A Sincere Question for Those Who Condemn the Burning of Korans in America

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Oh that is ****ing bull****. You know that. If a white christian burns down a mosque he will be ****ing crucified (no pun intended)... and you know that damn well. The state of America is catering to muslim faith, especially with the liberal lean hating Christians as it is.

    If you really believe what you just said you are blind to the social-political climate we live in today.
    I wouldn't say bull****, but maybe I will give you that it was a bit of an exaggeration. The hate towards islam is significantly larger than the hate towards christians. Dsade's comment below is very accurate.

    I am a liberal, and I hate all relgions equally. I see them all as the opium of the masses. But I don't hate the religious, and don't judge them on it. I don't cater to the muslim faith more than any other faith, I have no reason to. But I like to call it like it is, and being outside the realm of religion, I can more easily distinguish the wrongs on both sides of the argument.

    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    See, this is where you are wrong. Rationalists/secular humanists/atheists (whatever word you want to use) points out the absurdity of ALL religions without fail. You feel more persecuted because your beliefs are more dear to you.
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    The whole "atheism is just another religion" argument is thoroughly discredited and ridiculous, at this pooint trotting that one out is purposely being intellectually dishonest.
    ^This is true, and I mentioned a similar comment in the previous thread on this.

    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Isn't it ironic that you make your way into every thread that mentions religion here on AM to preach your word? I know a few true athiests that could just care less about religion and feels no need to thrust their views upon those who do believe.
    Unfortunately, I too would like to never have to discuss religion, but it seems to be the forefront of politics in this country. Which is sad.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    No, the problematic part that I see as well (having no religious beliefs) is that our government is not dealing with all religions equally. They are literally funding the Imam's trip to do fundraising to build a mosque. Yet displaying the 10 commandments at a courthouse was deemed unconstitutional. Its a travesty that our government is so full of hypocrisy.
    Well said Easy, I agree with you 100%

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Angelbolic View Post
    Actually, there is a bit truth to that statement. It depends a little on which definition you use, but generally atheists 'believe' that there is no a god. They base that on the fact that there is no proof for the existence of a god. While that is true, that doesn't exclude the fact there could be a god. Same example is saying there is no proof for life outside of the earth, but that doesn't mean there couldn't a blue Gojo living somewhere in the Andromeda Galaxy.

    Agnosticism OTOH takes no position, and says basically the existence of a god is unknown or unknowable. All options are open.
    No, we know there is no God.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by Angelbolic View Post
    Prove it
    While my comment was sarcastic in nature, that argument in itself is what bothers me about religions. Its a mirror of glen beck politics.

    The fact that I cant prove the non-existence of something, doesnt mean that it exists. It is up to those who believe in the extraordinary to prove otherwise. Besides the equivalent of hearsay, they can't.
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  6. Hey come on now, Beck is right about 60% of the time

  7. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Hey come on now, Beck is right about 60% of the time
    Oh man, I know your throwing a bone to the dogs with that one, so before I react with the expected growling, Im going back to enjoying my puppy chow.
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    Oh man, I know your throwing a bone to the dogs with that one, so before I react with the expected growling, Im going back to enjoying my puppy chow.
    I have to turn him off when he goes on a religion rant, but otherwise a fair bit of what he says has accuracy, a higher accuracy rate than Obama or Joe Biden "When the stock market crashed, Franklin Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the princes of greed"....

    Its impossible to argue that each time payroll tax rates were lowered that actual US tax dollars coming in to the federal government has gone up, as its well documented statistically. Bits and pieces of what he says go off on a tangent though. His show has gotten more religion based as time has gone on, so I listen to him less and less

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Angelbolic View Post
    I basically agree with your reasoning, but atheism is still a bit hypocrite IMO. Heck, I don't believe in a god either and possibilities are quite huge there are none. But claiming there is no god without substantial prove is a form of religion also.
    No, that isn't a logically sound argument. Disbelieving in what is not provable is rational. Believing in god is no different in that respect than believing in karma, four leaf clovers, or voodoo dolls. Disbeliving in those things because there is no proof of their existence or effectiveness is based on rational thought.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Irish Cannon View Post
    ... if this were a Bible burning, it wouldn't have even made the news.
    Actually it did make the news not to long ago! Check it out...

