I'm afraid of Americans
- 01-30-2011, 12:23 PM
- 01-30-2011, 12:29 PM
01-30-2011, 12:50 PM
I also think you are being pretty unfair to DAdams by taking his post out of context. I think it's pretty clear what he meant. I don't know, it just seems you are being very condescending (in the way a father speaks to his young son to instill his moral values), but I hope I'm wrong.
01-30-2011, 12:54 PM
This is not a country issue. This is a mankind issue. It's time to look inside and not outside for the real problem! Only morality in our actions can give beauty and dignity to life.
Always open light. Itís not what you open with, itís what you finish with. Louie Simmons
01-30-2011, 01:03 PM
01-30-2011, 01:10 PM
01-30-2011, 01:12 PM
You can look at how many advances in science came about due to defense spending. Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency is the lifeblood of tomorrow's innovation, innovation that will continue to help and aid our citizens, not just feed them for a day.
Some inventions of DARPA:
01-30-2011, 02:55 PM
Im afraid that the USA is following in the exact foot steps of the Roman Empire. The Roman Empire failed because of immigrants that refused to assimilate. Look at this country. Not only do we have immigrants that refuse to assimilate, we pay them to not assimilate, we force others to have to learn thier language, or at least be hassled by having to press #3 for English, we sacrifice our own history and traditions in the name of others religions. We will fall harder then Rome ever did. This country has stemmed so far from its roots that it is sickening. The only people who aren't struggling right now are welfare recepients and millionaires.
01-30-2011, 03:30 PM
Let's not get into detail over what fear stands for exactly and who shall fear whom. The title of this thread might as well have been "Will the United states of debt get its act together or will Fox News / Tea Party activists continue to dumb the country down"?
News from the racket's inside: http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2011/...ng-at-goldman/
01-30-2011, 04:03 PM
Oh, and here's my source (CIA): https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2186rank.html
Now, granted, it's from 2010, but I can't seem to find more current statistics.
01-30-2011, 04:17 PM
Throw what stones you want but there would NOT be a Germany had the Allies decided to level it down to the last brick. The US with its mighty defense budget stopped that.
Surely as educated as you are you have heard of the Marshall Plan? It's easy for you to sit and to criticize from 4000 miles away. If you are so concerned about our debt, have your country repay the money spent enacting the reconstruction of your country. We could use it. Before interest in todays dollars, it's probably about $200 billion equivalent. Until that is settled, you can just remain quiet.
01-30-2011, 04:33 PM
01-31-2011, 12:37 AM
01-31-2011, 06:42 AM
01-31-2011, 07:52 AM
Whats funny is the Fox News / Tea Party crowd are the most active in dealing with the debt, by attempting to return the government to its original goals only, and returning social programs to the individual states, which is where it belongs.
01-31-2011, 11:23 AM
As I said earlier....the parties are so similar now, that it is hard to see anyone who is truly a leader with the best interests of the people
01-31-2011, 11:50 AM
In case you are wondering. Obama went back to the "more babies = more money" form of welfare.
01-31-2011, 11:52 AM
Slightly off-topic, but still vital imho - if you take a look at the very first family introduced (beginning a 1:46 min.) in this election message from 2008, would it be fair to call this family "white trash posing as middle class"?
YouTube - American Stories, American Solutions: 30 Minute Special
01-31-2011, 02:02 PM
02-01-2011, 11:57 AM
Bench - 355
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02-09-2011, 02:33 AM
In the US, the governments first job is to protect the people, not feed them.
We have the freedom to work or not work, buy new things or keep using our old things. one problem with the US is that the citizens who made their money here have stopped manufacturing here. We used to be a nation that manufactured things. Now we're just consumers. I live in my states capitol and the only jobs here are service related (delivery, hotels, retail) no engineering of the things that are being bought and delivered.
When the economy was good I bought a new car and most everything else I needed. Many other Americans did. When things got bad My stuff was already paid off so I was ok. The problem is that a lot of,not all, people did what I did and didn't need the "big ticket" items that are usually delivered, sold and bought.( washers, dryers, cars, tv' etc)That was it for most of the jobs in my area. Car dealers closed down and so on. The good news is that Ford built a nice plant in India, helping their economy. The problem here is that a lot of Americans and politicians think Europe is better for some reason and are trying to globalise everything. Socialism feels nice, but doesn't work. If it did THE world power wouldn't be the USA. If we keep leaning the way we have been and listen to the ideas of Europeans we'll be week like them. I don't think war is the only answer to things but when its the last resort, I'm glad my country has the big defense budget. Maybe we should stop protecting and helping other countries though-oh we would be bad Americans for doing that too!
Last edited by omni; 02-09-2011 at 02:36 AM. Reason: spelling
02-09-2011, 03:19 AM
Our OP seems to have abandoned his crusade. LOL....I still chuckle at the title. I guess stupid people that go around pushing buttons SHOULD be afraid of Americans.
