I'm afraid of Americans

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  1. We have FREEDOM in this country. Freedom to be as wealthy as you are willing to work to become. Plain and simple. If you don't like your job (not enough benefits, not enough pay, etc.), find another one. And, before you say anything, it really is that easy; People just take the easy way out and get gubermant assistance. Look at people in the projects/ghettos (you should be familiar with that word). Ask them when the last time they even FILED an income tax return was. I'll bet 90% say the've never had a job in their LIFE (I spent a LOT of time in the projects, I should know)! What happens is, a person's on welfare, then they have 10 kids, and WE THE PEOPLE support those kids until they're 18 (medical/housing/spending money/etc.), and then THEY get on welfare, and now THEY have 10 kids EACH, and WE THE PEOPLE support them too (isn't socialism wonderful). AND, IF they do happen to be employed, they get MASSIVE deductions from their income tax for each child (which WE'RE paying for anyways), so that's just extra "Obama-money" in their pockets (that's right, there is a way to file a tax return, and get ALL your money back PLUS some). Why the **** should someone that EARNED their money actually be forced to lower their quality of life so leaches like them can live BETTER? I say send them to Germany where they're welcome, and America will be better off. Then, we won't have to spend ourselves into oblivion anymore...you can! Oh, and you can have ALL the problems that come with them! It's only FAIR right, after all, you're criticizing OUR economic practices right!?! So, if yours is so great, I'm glad you stated you'd be happy to support their lazy asses. Just remember, it means YOU will live worse, not better. Like they always say, socialism is great until you run out of other people's money, and now it's your turn.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by HondaV65 View Post
    LOL ... there is no "poverty" in the USA. Please don't take everything the socialist European media says as truth - it isn't.

    Fact is ... we have TRUE poverty in about one location in the US - the Appalachians. These people choose to live this way - as the government has spent MILLIONS over the years on education and welfare programs there. It hasn't helped. The young Appalachians that are smart and ambitious grow up and move away - the rest remain. These are mostly white people by the way - hillbillies pretty much.

    No person is in "poverty" who owns a cellphone - and, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone in the US (outside the Appalachians) who doesn't own a cell phone and a contract that includes texting. Sorry - but if you have enough money to own a cell phone - you're not in poverty. You want to see "poverty" - see Ethiopia.

    One thing I will say though - our defense budget is too big because we defend Europe from Russia and China. Personally - I don't care much for Europe anymore - kind of look at most of them as spoiled brats who believe that freedom is free and doesn't require sacrifice.

    Leave them to the Russians I say.

    EDIT: And as far as European Socialism being a success - we can see, virtually everywhere in Europe - that governments are collapsing under the weight of their own welfare programs. I've traveled in Europe extensively and it is no paradise. EVERYTHING costs more money there than it does in the US due to the taxes. I was charged half a kroner in Norway just to buy a bag to put my groceries in. That doesn't happen in the US.

    And the Nanny States of Europe are out of control. You don't have the quality of individual liberty in Europe that you have in the US - not by any stretch of the imagination. Farting is practically illegal in Europe. In Norway - there are only certain days of the week and hours where you can buy booze - and it's damned expensive. Forget owning a firearm of your choosing - or a car of your choosing.

    I've been thinking - WHERE IN THE WORLD CAN I GO WHEN THE US GOES FULL SOCIALIST?

    And the answer is ... NO WHERE ... there's no where you can go to enjoy the kind of freedom we now enjoy in the US. And that sad - because we are starting to give up our own freedoms here because, like Europe - we have a lot of spoiled brats who want things handed to them.
    Dude, if I could rep you again, I would (it won't let me)! But, you were wrong about the grocery bag thing. Here in Los Angeles, we just passed a law outlawing plastic bags, and fines for paper bags. You have to buy those green, re-usable bags and bring them with you to the grocery store, or you pay extra. That law hasn't taken effect yet, but it will shortly. Other than that, you were absolutely right. Hell, I'd probably join the Air Force again to assist Russia in taking over these Europeans, just because I am SO tired of hearing them whine, when almost EVERY country over there has the same economic policies as they do, and yet, many are rioting, and a few have collapsed. And yet, they look to US like WE are the ones doing wrong!
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  3. Hey Diablosho, you are right - here in the US we are also doing crazy things. We've got "green" dishwashing detergent that doesn't clean dishes. We replaced incandescent lightbulbs with ones that have hazardous MERCURY in them (they're greener! LOL) ... all kinds of crazy stuff going on here.

    But ... here's the thing - no one has any money anymore to afford these expensive and useless programs. US is out of money. No matter how much people wish for more of these "nanny" type things - we won't be able to pay for them - so the gravy train for uselessness runs out soon.