    US Army burns Bibles

    http://articles.cnn.com/2009-05-20/w...el?_s=PM:WORLD

    But it didn't even make a ripple in the news, compared to the tidal wave this Quran thing has generated.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    No, that isn't a logically sound argument. Disbelieving in what is not provable is rational. Believing in god is no different in that respect than believing in karma, four leaf clovers, or voodoo dolls. Disbeliving in those things because there is no proof of their existence or effectiveness is based on rational thought.
    I see your point, but that is not logically true either. In life, odds are all we really have to count on, and 100% certain is technically never achievable. For example, I have no proof that the sun will rise in the sky tomorrow. But based on the available evidence, I am 99.99999% sure enough such that I will go ahead and schedule may day with that assumption, based on statistical probability.

    In other words, it is best NOT to form a conclusion, if you can't substantiate it with at least 50% or greater odds. If you choose a side, you may be right or you may be wrong, but if you remain agnostic and don't choose for absence of evidence, you are necessarily not wrong. Know what I mean, EZ?

  12. Just as an aside easy, there was a Muslim prayer room in the twin towers, which I guess constitues the towers as a mosque. Justan FYI

  13. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    Just as an aside easy, there was a Muslim prayer room in the twin towers, which I guess constitues the towers as a mosque. Justan FYI
    The twin towers weren't built with specific internal plans of that being there, it was rented out space.

  14. Okay, I've just kind of been reading for the most part, but I'm going to lay out some further hypocrisy...

    Ground Zero Mosque in NY:

    *Un-American to ask where the funding comes from
    *Imam supports Iranian revolution (the same people that stone women, hang gays/lesbians, and kill adulterers)
    *Built on the site of conquest
    *Imam is totally rational and mainstream

    Terry Jones:

    *Said to be a crazy lunatic pastor when he's done nothing but exercise his 1st amendment rights
    *Double-crossed by the FL imam
    *Told IF HE STOPS THE BURNING OF THE BOOK he can come to "talk" with the Ground Zero imam (NOTE: He has to stop, but the GZ Mosque imam doesn't - Putting himself in control) - This was only after they said that the mosque wouldn't be built

    Fck them all. I'm sick of this BS.

    ‎"Moral cowardice is fear of upholding the good because it is good, and fear of opposing the evil because it is evil." - My faith upholds the good, and my guns take on my adversaries.

    I do nothing but live my life and let others live theirs, yet I'm being attacked and so are many other Americans. This $hit needs to get turned around. If America won't do it, I'll join the IDF. I don't give a fck anymore. America is only an idea anymore.

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  15. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    The twin towers weren't built with specific internal plans of that being there, it was rented out space.
    that is truly neither here nor there. The fact is that there was prayer at the twin towers.

    At the end of the day, I hae n o issue with the burning of bibles or qu'rans to be honest. I think it is a good start

  16. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    that is truly neither here nor there. The fact is that there was prayer at the twin towers.

    At the end of the day, I hae n o issue with the burning of bibles or qu'rans to be honest. I think it is a good start
    just need to burn them all at the same time

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Irish Cannon View Post
    Okay, I've just kind of been reading for the most part, but I'm going to lay out some further hypocrisy...

    Ground Zero Mosque in NY:

    *Un-American to ask where the funding comes from
    *Imam supports Iranian revolution (the same people that stone women, hang gays/lesbians, and kill adulterers)
    *Built on the site of conquest
    *Imam is totally rational and mainstream

    Terry Jones:

    *Said to be a crazy lunatic pastor when he's done nothing but exercise his 1st amendment rights
    *Double-crossed by the FL imam
    *Told IF HE STOPS THE BURNING OF THE BOOK he can come to "talk" with the Ground Zero imam (NOTE: He has to stop, but the GZ Mosque imam doesn't - Putting himself in control) - This was only after they said that the mosque wouldn't be built

    Fck them all. I'm sick of this BS.

    ‎"Moral cowardice is fear of upholding the good because it is good, and fear of opposing the evil because it is evil." - My faith upholds the good, and my guns take on my adversaries.

