hospitals; ironically he died of Alzheimer's lol.
    most of those are horsecrap(1,2,3,4,7,8,9,10,12) and to make the whole set meaningful beyond not caring about the constitution you'd have to be a liberal and conservative at the same time

    you did leave out one. He moved the income and expenses of social security from being accounted for separately to being a part of general federal income/expenses.
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    5 is **** too. How about you don't do drugs? To blame a law when committing a felony is retarded. Also the law was likely put in place as a deterrent from crack sales, but instead the uneducated massless blame it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesm11 View Post
    5 is **** too. How about you don't do drugs? To blame a law when committing a felony is retarded. Also the law was likely put in place as a deterrent from crack sales, but instead the uneducated massless blame it.
    constitutionally there is no authority for that. It has not affected the use of drugs, if anything it has increased it, along with violence and incarceration rates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL

    constitutionally there is no authority for that. It has not affected the use of drugs, if anything it has increased it, along with violence and incarceration rates.
    He proposed a law and congress passed it. It is constitutionally allowed
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesm11 View Post
    He proposed a law and congress passed it. It is constitutionally allowed
    no, it isn't. There are specific powers allowed to congress - areas they are allowed to pass laws on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL

    no, it isn't. There are specific powers allowed to congress - areas they are allowed to pass laws on.
    You're wrong. I'm not even sure where you are getting this from.

    Reread the constitution and Federal Laws/Codes
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesm11 View Post
    You're wrong. I'm not even sure where you are getting this from.

    Reread the constitution and Federal Laws/Codes
    No, you are wrong. Congress is authorized to defend our borders, and to regulate interstate commerce. They have no right to regulate possession of a substance, only its sale across state lines. You go back and re-read it. Just because they pass a law does not mean they have constitutional authority to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL

    No, you are wrong. Congress is authorized to defend our borders, and to regulate interstate commerce. They have no right to regulate possession of a substance, only its sale across state lines. You go back and re-read it. Just because they pass a law does not mean they have constitutional authority to.
    You're clueless, they're allowed to. They have many more authorizations: creating court systems as they see fit is a huge one.

    I really don't feel like getting into this but I've taken Constitutional Law 3 times in law school, I assure you they can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesm11 View Post
    You're clueless, they're allowed to. They have many more authorizations: creating court systems as they see fit is a huge one.

    I really don't feel like getting into this but I've taken Constitutional Law 3 times in law school, I assure you they can.
    Obama majored in constitutional law, having taken the classes particularly ones that come now 200 years later after congress and the court system has repeatedly stepped on the constitution really has nothing to do with what actually was written in the constitution.
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    I may be the only one who views it this way (not the first time), but I believe this thread contains a great deal of unsubstantiated and highly selective liberal opinions, some of which may be endemic to those in the early stages of adulthood. Some of the views appear to be the political equivalent of broscience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL

    Obama majored in constitutional law, having taken the classes particularly ones that come now 200 years later after congress and the court system has repeatedly stepped on the constitution really has nothing to do with what actually was written in the constitution.
    Obama did major in constitutional law and still forgot Marbury v Madison when he made his statement that the Supreme Court overruling a president would be unprecedented. The case that you learn in 7th grade and day 1 of con law.
  

  
 

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