    That's the good news.

    You know - I think we should have more liberty here in the US. Drugs should be legal - and steroids. People should be responsible for themselves.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post

    The title of this thread does make me chuckle. Coming from the country that gassed how many?
    You are capable of a rebuttal far more intelligent than using the Holocaust as an argumentative ploy.



  5. No wonder our federal tax just went up



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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    You are capable of a rebuttal far more intelligent than using the Holocaust as an argumentative ploy.
    Actually, I think DAdams' statement was pretty accurate. If you were to be afraid of any country, wouldn't you be more afraid of a country that commited those attrocities relatively recently (Germany) than a country that allows people to live in poverty if they were comfortable with doing so (US)? And, the holocaust was started roughly 1941-1945 (about 65-70 years ago), so it's also likely that the anti-semitic sentiments and pro-nazi sentiments still remain throughout Germany, as they were passed down from other nazi's. Hell, my grandmother is German, and she has a copy of Mein Kampf in her basement. She scares the HELL out of me!

  7. Quote Originally Posted by diablosho View Post
    Actually, I think DAdams' statement was pretty accurate. If you were to be afraid of any country, wouldn't you be more afraid of a country that commited those attrocities relatively recently (Germany) than a country that allows people to live in poverty if they were comfortable with doing so (US)? And, the holocaust was started roughly 1941-1945 (about 65-70 years ago), so it's also likely that the anti-semitic sentiments and pro-nazi sentiments still remain throughout Germany, as they were passed down from other nazi's. Hell, my grandmother is German, and she has a copy of Mein Kampf in her basement. She scares the HELL out of me!
    The Holocaust is pertinent to the United States' debt load? Interesting position.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    The Holocaust is pertinent to the United States' debt load? Interesting position.
    No, but it is pertinent to the "fear" that the original poster mentioned in the original post. It was just a broad comparison of fear in general, not necessarily limited to economic fear (as I'm not so sure ANY of this thread had anything to do with the O.P.s fear of the United States economy, especially considering his mention of how we defend ourselves, and how much we spend to do it (which is not enough in my opinion after recently separating from the military)). I really don't think his argument was meant to be as black-and-white as you're taking it. And, notice, the original subject line is "I'm afraid of Americans" which is the "fear" that DAdams was addressing when he mentioned "The title of this thread does make me chuckle. Coming from the country that gassed how many?"

    I also think you are being pretty unfair to DAdams by taking his post out of context. I think it's pretty clear what he meant. I don't know, it just seems you are being very condescending (in the way a father speaks to his young son to instill his moral values), but I hope I'm wrong.

  9. This is not a country issue. This is a mankind issue. It's time to look inside and not outside for the real problem! Only morality in our actions can give beauty and dignity to life.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by diablosho View Post
    No, but it is pertinent to the "fear" that the original poster mentioned in the original post. It was just a broad comparison of fear in general, not necessarily limited to economic fear (as I'm not so sure ANY of this thread had anything to do with the O.P.s fear of the United States economy, especially considering his mention of how we defend ourselves, and how much we spend to do it (which is not enough in my opinion after recently separating from the military)). I really don't think his argument was meant to be as black-and-white as you're taking it. And, notice, the original subject line is "I'm afraid of Americans" which is the "fear" that DAdams was addressing when he mentioned "The title of this thread does make me chuckle. Coming from the country that gassed how many?"

    I also think you are being pretty unfair to DAdams by taking his post out of context. I think it's pretty clear what he meant. I don't know, it just seems you are being very condescending (in the way a father speaks to his young son to instill his moral values), but I hope I'm wrong.
    You are reaching, on both accounts. Particularly the former.

    On the latter, DA is well-read politically and economically, and fully capable of defending the merits of classically-liberal financial and fiscal policy without resorting to a rebuttal of that flavor.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    You are reaching, on both accounts. Particularly the former.

    On the latter, DA is well-read politically and economically, and fully capable of defending the merits of classically-liberal financial and fiscal policy without resorting to a rebuttal of that flavor.
    Care to expand on the "reaching" statement. I figured it was pretty straightforward, especially after my last few sentences. What is reaching about saying, "The title of this thread ("I'm afraid of Americans") does make me chuckle. Coming from the country that gassed how many?" I don't see that as a far stretch. ALL he is saying is that the TITLE is funny, because it's like the pot calling the kettle black. Either way, we're going to have to agree to disagree. I tried to defend him (because I agree with his statement), but I guess I'm just not coming across correctly. Oh, and one more thing, rebuttals taste nasty!

