I'm afraid of Americans

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  1. In the US, the governments first job is to protect the people, not feed them.
    We have the freedom to work or not work, buy new things or keep using our old things. one problem with the US is that the citizens who made their money here have stopped manufacturing here. We used to be a nation that manufactured things. Now we're just consumers. I live in my states capitol and the only jobs here are service related (delivery, hotels, retail) no engineering of the things that are being bought and delivered.
    When the economy was good I bought a new car and most everything else I needed. Many other Americans did. When things got bad My stuff was already paid off so I was ok. The problem is that a lot of,not all, people did what I did and didn't need the "big ticket" items that are usually delivered, sold and bought.( washers, dryers, cars, tv' etc)That was it for most of the jobs in my area. Car dealers closed down and so on. The good news is that Ford built a nice plant in India, helping their economy. The problem here is that a lot of Americans and politicians think Europe is better for some reason and are trying to globalise everything. Socialism feels nice, but doesn't work. If it did THE world power wouldn't be the USA. If we keep leaning the way we have been and listen to the ideas of Europeans we'll be week like them. I don't think war is the only answer to things but when its the last resort, I'm glad my country has the big defense budget. Maybe we should stop protecting and helping other countries though-oh we would be bad Americans for doing that too!
    Last edited by omni; 02-09-2011 at 02:36 AM. Reason: spelling


  2. Our OP seems to have abandoned his crusade. LOL....I still chuckle at the title. I guess stupid people that go around pushing buttons SHOULD be afraid of Americans.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by omni View Post
    In the US, the governments first job is to protect the people, not feed them.
    We have the freedom to work or not work, buy new things or keep using our old things. one problem with the US is that the citizens who made their money here have stopped manufacturing here. We used to be a nation that manufactured things. Now we're just consumers. I live in my states capitol and the only jobs here are service related (delivery, hotels, retail) no engineering of the things that are being bought and delivered.
    When the economy was good I bought a new car and most everything else I needed. Many other Americans did. When things got bad My stuff was already paid off so I was ok. The problem is that a lot of,not all, people did what I did and didn't need the "big ticket" items that are usually delivered, sold and bought.( washers, dryers, cars, tv' etc)That was it for most of the jobs in my area. Car dealers closed down and so on. The good news is that Ford built a nice plant in India, helping their economy. The problem here is that a lot of Americans and politicians think Europe is better for some reason and are trying to globalise everything. Socialism feels nice, but doesn't work. If it did THE world power wouldn't be the USA. If we keep leaning the way we have been and listen to the ideas of Europeans we'll be week like them. I don't think war is the only answer to things but when its the last resort, I'm glad my country has the big defense budget. Maybe we should stop protecting and helping other countries though-oh we would be bad Americans for doing that too!
    You speak the truth, and I just wanted to add some of my comments onto what you said.
    #1: Our governments ONLY job is to protect the STATES, not the people. It's job is to keep the states from fighting with each other, and to defend the nation from enemies, both foreign and domestic. The federal government is NEVER to get involved at the personal level.
    #2: Employers that leave here to go overseas do so not because it is easier (it is not), but because it is more cost effective. Our government is inhibiting job growth and creation on many different levels, and has been for some time (although not to the extent that it is now). Businesses no longer know what their cost liabilities are going to look like, and as such, one can not expect them to hire a new employee. Then, add onto the cost liabilities the tax changes, and the 1099 provision in the Obamacare law that requires them to file a 1099 (Capital Gains) for every sale of $600.00 or more, it starts to get ridiculous. To give an idea, if Sony had to file a 1099 for every PS3 sold that was $600.00+, they would have filed 10.6 MILLION 1099's every year for the last 4.5 years. How much money and time would be wasted filing these provisions, not to mention paying capital gains tax, and not to mention having to hire new employees simply to PROCESS these 1099's. Sony can handle it, many other companies can not, and since they cannot afford to HIRE new employees, they will simply have to become less productive, reassign some employees to process the 1099's, and lay off a few workers (OR cut wages/hours) to make up the lost profits. OR, simply move your company to a country that actually WANTS you to be there employing people. See, our government just expects businesses to eat the loss, which will never happen, nor should it. Omni hit it right on the head, I just wanted to clarify that businesses are being demonized for doing what anybody else would do in their position. Oh, I am SO sure I am going to get wrecked for this, I just wanted to explain!
    --Brian

