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    I don't think the republican party is racist per se. Their policies just don't translate well into socio-economic terms. Which does come off as racist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knowbull View Post
    Fortunately you have no idea what its like to be homeless, or work 40 hrs a week to take home $200 bucks on pay day. The people you feel you "support" are living on next to nothing, in squalid, almost third world conditions. These people grow up anticipating that; they will be accused of a crime they didnt commit, that they will do hard narcotics, that they will go to prison, that they will not get a good education or job. Hardly motivating factors to exceed in any type of upwardly mobile endeavors. I want you to know how lucky you really are and I wish you well. Good day!
    Alright, first of all, I grew up in the projects. Which is why I was selling to the projects. Second of all, are you implying I've never held a minimum wage job? Because I have. And you wanna talk work, how about deploying to a warzone, and working 90 hours a week, in a 125 degree sandstorm, fixing aircraft on a flightline. It's called life son, people need to get used to it. Good education=good job, and the education part is up to them. The problem is they have no ROLE MODELS. You know, people with jobs, loving parents, etc. etc. Say thank you government. "Thanks Gubmant! Now where's my check?" They usually do end up dead, in prison, or doing drugs. You wanna know why? There are two ways to succeed in life. Right or wrong. Get an education (at least graduate high school) and a job for a living, join a gang and sell drugs for a living, or be a junkie living on welfare. I've was born in Phoenix with 5 people (sometimes 6) in a 2 room home. Guess what! I'm doing MUCH better, because I took some initiative. The military is ALWAYS hiring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by diablosho View Post
    Which "pre-suppositions" and "accusations" are you referring to? Funny you mention being courteous and compassionate with others, and then say Republicans are like Hitler and want to kill everybody that doesn't agree with them! And, the only people oppressing ANYBODY are liberals with tax rates. When you make it more lucrative to sit at home and do nothing, people will do that. When you target minorities for that "privelege", you are now making minorities dependent on the government (selectively), meaning they will never achieve the American dream. And all for an extra vote. Short of murder, I can't think of a worse kind of hate.
    You have absolutely no concept of what you're talking about. You have twisted everything I said out of context and missed whatever points Im trying to communicate to you. I hope you feel better soon, and Good day!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2k1s View Post
    I don't think the republican party is racist per se. Their policies just don't translate well into socio-economic terms. Which does come off as racist.
    I agree that our values don't translate well into socio-economic terms, but that's only because our government has gotten people so addicted to government handouts, that if/when those handouts cease, they will have NO idea how to survive on their own. That's only racist if you believe that only minorities would be affected. On the contrary, only poor minorities are allowed assistance for the most part, thus, all the attention. Hell, illegal immigrants can get medical and tuition assistance! Thanks taxpayers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by diablosho View Post
    Alright, first of all, I grew up in the projects. Which is why I was selling to the projects. Second of all, are you implying I've never held a minimum wage job? Because I have. And you wanna talk work, how about deploying to a warzone, and working 90 hours a week, in a 125 degree sandstorm, fixing aircraft on a flightline. It's called life son, people need to get used to it. Good education=good job, and the education part is up to them. The problem is they have no ROLE MODELS. You know, people with jobs, loving parents, etc. etc. Say thank you government. "Thanks Gubmant! Now where's my check?" They usually do end up dead, in prison, or doing drugs. You wanna know why? There are two ways to succeed in life. Right or wrong. Get an education (at least graduate high school) and a job for a living, join a gang and sell drugs for a living, or be a junkie living on welfare. I've was born in Phoenix with 5 people (sometimes 6) in a 2 room home. Guess what! I'm doing MUCH better, because I took some initiative. The military is ALWAYS hiring.
    Thanks for serving and verifying that you have been indoctrinated and trained in menticide. I recognise your anger and hostil;ity. I need to tell you then, it wears off and you will return to normal. Think about it now as you are typing.
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    I can honestly say that is the first time I've seen the word menticide. I guess it's true, you do learn something new everyday. Too bad that was it.
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    God dammit I need to stop posting in politics threads
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    ^Just wanted to re stress this point as a reminder to myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    ^Just wanted to re stress this point as a reminder to myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by diablosho View Post
    I agree that our values don't translate well into socio-economic terms, but that's only because our government has gotten people so addicted to government handouts, that if/when those handouts cease, they will have NO idea how to survive on their own. That's only racist if you believe that only minorities would be affected. On the contrary, only poor minorities are allowed assistance for the most part, thus, all the attention. Hell, illegal immigrants can get medical and tuition assistance! Thanks taxpayers!
    I hate the term illegal immigrant. its not like they robbed a bank. they came to a country looking for opportunity, and if they had more money they would be trying to do it legally. I have a japanese grandmother that came to the states to live with my parents after my grandpa died. I think my parents spent an exorbitant amount of money paying lawyers to expedite the process, and even that took 6 months.

