- 11-03-2010, 11:19 AM
We were so close. RIP Prop 19.
- 11-03-2010, 11:31 AM
Why do Californians vote conservatively on issues like Prop 8 and now Prop 19, yet still elect nutjobs to run their state into the ground? I just don't understand the logic. You have some of the highest tax rates in the country because of the people that have been running the state. And don't cry about the Governator doing it also, he's a progressive in sheeps clothing.
11-03-2010, 12:01 PM
Ostensibily, it was good it didnt pass, for those that have medical cards across the country. It might have screwed things up for MM users. On the other hand, not passing it didnt hurt anyone, per se, most conscientious LEO know that pot is everywhere and that small busts, and busts of MM users are expensively futile. If there is just as much pot around now as there was 30 yrs ago, and I think there is, its here to stay. Prohibition costs big money for everyone involved. Its a crime of conflict, not consensus.
11-04-2010, 12:02 AM
11-04-2010, 12:52 AM
I think it's as legal as it needs to be, currently it's readily available( there 5 despeneries within 7 mi of my house) and le could care less so long as you got your 215, we didn't really lose much by it not passing.
11-04-2010, 01:43 AM
Gotta say though, with my chosen sobriety I would go nuts if it was made legal or have to move outta state.... cant handle smelling it everywhere already as it is.
11-04-2010, 01:50 AM
11-04-2010, 02:26 AM
11-04-2010, 03:15 AM
11-04-2010, 03:25 AM
F*** I can't believe it didn't go through...
Poor Unreal, the guy lives there and was looking forward to it lol. I knew I wouldn't be in Cali regardless so didn't care much. Here in AZ they are just now trying to get medical marijuana in.
You get f***ed for prices either way. Medical marijuana is expensive, drug dealers nowadays jack up the price of sh*t. When I lived in Canada the best f***ing weed money could buy for 5$ a G. The BEST chron...5$... a G. Plentiful, no one ever ran dry. AZ sucks d*ck.
11-04-2010, 03:35 AM
.... Given I don't smoke anymore I prefer not to discuss it.... But honestly dispenseries in ca really have everything you can find anywhere else for cheap as hell during sales... And treats, like a fruity pebbles krispy treat that would have you floored for an entire day, if you can even stay awake...
Anyways prob shouldnt discuss this stuff on the boards as its against the rules to get that deep into it...
11-04-2010, 10:33 AM
Trust me, I didn't vote yes with the hopes of it not passing. There's still plenty of folk who believe its a "gate way" drug or that its dangerous or they bought into the propaganda that their doctors would show up high to work to perform surgery on them or police and firefighters could come to work high.
11-04-2010, 11:12 AM
11-04-2010, 01:52 PM
I guess California hates taxes. All that extra money towards education, environment, roads, etc.
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11-04-2010, 04:03 PM
My county voted yes on 19 in an almost 2:1 ratio, but I guess most other counties are populated by retards
But whatever, I'll keep smoking weed, same as before, and the laws be damned. It's a pretty low priority anyway, cops have better things to do than **** with people just trying to chill and eat snack food.
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11-04-2010, 05:13 PM
They just said this morning that they will try to tax medi-marij which will raise the price up 3-4 bucks a pop.
There was a wealthy guy I think here in CA that dumped a million into supporting prop 19 at the very last minute to help get the word out, but every morning on the radio I only heard the negative ads. They were saying my doctor could come to work high if it passed. I think he already does:P
11-04-2010, 05:18 PM
11-04-2010, 05:20 PM
11-04-2010, 05:21 PM
11-04-2010, 05:26 PM
Well the thing about the 3-4$ tax on pot is they now want it both ways. You can't tax medication (correct me if Im wrong).
11-04-2010, 05:29 PM
11-04-2010, 06:17 PM
11-04-2010, 06:21 PM
Until they make it fully legal our until you purchase a card (really any doctor that puts out business cards for it will give you one, ailments or not) I would definitely watch your a$$...