  4. Quote Originally Posted by diablosho View Post
    #2: Employers that leave here to go overseas do so not because it is easier (it is not), but because it is more cost effective. Our government is inhibiting job growth and creation on many different levels, and has been for some time (although not to the extent that it is now). Businesses no longer know what their cost liabilities are going to look like, and as such, one can not expect them to hire a new employee. Then, add onto the cost liabilities the tax changes, and the 1099 provision in the Obamacare law that requires them to file a 1099 (Capital Gains) for every sale of $600.00 or more, it starts to get ridiculous. To give an idea, if Sony had to file a 1099 for every PS3 sold that was $600.00+, they would have filed 10.6 MILLION 1099's every year for the last 4.5 years. How much money and time would be wasted filing these provisions, not to mention paying capital gains tax, and not to mention having to hire new employees simply to PROCESS these 1099's. Sony can handle it, many other companies can not, and since they cannot afford to HIRE new employees, they will simply have to become less productive, reassign some employees to process the 1099's, and lay off a few workers (OR cut wages/hours) to make up the lost profits. OR, simply move your company to a country that actually WANTS you to be there employing people. See, our government just expects businesses to eat the loss, which will never happen, nor should it. Omni hit it right on the head, I just wanted to clarify that businesses are being demonized for doing what anybody else would do in their position. Oh, I am SO sure I am going to get wrecked for this, I just wanted to explain!
    --Brian
    I dont necesarily think that it is just a matter of the fed inhibiting growth here. Companies realize how much more cost effective it is, and with the desire for greater profit margins (not helping their own countrymen) they grow abroad.

    Gordon Gecko "Greed is good"

    This is the beauty of human nature...you always want more
    Mr. Supps Board Rep

  5. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    I dont necesarily think that it is just a matter of the fed inhibiting growth here. Companies realize how much more cost effective it is, and with the desire for greater profit margins (not helping their own countrymen) they grow abroad.

    Gordon Gecko "Greed is good"

    This is the beauty of human nature...you always want more
    But again, I don't think you can blame a company for looking out for its own self interest, as it has been shown NO ONE is looking out for theirs. Let's examine what makes it so much more cost effective to hire overseas:
    1. Taxes
    2. Tariffs
    3. Wages (no unions strongarming companies into paying workers exorbitant wages, like my uncle making $50.00 an hour to install door panels at the Ford plant)
    All 3 of these things are epidemics in America. Other countries are FIGHTING for our companies to hire THEIR workers, and we are pushing them away! It always comes down to this: If you want employers to hire in your area, you must give them an incentive to do so; they are not hiring agencies. Why shop at Albertson's if you can get the same products at 50% off at Wal-Mart (I know I am exagerating a little bit, but you get the idea). Hence why Wal-Mart (which coincidentally doesn't have labor unions, and is hiring in a recession) is doing so well. EVERYTHING in nature takes the path of least resistance, be it electricity, animals, water, etc. So again, to get employers to hire, you must create an economic environment that would allow a business to justify doing so (lower taxes/penalties, less paperwork requirements, FAIR wages). That WILL bring employers back to the states, but not until then! Hell, we bailed out Chrysler, and they are building the Challenger engines in Mexico and the bodies is Canada. The only time any part of the Challenger is in America is when it is passing through!
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    Companies realize how much more cost effective it is, and with the desire for greater profit margins (not helping their own countrymen) they grow abroad.
    whats funny there is that the vast majority of individuals are exactly the same way. They'll buy crappy chinese goods because they are cheaper. Or they'll buy a stolen flatscreen TV because its only $200 instead of the $500 at the store. Or etc etc etc. It is a general human pattern, not something limited to corporations.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    whats funny there is that the vast majority of individuals are exactly the same way. They'll buy crappy chinese goods because they are cheaper. Or they'll buy a stolen flatscreen TV because its only $200 instead of the $500 at the store. Or etc etc etc. It is a general human pattern, not something limited to corporations.
    EXACTLY! If we keep demonizing corporations, we will all end up unemployed CONSUMERS, while other countries will have BOOMING economies. Government is the problem, not companies.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by diablosho View Post
    But again, I don't think you can blame a company for looking out for its own self interest, as it has been shown NO ONE is looking out for theirs. Let's examine what makes it so much more cost effective to hire overseas:
    1. Taxes
    2. Tariffs
    3. Wages (no unions strongarming companies into paying workers exorbitant wages, like my uncle making $50.00 an hour to install door panels at the Ford plant)
    All 3 of these things are epidemics in America. Other countries are FIGHTING for our companies to hire THEIR workers, and we are pushing them away! It always comes down to this: If you want employers to hire in your area, you must give them an incentive to do so; they are not hiring agencies. Why shop at Albertson's if you can get the same products at 50% off at Wal-Mart (I know I am exagerating a little bit, but you get the idea). Hence why Wal-Mart (which coincidentally doesn't have labor unions, and is hiring in a recession) is doing so well. EVERYTHING in nature takes the path of least resistance, be it electricity, animals, water, etc. So again, to get employers to hire, you must create an economic environment that would allow a business to justify doing so (lower taxes/penalties, less paperwork requirements, FAIR wages). That WILL bring employers back to the states, but not until then! Hell, we bailed out Chrysler, and they are building the Challenger engines in Mexico and the bodies is Canada. The only time any part of the Challenger is in America is when it is passing through!
    You are right...its shouldnt be a blame issue. However, on the larger scale (corporations) they need to understand the natural consequence (good or bad)