    I do nothing but live my life and let others live theirs, yet I'm being attacked and so are many other Americans. This $hit needs to get turned around. If America won't do it, I'll join the IDF. I don't give a fck anymore. America is only an idea anymore.

    Réabhlóid !
    America has been only an idea since the early 20th century. All of these troubles go back to some of our earlier wonderful Presidents

  18. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    just need to burn them all at the same time
    I will light the match with you

  19. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    America has been only an idea since the early 20th century. All of these troubles go back to some of our earlier wonderful Presidents
    Some of our earlier presidents were the only ones with balls... nows its all PC bull****.

    I would love to see an Ex-General president again.
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Some of our earlier presidents were the only ones with balls... nows its all PC bull****.

    I would love to see an Ex-General president again.
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Some of our earlier presidents were the only ones with balls... nows its all PC bull****.

    I would love to see an Ex-General president again.
    I wonder if they would be able to exhibit any real power any more. The more I look at Washington the more I see that the President (regardless of affiliation) is nothing more than a puppet.

    I would say the president with balls stopped with TR(with a few minor exceptions afterwards)

  22. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Some of our earlier presidents were the only ones with balls... nows its all PC bull****.

    I would love to see an Ex-General president again.
    Petraeus for president!! lol


  23. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    just need to burn them all at the same time
    I'm about to burn some pork chops! Don't try to stop me!

  24. Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    See, this is where you are wrong. Rationalists/secular humanists/atheists (whatever word you want to use) points out the absurdity of ALL religions without fail. You feel more persecuted because your beliefs are more dear to you.
    Just as your unbelief is obviously extremely dear to you.Why is it that atheist seem to have an overwhelming need to prove how much more logical their belief \unbelief ( or whatever) is than of those who believe.Are you trying to prove it to others or yourself?

  25. If only a global human reset was as easy as a rep reset...

  26. Didn't some muslim in britain burn the US Constitution in protest since US Laws do not follow Islam's laws?
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  27. We had better not talk about it as it might offend some muslims.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by 416 View Post
    Just as your unbelief is obviously extremely dear to you.Why is it that atheist seem to have an overwhelming need to prove how much more logical their belief \unbelief ( or whatever) is than of those who believe.Are you trying to prove it to others or yourself?
    My unbelief is not dear to me...it simply exists due to lack of evidence. Calling a dog a cat a million times will not change the fact that I am not expressing a positive assertion...merely indicating that there is no evidence to claim a positive assertion, therefore that assertion does not exist. A-theist = without belief in god.

    Whereas your typical religious minded folk will continue to profess belief IN SPITE of either lack of evidence or blatant evidence to the contrary, scientists - if presented with credible evidence - gladly shift their worldviews to accommodate the new evidence.
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  29. Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    My unbelief is not dear to me...it simply exists due to lack of evidence. Calling a dog a cat a million times will not change the fact that I am not expressing a positive assertion...merely indicating that there is no evidence to claim a positive assertion, therefore that assertion does not exist. A-theist = without belief in god.

    Whereas your typical religious minded folk will continue to profess belief IN SPITE of either lack of evidence or blatant evidence to the contrary, scientists - if presented with credible evidence - gladly shift their worldviews to accommodate the new evidence.
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  30. Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    My unbelief is not dear to me...it simply exists due to lack of evidence. Calling a dog a cat a million times will not change the fact that I am not expressing a positive assertion...merely indicating that there is no evidence to claim a positive assertion, therefore that assertion does not exist. A-theist = without belief in god.

    Whereas your typical religious minded folk will continue to profess belief IN SPITE of either lack of evidence or blatant evidence to the contrary, scientists - if presented with credible evidence - gladly shift their worldviews to accommodate the new evidence.
    I'd like to think you know what a crock that is. Most scientists are possibly more biased than anyone. Science is hardly based on factual evidence, as much as you or me or anyone would like that to be the case.

    One would like to think that "free scientific inquiry" exists, or even as stated in Atlas Shrugged, "the first word is redundant." - But as we see in real life, and as we see in Atlas Shrugged, it's not at all true.
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