  12. Quote Originally Posted by SpargelJanusz View Post
    Writing as a German from Germany, I begin to wonder "What is goin' wrong in the US of A"? after reading the newest paydays of hedgefund billionaires and that the defense budget of the U.S.A. is larger than the world's rest combined .... at the same time, record numbers of Americans are dependant on food banks.

    Why is the world's richest country so brutally inequal that not being able to make ends meet means going to bed hungry?
    With regards to the defense budget and poverty, you have to take either a short term view, or a long term view. To lower defense spending and feed the masses today, does just that. It feeds the masses today. It doesn't however feed them tomorrow.

    You can look at how many advances in science came about due to defense spending. Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency is the lifeblood of tomorrow's innovation, innovation that will continue to help and aid our citizens, not just feed them for a day.

    Some inventions of DARPA:
    Internet
    GPS
    Speech Translation
    Robotic Cars
    Many more.

  13. Im afraid that the USA is following in the exact foot steps of the Roman Empire. The Roman Empire failed because of immigrants that refused to assimilate. Look at this country. Not only do we have immigrants that refuse to assimilate, we pay them to not assimilate, we force others to have to learn thier language, or at least be hassled by having to press #3 for English, we sacrifice our own history and traditions in the name of others religions. We will fall harder then Rome ever did. This country has stemmed so far from its roots that it is sickening. The only people who aren't struggling right now are welfare recepients and millionaires.

  14. Let's not get into detail over what fear stands for exactly and who shall fear whom. The title of this thread might as well have been "Will the United states of debt get its act together or will Fox News / Tea Party activists continue to dumb the country down"?

    News from the racket's inside: http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2011/...ng-at-goldman/

  15. Quote Originally Posted by SpargelJanusz View Post
    Let's not get into detail over what fear stands for exactly and who shall fear whom. The title of this thread might as well have been "Will the United states of debt get its act together or will Fox News / Tea Party activists continue to dumb the country down"?

    News from the racket's inside: http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2011/...ng-at-goldman/
    And here we go! I knew this was going to turn into a Fox News bashing session. You do realize that as of 2010, Germany's public debt (by % GDP) was 74.8% (#22 country in the world, with #1 being Zimbabwe at 241.60%), while the USA is #36 @ 58.90%, right. So, while I do agree that the United States of America has FAR too much debt, you sir FAR outweigh us, by a percentage of GDP. MEANING, Germany owes 74.8% of it's yearly income. We owe 58.90% of our yearly income. That's a 15.9% difference between our 2 countries.
    Oh, and here's my source (CIA): https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2186rank.html
    Now, granted, it's from 2010, but I can't seem to find more current statistics.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by SpargelJanusz View Post
    Let's not get into detail over what fear stands for exactly and who shall fear whom. The title of this thread might as well have been "Will the United states of debt get its act together or will Fox News / Tea Party activists continue to dumb the country down
    I would have guessed your age closer to 23 than your listed 33 based on statements like this.

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    I can see you are being spoon fed info by CNN, aka Communist News Network. This explains a lot.

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    But no reason to become personal.
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    What's more to this? I think I detected what I like to call "american retardedness",[/URL]
    Don't whine about it becoming personal after this statement above. You earned it. You are baiting people here so stop being a little b1tch about it when they react. I like my country so EFF off if you don't.

    Throw what stones you want but there would NOT be a Germany had the Allies decided to level it down to the last brick. The US with its mighty defense budget stopped that.

    Surely as educated as you are you have heard of the Marshall Plan? It's easy for you to sit and to criticize from 4000 miles away. If you are so concerned about our debt, have your country repay the money spent enacting the reconstruction of your country. We could use it. Before interest in todays dollars, it's probably about $200 billion equivalent. Until that is settled, you can just remain quiet.

    Quote Originally Posted by SpargelJanusz View Post
    I just don't get it
    That is the most honest and true statement you have made in this entire thread.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by SpargelJanusz View Post
    I tend to agree with AE14 - it looks as if America has become a gigantic racket in which it is all about "How can I fill up my pockets on the back of those who are not as smart / influential / unscrupolous as I am".
    FYI, you are describing human kind since the Cro Magnon days at the very least. These just also happen to be some of the lovely traits that cause communism/socialism to fail. You should get out and interact with people more instead of watching so much television.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by SpargelJanusz View Post
    Let's not get into detail over what fear stands for exactly and who shall fear whom. The title of this thread might as well have been "Will the United states of debt get its act together or will Fox News / Tea Party activists continue to dumb the country down"?