11-04-2010, 06:27 PM
I wish there were documentaries and just general pro viewpoints presented in a more mature fashion. So far all these documenetaries I have watched about pro-legalization really tend to send a poorly worded message. I just recentlly watched a documentary, don't remember the name, but it was a guy visiting all these "medical" distributors across California and talking about how in fact all of these places are not bad. What I found annoying the most is that all they show are regular laid back people using the stuff, with really obscure sounding "medical conditions" that allowed them to get that prescription for it. I mean, while I am not a user nor am against it, I can see how it still gets a bad name. Oh and always referring to it as "medicine" does not make it any better, I mean, you don't hear people calling tobacco medicine, even though the nicotine in it does have some relaxing and psychoactive effects. Usually they are honest and upfront with their use.
Why not just show instead upstanding white colar people. Supporting a family, nice car, nice house, etc. just anything that shows them something like "middle class". Even better if they actually have respectable jobs: doctors, lawyers, etc.
So far everytime I see them trying to use people as examples they show people that might as well be "stoners", usually in form of band members, rappers, etc. Basically, sort of people that already tend not to be "looked up" to by others. I mean, if some band member from some punk band is using it, how is that showing it in positive light? Now, if you have some brain surgeon using it, then I will assume he knows what he is talking about and the he probably is seeking the beneficial effects from the stuff rather than just getting "stoned".
I guess as with any drugs, it is the "abusers" that give it a bad name. I mean, look at LSD for example, a doctor not only created it, but also put a patent towards it, and for some time it was rather legit stuff for many legit purposes......And then people started abusing it and it got a bad name.
I am not saying that it's some great drug or something, it is just that we need better people to start openly supporting it...Preferably not "abusers" of it, then more people will start accepting that it is something that has beneficiary elements.
Look at a drug like Adderal, it is a perfectly legal drug, that has a years long record of having heavy abuses, especially in high school and univercities....Yet, Teva and Barr Pharmaceuticals are able to keep it on the market, mostly because they have a strong case for in the medicine market. And this a drug that is compared to cocaine, a "worse" drug than marijuana. What ever their marketing strategies are, it seems to work well for them.
People just need to approach this prop19 in a better way. If what appears to be components of cocaine can be distrubuted easily through a prescription, why can't a plant?
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11-04-2010, 06:34 PM
11-04-2010, 06:35 PM
Oh, and for reference.
Cocaine: methyl (1R,2R,3S,5S)-3- (benzoyloxy)-8-methyl-8-azabicyclo[3.2.1] octane-2-carboxylate
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11-05-2010, 12:46 AM
That guy is George Soros, the Billionaire financier of the Liberal machine trying to wreck the country. He gave millions to NPR and Huffington Post for "investigative Journalists" to stamp out people trying to expose the communist agenda. He founded Media Matters, gives millions to the Tides Foundation, Move On.org, various other liberal propoganda machines.
He has been talking about the "managed decline" of the dollar for a while now in order to redistribute wealth around the globe and knock the US down a few notches. Funny a while back, he pulled most of his money out of the stock market and bought gold since he is part of the plan to destroy the dollar. He has made a name for himself by "predicting" the destruction of currencies and economies and profiting Billions when it happens. It's because he helps orchestrate the collapse. He is truly a danger to our freedoms and prosperity in the US. I could care less about his support for prop 19, but I can't figure out his angle for doing it.
And if you hadn't heard about the Fed's continued "manage decline of the dollar, they announced yesterday they are going to buy $600B more in securities with printed money. Truly destructive to the dollar when it gets out of hand. We can start another thread on that whole topic. I'm pretty disgusted with the whole situation because their goal is to intentionally devalue the dollar with printed money. History shows when other countries have done the same thing for the same reasons the Fed has been citing since 2008, the decline got away from them, and their currency collapsed before anything could be done about it. Remember Zimbabwe? Iceland did it at the end of 2008 when the Fed did QE the first time. They have already spent $1.7Trillion since then and it still hasn't accomplished recovery.
Sorry for the hijack.
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