    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    whats funny there is that the vast majority of individuals are exactly the same way. They'll buy crappy chinese goods because they are cheaper. Or they'll buy a stolen flatscreen TV because its only $200 instead of the $500 at the store. Or etc etc etc. It is a general human pattern, not something limited to corporations.
    agreed....as I said Gordon Gecko was correct
    Mr. Supps Board Rep

  9. Would you sacrifice your profits and risk losing your business by basing your company in a hostile economic environment, and still have to deal with the protests on your front lawn, death threats simply for being successful, etc., simply because those same people say it's wrong to leave the country? As soon as people start threatening companies for making "too much money", that bar will get lower and lower as time goes on, until everyone is poor (because as an employer, you will close shop when it is no longer profitable to own your business, thus firing all of your employees). What may seem like a small adjustment to us becomes a very large adjustment for them, as they have tax documents, accounting (cost/profit ratio), and many other factors that go into simply hiring one person and figuring out how much they can afford to pay them.

    Lets examine government jobs. Do they count? Nope! Their employees salaries are paid by taxpayers. Lets say there was only one private company left. Those employees would be paying the salaries of every government employee (any time the word government comes up, simply replace the word "government" with "taxpayer/taxpaying"). It just wouldn't work. As such, every time our government hires more people, takes over a business, bails out a company, or takes over an entire SECTOR of our economy, they are simply shifting more burden onto the remaining taxpayers. That is why expanding our government will only lead to socialism, because once the government gets too big (especially with the help of public labor unions), the private sector will no longer be able to shoulder the tax burden required to pay all of those people. Thus, private sector employees will either get a job with the government, or go on welfare, as it will no longer be worthwhile to work (path of least resistance). That spells the end of capitalism. And before you say that's crazy, in the last 3 years, government has expanded to owning 2/3 of the auto industry, the vast majority of the banking industry (Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac home mortgages), a very large part of the defense industry, and soon health care (and I know president Bush started it, lets not get into that type of discussion). And lets not forget about the TSA! And it is only getting bigger! That is a HUGE chunk of the private sector now working for the government, getting paid by the taxpayers. And then people have the balls to threaten the successful private employers, when they are already shouldering a HUGE amount of the debt of the United States! It is so frustrating seeing people blame the employers for their lack of employment, rather than the real culprit, our government.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by GeekPoop View Post
    We wont leave Iraq and Afgahanistan until the last drop oil is pumped outta the last well.

    Oil is gonna run out in under 37 years.

    whats in the middle of Iraq / Afganaistan??! IRAN!! who still has oil. Saudi's Gawhar is pretty much done, the only reason we care about them is cuz they have ~3trillion invested into our stock market.

    this isnt rocketscience. political parties have nothing to do with this, its about money and being a super power. USA = ROME
    is this something you say with pride

  11. Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicFrenz View Post
    The top 1% pay 39% of all federal taxes, the top 25% pay about 86%, and the top 50% pay 97%.

    The majority of the poor here stay poor cause it is easy for them. If they get everything for free anyway why work for it. If you have found a way to make money, started a business, worked your way up, whatever, why should you be punished so that someone who has not been able to accomplish what you did can live better?

    apparently you've never been poor, or haven't had any experience with the welfare system, but I know in my state, state assistance leaves you well below the poverty line if you don't have a job, and if you do have a full-time job, your benefits are cut and you end up in the same place. maybe if we gave people an incentive to acquire sustainable income rather than penalizing them for it, the poor wouldn't want to "stay poor" because it's easier.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by jgassen15 View Post
    apparently you've never been poor, or haven't had any experience with the welfare system, but I know in my state, state assistance leaves you well below the poverty line if you don't have a job, and if you do have a full-time job, your benefits are cut and you end up in the same place. maybe if we gave people an incentive to acquire sustainable income rather than penalizing them for it, the poor wouldn't want to "stay poor" because it's easier.
    Or if we stopped giving them the handouts in the first place, and they'd be homeless and starve to death unless they got off their lazy asses and did something. Maybe that would motivate them. You'd think homelessness and starvation would be motivational wouldn't you?