    News from the racket's inside: http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2011/...ng-at-goldman/
    Why are you so afraid of our debt? Its no like we're exporting inflation to Germany! other central bankers are not afraid of our debt in fact they like it and keep buying it by the Billion$ all the time. Part of the reason the US has such massive debt its b/c we can, US treasury backed paper is the safest investment out there thats why we keep issuing more paper

  19. Quote Originally Posted by specmike View Post
    FYI, you are describing human kind since the Cro Magnon days at the very least. These just also happen to be some of the lovely traits that cause communism/socialism to fail. You should get out and interact with people more instead of watching so much television.
    I dont think this is what causes communism/socialism to fail. They are destined to fail regardless. However, all other empirical governments are destined to fail. That is human nature. We as a species(regardless of economic affiliation) are too damn greedy, and want to continue our "policies" growth. That always spells the end, as we cant grow indefinitely.
    Mr. Supps Board Rep

  20. Quote Originally Posted by SpargelJanusz View Post
    Let's not get into detail over what fear stands for exactly and who shall fear whom. The title of this thread might as well have been "Will the United states of debt get its act together or will Fox News / Tea Party activists continue to dumb the country down"?

    News from the racket's inside: http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2011/...ng-at-goldman/
    I wonder when europe will stop trying to contine to live in a feudal society, just having shifted to calling it socialism instead. The people on the dole and even most of europes working class are just serfs, no different than hundreds of years ago, when the brightest and best began leaving for America, a land of opportunity - not a land of a guaranteed meal. Perhaps you would gain some value by reading the US constitution. The federal government is charged with, and only authorized to perform 2 tasks - protect the borders of the country, and regulate interstate commerce. Everything in the bill of rights initially was rights AGAINST government involvment. There is no right to a free meal, free housing, free medical care. There is only right against government encroachment in your life. I can see how someone coming from a monarchy, or dictatorship based country sees this as hard to understand.

    Whats funny is the Fox News / Tea Party crowd are the most active in dealing with the debt, by attempting to return the government to its original goals only, and returning social programs to the individual states, which is where it belongs.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    I wonder when europe will stop trying to contine to live in a feudal society, just having shifted to calling it socialism instead. The people on the dole and even most of europes working class are just serfs, no different than hundreds of years ago, when the brightest and best began leaving for America, a land of opportunity - not a land of a guaranteed meal. Perhaps you would gain some value by reading the US constitution. The federal government is charged with, and only authorized to perform 2 tasks - protect the borders of the country, and regulate interstate commerce. Everything in the bill of rights initially was rights AGAINST government involvment. There is no right to a free meal, free housing, free medical care. There is only right against government encroachment in your life. I can see how someone coming from a monarchy, or dictatorship based country sees this as hard to understand.
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    agreed 100%. The only problem is that politicians have gone so far away from this it is frightening. Regardless of party, they are all wolves in sheeps clothing...all of which is an attempt to be more involved.

    As I said earlier....the parties are so similar now, that it is hard to see anyone who is truly a leader with the best interests of the people
    Mr. Supps Board Rep

  22. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    I wonder when europe will stop trying to contine to live in a feudal society, just having shifted to calling it socialism instead. The people on the dole and even most of europes working class are just serfs, no different than hundreds of years ago, when the brightest and best began leaving for America, a land of opportunity - not a land of a guaranteed meal. Perhaps you would gain some value by reading the US constitution. The federal government is charged with, and only authorized to perform 2 tasks - protect the borders of the country, and regulate interstate commerce. Everything in the bill of rights initially was rights AGAINST government involvment. There is no right to a free meal, free housing, free medical care. There is only right against government encroachment in your life. I can see how someone coming from a monarchy, or dictatorship based country sees this as hard to understand.

    Whats funny is the Fox News / Tea Party crowd are the most active in dealing with the debt, by attempting to return the government to its original goals only, and returning social programs to the individual states, which is where it belongs.
    Tell that to Obama who repealed what little welfare reform the liberal god Clinton put into effect. This country is being eaten alive by the dole seekers, yet no one will fix it because they will be called "racist".

    In case you are wondering. Obama went back to the "more babies = more money" form of welfare.

  23. Slightly off-topic, but still vital imho - if you take a look at the very first family introduced (beginning a 1:46 min.) in this election message from 2008, would it be fair to call this family "white trash posing as middle class"?

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  24. Quote Originally Posted by SpargelJanusz View Post
    Slightly off-topic, but still vital imho - if you take a look at the very first family introduced (beginning a 1:46 min.) in this election message from 2008, would it be fair to call this family "white trash posing as middle class"?

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    IT wouldn't be fair or logical for you to call them anything.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by SpargelJanusz View Post
    Slightly off-topic, but still vital imho - if you take a look at the very first family introduced (beginning a 1:46 min.) in this election message from 2008, would it be fair to call this family "white trash posing as middle class"?

    YouTube - American Stories, American Solutions: 30 Minute Special


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