    If you analyze wealth in this country, an overwhelming amount of it is concentrated in white people. I don't have a solution to the problem. I do think making the divide between the poor and rich is a problem that needs to be fixed. The only conservative thought I have economically is that social security is stupid and they need to find a way to get rid of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2k1s View Post
    I hate the term illegal immigrant. its not like they robbed a bank. they came to a country looking for opportunity, and if they had more money they would be trying to do it legally. I have a japanese grandmother that came to the states to live with my parents after my grandpa died. I think my parents spent an exorbitant amount of money paying lawyers to expedite the process, and even that took 6 months.

    If you analyze wealth in this country, an overwhelming amount of it is concentrated in white people. I don't have a solution to the problem. I do think making the divide between the poor and rich is a problem that needs to be fixed. The only conservative thought I have economically is that social security is stupid and they need to find a way to get rid of it.
    I still don't understand why Americans are so caught up with how much money someone else has! If you want more money, GET IT! That's always been what's great about this country; the only person saying you can't is yourself! And the reason they're called illegal immigrants is because they are here ILLEGALLY! I ordinarily wouldn't care, except that by them coming here legally, they are documented, thus ensuring terrorists/axe murderers/gang members/militias are not allowed entrance. Gotta watch those axe murderers, ya know!!! But seriously, since they are not legal, they don't pay any taxes, but yet they are a HUGE burden on the system (seriously, go to an E.R. and tell me how many potential illegals you see). The problem is, they go to the E.R. for ear aches (because the docs have to treat them at the E.R.), and then they don't pay their bill.... WE do when WE go to the E.R. for serious problems (after waiting in line for hours behind the guys with the ear aches).
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    Quote Originally Posted by diablosho View Post
    I can honestly say that is the first time I've seen the word menticide. I guess it's true, you do learn something new everyday. Too bad that was it.
    I would like you to know, then, that you are probably, now, at the limit of what you can learn. Because, once you assume the rigidity of absolute conservatism, it limits the scope of intellect. Hopefully thinking kindly, and being compassionate towards others will restore your mind/soul.
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    Alright, I'll go with that. Care to elaborate? That's a pretty generic rebuttal there! Specifically, how is the "rigidity of absolute conservatism" (which is weird because I think if I had to worry about political correctness all the time, that would be more "rigid", but I digress) in any way a limit on intellect. My father works for Lockheed Martin as an Electrical Engineer (Bachelor's degree), my brother is an Electrical Technician for Rite-Aid (Associate's degree), my mother is an Accountant (Bachelor's degree), and I'm working towards a Bachelor's degree in Computer Programming, and yet, we're ALL conservatives! I'd say we're pretty intellectual. You really need to stop making blanket statements, they're really making you look stupid. Oh, by the way, this is where you type up a response, pull out a thesaurus, and swap a couple words with bigger words to make you seem like the GENIUS you think you are. I sincerely hope the next response you give has something (ANYTHING) substantive in it that actually makes someone think, because these "hopefully thinking kindly" comments aren't really saying a whole lot, and your time would probably be better off masturbating. God knows mine would.
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    Evidently, I really found a scotoma, (blind spot) in your model of reality. Bruised, fragile ego's are quick to identify and attack any intrusion into its damaged integrity. It doesnt take a genius to deduce that, some one with your IQ could. Let the healing feeling begin....
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    How does something intrude into a damaged integrity? I wasn't aware the word "integrity" could be used in that grammatical fashion. I suppose I'm going to have to just accept that I am not as educated as you are. Either way, it has become apparent that this conversation is HOPELESSLY beyond salvation, so I am going to have to exit now. Good talking to ya.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knowbull View Post
    Did you read about the beating of a disabled, lesbian woman at a recent "Tea party" gathering? She was assaulted, then stomped by religious right party members for demonstrating against them.
    I will admit I have no idea what you are talking about. Links to the story please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    True republicans are not against marijuana legalization. I havn't spoken to one that is against it that doesnt come off as a wingnut. The reason is the amount of money politicians receive from the alcohol industry, tobacco industry, big pharma, etc.. and the republicans paranoia with pissing off the church.
    HAHAHA-THE REPUBLICANS ARE PRO-BUSINESS. they are afraid legal pot will lower productivity in the work place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    HAHAHA-THE REPUBLICANS ARE PRO-BUSINESS. they are afraid legal pot will lower productivity in the work place.
    Then they should be anti-medication as well. I can name quite a few medications that are Rx'd quite frequently that would significantly effect work performance.

    I would bring up that they should be against alcohol as well, but most anti-legalization types quickly counter with how easy it is to detect alcohol as compared to pot. Quite frankly, this is a boring counter argument. If someone is high enough that they effect performance, you can usually tell they are high, along with smell, and pupil dillation/red-eyes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    Then they should be anti-medication as well. I can name quite a few medications that are Rx'd quite frequently that would significantly effect work performance.