  13. Yeah, the good ole USA has just got it all bass ackwards (sarcasm disclaimer). Europe is where it's at. We should take better notes.

    Muliculturism has Failed

  14. Quote Originally Posted by diablosho View Post
    EXACTLY! If we keep demonizing corporations, we will all end up unemployed CONSUMERS, while other countries will have BOOMING economies. Government is the problem, not companies.
    End up? I thought that was what was going on now. We live in a country in which Lady Gaga is one of the most influential women. Revolutionary France condemned and were outraged by the fact Marie Antoinette would wear fancy hair hats and buy pretty kittens while people were unemployed and starving (obviously a more dire situation than we are in now), but we have people sitting on their asses at home on state assistance with a full stack of People magazines wondering how they could get Kim Kardashian's new fragrance line or gawking at how cool Jay Leno's new mutil-million dollar ranch is that he needs to store is chin at. Consumerism drives capitalism.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Or if we stopped giving them the handouts in the first place, and they'd be homeless and starve to death unless they got off their lazy asses and did something. Maybe that would motivate them. You'd think homelessness and starvation would be motivational wouldn't you?
    motivate them to do what? Get a job at McDonald's at minimum wage full-time then still make car payments, rent, insurance, etc.?

  16. Quote Originally Posted by jgassen15 View Post
    motivate them to do what? Get a job at McDonald's at minimum wage full-time then still make car payments, rent, insurance, etc.?
    Who says "everyone" has to own a car?

  17. Quote Originally Posted by jgassen15 View Post
    motivate them to do what? Get a job at McDonald's at minimum wage full-time then still make car payments, rent, insurance, etc.?
    Please read the constitution and bill of rights. It's all about what the government won't do to interfere with your life, not what the government owes you. Car payments? Maybe living inside your means is a better option, or not having children you can't afford to feed.

  18. and you're right, allowing people to starve has payed great dividends to governments in the past... although it's hard to gauge the poverty line in the U.S., roughly 40 million people is a lot to piss off. And does that apply to the mentally ill homeless(20-40%)? I guess we could just take their babies and nuke them, that'd be more efficient. Hell, stick 'em in Arizona, two birds/one stone.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Please read the constitution and bill of rights. It's all about what the government won't do to interfere with your life, not what the government owes you. Car payments? Maybe living inside your means is a better option, or not having children you can't afford to feed.
    Wow, if that's all the Constitution and Bill of Rights entail, I'm surprised we don't have more pissed off people in this country. I wish the FDA would read the Constitution so that I could buy any chemical I want to put in my body. I do second your stance on having children you can't feed. One slip-up is understandable, like 10 is a little redundant.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by jgassen15 View Post
    Wow, if that's all the Constitution and Bill of Rights entail, I'm surprised we don't have more pissed off people in this country. I wish the FDA would read the Constitution so that I could buy any chemical I want to put in my body. I do second your stance on having children you can't feed. One slip-up is understandable, like 10 is a little redundant.
    birthrate per 1000 women on welfare is 3x the birthrate per 1000 women not on welfare. You create a serf class, and they remain that, and live that way indefinitely. Remove that prop, and they'll be forced to do things differently, or die. Its unfair that they outbreed the rest of the population, and then ignore the children to raise useless uneducated losers like themselves.

  21. Finding an effective means to control that birthrate is hard though. You could just put birth control in the water, but I know if I grew bitch tits I'd be pissed. Plus wouldn't that be one of those government infringements you were telling me to read about in that Constitution deal. Simply removing benefits would also cause those children to suffer who didn't ask to be raises in a colony of useless, unedcutated, bunnies.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by jgassen15 View Post
    Finding an effective means to control that birthrate is hard though. You could just put birth control in the water, but I know if I grew bitch tits I'd be pissed. Plus wouldn't that be one of those government infringements you were telling me to read about in that Constitution deal. Simply removing benefits would also cause those children to suffer who didn't ask to be raises in a colony of useless, unedcutated, bunnies.
    So the children suffer, some starve and die. It means the next generation of useless slugs leeching off society will be smaller. I don't see the problem there.

  23. Here's the solution. If you are on government assistance, you can no longer vote. PERIOD! I have had enough of people taking my money, and then they tell me I owe them more! I'll give you what I think you deserve.

  24. And anybody that says you can't make it in society anymore once you become homeless is blind. There are plenty of people that have come back. Is it hard. Yep. Life IS hard, and the only way to change that fact is to RUIN everyone else's lives.

  25. Man...this thread needs a title change to: The thread with the most gross generalizations ever!

    sorry but it needed to be said
    Mr. Supps Board Rep
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