02-09-2011, 08:42 AM
#1: Our governments ONLY job is to protect the STATES, not the people. It's job is to keep the states from fighting with each other, and to defend the nation from enemies, both foreign and domestic. The federal government is NEVER to get involved at the personal level.
#2: Employers that leave here to go overseas do so not because it is easier (it is not), but because it is more cost effective. Our government is inhibiting job growth and creation on many different levels, and has been for some time (although not to the extent that it is now). Businesses no longer know what their cost liabilities are going to look like, and as such, one can not expect them to hire a new employee. Then, add onto the cost liabilities the tax changes, and the 1099 provision in the Obamacare law that requires them to file a 1099 (Capital Gains) for every sale of $600.00 or more, it starts to get ridiculous. To give an idea, if Sony had to file a 1099 for every PS3 sold that was $600.00+, they would have filed 10.6 MILLION 1099's every year for the last 4.5 years. How much money and time would be wasted filing these provisions, not to mention paying capital gains tax, and not to mention having to hire new employees simply to PROCESS these 1099's. Sony can handle it, many other companies can not, and since they cannot afford to HIRE new employees, they will simply have to become less productive, reassign some employees to process the 1099's, and lay off a few workers (OR cut wages/hours) to make up the lost profits. OR, simply move your company to a country that actually WANTS you to be there employing people. See, our government just expects businesses to eat the loss, which will never happen, nor should it. Omni hit it right on the head, I just wanted to clarify that businesses are being demonized for doing what anybody else would do in their position. Oh, I am SO sure I am going to get wrecked for this, I just wanted to explain!
02-09-2011, 08:52 AM
Gordon Gecko "Greed is good"
This is the beauty of human nature...you always want more
02-09-2011, 10:01 AM
3. Wages (no unions strongarming companies into paying workers exorbitant wages, like my uncle making $50.00 an hour to install door panels at the Ford plant)
All 3 of these things are epidemics in America. Other countries are FIGHTING for our companies to hire THEIR workers, and we are pushing them away! It always comes down to this: If you want employers to hire in your area, you must give them an incentive to do so; they are not hiring agencies. Why shop at Albertson's if you can get the same products at 50% off at Wal-Mart (I know I am exagerating a little bit, but you get the idea). Hence why Wal-Mart (which coincidentally doesn't have labor unions, and is hiring in a recession) is doing so well. EVERYTHING in nature takes the path of least resistance, be it electricity, animals, water, etc. So again, to get employers to hire, you must create an economic environment that would allow a business to justify doing so (lower taxes/penalties, less paperwork requirements, FAIR wages). That WILL bring employers back to the states, but not until then! Hell, we bailed out Chrysler, and they are building the Challenger engines in Mexico and the bodies is Canada. The only time any part of the Challenger is in America is when it is passing through!
02-09-2011, 10:09 AM
02-09-2011, 10:15 AM
02-09-2011, 10:16 AM
02-09-2011, 10:52 AM
Would you sacrifice your profits and risk losing your business by basing your company in a hostile economic environment, and still have to deal with the protests on your front lawn, death threats simply for being successful, etc., simply because those same people say it's wrong to leave the country? As soon as people start threatening companies for making "too much money", that bar will get lower and lower as time goes on, until everyone is poor (because as an employer, you will close shop when it is no longer profitable to own your business, thus firing all of your employees). What may seem like a small adjustment to us becomes a very large adjustment for them, as they have tax documents, accounting (cost/profit ratio), and many other factors that go into simply hiring one person and figuring out how much they can afford to pay them.
Lets examine government jobs. Do they count? Nope! Their employees salaries are paid by taxpayers. Lets say there was only one private company left. Those employees would be paying the salaries of every government employee (any time the word government comes up, simply replace the word "government" with "taxpayer/taxpaying"). It just wouldn't work. As such, every time our government hires more people, takes over a business, bails out a company, or takes over an entire SECTOR of our economy, they are simply shifting more burden onto the remaining taxpayers. That is why expanding our government will only lead to socialism, because once the government gets too big (especially with the help of public labor unions), the private sector will no longer be able to shoulder the tax burden required to pay all of those people. Thus, private sector employees will either get a job with the government, or go on welfare, as it will no longer be worthwhile to work (path of least resistance). That spells the end of capitalism. And before you say that's crazy, in the last 3 years, government has expanded to owning 2/3 of the auto industry, the vast majority of the banking industry (Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac home mortgages), a very large part of the defense industry, and soon health care (and I know president Bush started it, lets not get into that type of discussion). And lets not forget about the TSA! And it is only getting bigger! That is a HUGE chunk of the private sector now working for the government, getting paid by the taxpayers. And then people have the balls to threaten the successful private employers, when they are already shouldering a HUGE amount of the debt of the United States! It is so frustrating seeing people blame the employers for their lack of employment, rather than the real culprit, our government.
02-14-2011, 04:48 PM
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