    I would bring up that they should be against alcohol as well, but most anti-legalization types quickly counter with how easy it is to detect alcohol as compared to pot. Quite frankly, this is a boring counter argument. If someone is high enough that they effect performance, you can usually tell they are high, along with smell, and pupil dillation/red-eyes.
    but- if they are high there is no test to tell how long it's been since they lit up.

    c'mon, hts you really think big money republicans want another drug added to the list. look at how hard they test for drug/alcohol use. they think the american worker is not worth their pay already, legalizing pot would just give them another reason to ship our jobs away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    Then they should be anti-medication as well. I can name quite a few medications that are Rx'd quite frequently that would significantly effect work performance.

    I would bring up that they should be against alcohol as well, but most anti-legalization types quickly counter with how easy it is to detect alcohol as compared to pot. Quite frankly, this is a boring counter argument. If someone is high enough that they effect performance, you can usually tell they are high, along with smell, and pupil dillation/red-eyes.
    And blisters on the underside of the tongue, according the cop that gave me my DUI. That's what made here arrest me (and a broken taillight). I'll NEVER DUI again, I'll tell you that much (I was 19 then, and I'll be 25 next month, and life STILL isn't back to normal yet)!
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    but- if they are high there is no test to tell how long it's been since they lit up.

    c'mon, hts you really think big money republicans want another drug added to the list. look at how hard they test for drug/alcohol use. they think the american worker is not worth their pay already, legalizing pot would just give them another reason to ship our jobs away.
    I understand the concern they have, i disagree with the legitimacy of it. I also don't allow corporations to decide my rights based on their interests, unfortunately that is our country, One Nation, Under Corporations. Honestly, with the demand that would arrise, a method of instantly testing peak concentrations of THC in blood would quickly be developed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    I understand the concern they have, i disagree with the legitimacy of it. I also don't allow corporations to decide my rights based on their interests, unfortunately that is our country, One Nation, Under Corporations. Honestly, with the demand that would arrise, a method of instantly testing peak concentrations of THC in blood would quickly be developed.
    for business's the name of the game is control-the more they lose control the more tempted they are to export jobs to places where they set the rules.


    those who control the jobs, make the rules.


    hey, i don't like it either. it really sucks. i remember when everyone used to bitch about their job-now all i hear is [be glad you have a job]. company's are getting away with murder, because the government is afraid if they don't give business their way they will pack up and leave.


    to me there are much bigger things at play here than f'ing pot. the multi national i work for has just started a policy of hiring temps, they don't have to give them benefits-plus there are no limitations or restrictions on how long they can keep them temp. my union is having a cow over this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    for business's the name of the game is control-the more they lose control the more tempted they are to export jobs to places where they set the rules.


    those who control the jobs, make the rules.


    hey, i don't like it either. it really sucks. i remember when everyone used to bitch about their job-now all i hear is [be glad you have a job]. company's are getting away with murder, because the government is afraid if they don't give business their way they will pack up and leave.


    to me there are much bigger things at play here than f'ing pot. the multi national i work for has just started a policy of hiring temps, they don't have to give them benefits-plus there are no limitations or restrictions on how long they can keep them temp. my union is having a cow over this.
    Well see, I don't want to swing this back to politics since we have been talking generally, but that is one of the things that bothers me about the republican party. It is a party for the blue collar folk, the true Americans, the plumber joes. Yet, it is a party that continually strives for less and less regulation, allowing these corporations to run wild. Yet a significant number of blue collar Americans still vote red every four years. Look I don't think Democrats are perfect, I hate them too, just not as much as the republicans (and I am speaking about politicians, I don't hate any of you for your views). I do agree it is more than weed, hell it is more than the work force, it is the common denominator that corporations throw money at politicians, and in turn the politicians fight for corporate rights, even at the expense of the people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    Well see, I don't want to swing this back to politics since we have been talking generally, but that is one of the things that bothers me about the republican party. It is a party for the blue collar folk, the true Americans, the plumber joes. Yet, it is a party that continually strives for less and less regulation, allowing these corporations to run wild. Yet a significant number of blue collar Americans still vote red every four years. Look I don't think Democrats are perfect, I hate them too, just not as much as the republicans (and I am speaking about politicians, I don't hate any of you for your views). I do agree it is more than weed, hell it is more than the work force, it is the common denominator that corporations throw money at politicians, and in turn the politicians fight for corporate rights, even at the expense of the people.

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    damn, i really think we are on the same page. i used to be a die hard republican for their stance on social issues. but now it appears they are really out to get the working man. it has become obvious [to me anyways] that the republican party is out to screw the little guy in favor of the rich. how the hell a working man can vote republican is a real mystery to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    damn, i really think we are on the same page. i used to be a die hard republican for their stance on social issues. but now it appears they are really out to get the working man. it has become obvious [to me anyways] that the republican party is out to screw the little guy in favor of the rich. how the hell a working man can vote republican is a real mystery to me.
    We definitely are on the same page. There are many things that a "true" republican stands for that I can side with, but to think the party is what it projects itself as, makes you want to turn a page on the book...
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