Obama to support ground zero mosque
- 09-09-2010, 04:00 PM
- 09-09-2010, 04:07 PM
And as always with liberal elitist snobs, you try and play an educational slight of hand, ignoring the fact that Araft has nothing to do with the issue of the mosque, or the issue of burning of Quarans. So when you can't win with logic or common sense, redirect to something else. Pretty standard Obama tactic, along with your attempting to treat anyone who doesn't support your ideas as if their ideas deserve no merit.
09-09-2010, 04:27 PM
09-09-2010, 04:37 PM
It doesn't take a ton of information to see that Raouf has spent money out of his pocket to fund terrorist related activities like the boat attempting to provoke violence at the israeli blockade, nor does it take a ton of information to see that our state department (in what seems like a total 180 degree twist on their usual stance of "separation of church and state") is paying for him as a religious person to go raise funds for his mosque. I guess that leaves him more money to send to Hamas and they like that?
09-09-2010, 04:45 PM
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09-09-2010, 04:52 PM
09-09-2010, 05:02 PM
09-09-2010, 05:03 PM
09-09-2010, 05:07 PM
BTW, since we are talking about what should and shouldn't happen based on the stereotypes of a particular religion, let me quote my man Jon Stewart:
"You can build a Catholic church next to a playground, but should you?"
09-09-2010, 05:09 PM
09-09-2010, 05:10 PM
09-09-2010, 05:14 PM
At this point, a student can't question stimulus spending or socialized healthcare in the open at most colleges without risking their graduation.
09-09-2010, 05:22 PM
09-09-2010, 05:25 PM
First I was not questioning your education, you can have 5 PHDs for all I know, I never made any assumptions toward your education level.
"liberal progressive agenda" - Add this one to the list of buzz words/phrases I love to hear.
The lock on education units is not enforced. A college will not choose to only accept liberals, it just so happens that many who attend college are/become liberals. Take that for what you will, but I attach no assumptions to it.
Please do not make the comment that a student questioning liberal politics fears losing their graduation. I come from an extremely liberal campus. Loyola University, although a Jesuit private college, has an extremely liberal population, which could be the results of many factors, including being an urban campus, but the why really doesnt matter.
The fact of the matter is, our college has a college republicans club, has had numerous republican political figures give presentations, hell, we even had ann coulter do a discussion on our campus. If we allowed that sandpaper-vag on our campus, why then would we, "the liberal progressive elitist snobs" disallow republicans to graduate?
09-09-2010, 05:36 PM
Two things I've learned from this thread:
1) This country is having more and more problems.
2) This country is becoming more and more liberal.
09-09-2010, 05:45 PM
09-09-2010, 05:52 PM
09-09-2010, 06:31 PM
BTW, I have quite a few colleagues that I know well in Newark (education is a small world). They are hardly bad teachers. However, since you generalized and certainly never have a neocon bias, I am in the wrong.
Havent you learned yet Easy? Being so far one side politically (which ever side it is) is typically wrong.
09-09-2010, 06:32 PM
There isn't a hint of nuance or context within any of your arguments. Yes it costs between 22-24k per student in Newark, and yes graduation rates are low, because much of the priority is focused on crime reduction, one of the major factors as to why the best teachers have opted to go elsewhere. It's much easier to allocate funds in a suburb, than it is in an urban area, where you have a much broader range of issues to deal with, such as what AE14 alluded to in prior post.
You make these sweeping observations (none of them spelled or articulated correctly but that's another subject altogether), without a shred of context behind them. I understand the conservative approach is to oversimplify life, it's much easier to comprehend simple than it is to observe the facts.
09-09-2010, 06:38 PM
Not all teachers are bad, I've known many good ones, as well as many horrible ones. How many bad teachers (or principals, or guidance counselors, etc) does it take to wreck education? Why should parents have to tolerate incompetence in teachers just because they've been there a while?
And i'm not a neocon Just very financially conservative, and a firm believer in minimalistic federal government, with individual state governments having more control. Local issues, local solutions. I'd be a constitutionalist except they are psychos religiously, and libertarians just don't quite cut it either.
Half the time in threads like this I just play devils advocate
09-09-2010, 06:42 PM
and again, why continue to throw more and more and more money on what doesn't work? This is just like stimulus packages in congress. One of the definitions of insanity is repeatedly performing the same steps, and expecting a different result. There is no reason why it should cost more to educate 2 students in Newark to have one of them drop out than it costs to educate 6 students in Los Angeles.
09-09-2010, 06:44 PM
LEt me ask you this: if this is ridiculous, how do you entice the best teachers, administrators etc... to go there? Based on the crime issues, and other problems based on expectations (and the silly NCLB) what would pull a good teacher there?
For me personally, I would have no reason to do it. I taught in a very blue collar district before, that had a higer crime rate, and to be honest I have no desire to deal with that issue again.
I do agree that there are problems with tenure and would welcome a 3 year tenure evaluation(I am a tenured teacher mind you) as I know there are some horrible ones. However, to blame newark on teachers is ludicrous
09-09-2010, 06:48 PM
09-09-2010, 06:51 PM
I think part of the solution there is starting with more better earlier education. A second significant part is use of things like the Dolly Parton Imagination Library, a non-profit run by The United Way in a lot of areas (may be run by others elsewhere). Its a program that monthly puts a single new book in childrens hands from birth to age 5, when they should be starting school. Studies have already shown that the number of books in a house is a better predictor of a child's success in school than the eduction level of their parents. So you start earlier, have the children be better prepared at grade school, and then make sure grade school is taught well.
Getting better teachers in the high schools themselves is a tougher one though, because who the hell would want to subject themselves to that? My daughter goes to a high school ranked around #140 nationally, and there are still gangs and drug dealers there. I had pondered as a part of a first "retirement" going in to teaching, but my skillset would lend itself best to high school teaching, and screw that
09-09-2010, 06:53 PM
Apparently you think its a success story to spend 3x what the rest of the country does to have half the students not graduate, or that teachers have nothing to do with the education that children receive. Pick which one of the two it is.
09-09-2010, 06:55 PM
09-09-2010, 06:58 PM
In terms of submitting yourself to it. I will never forget my first day student teaching years ago, and a very troubled high school junior at the time (this is 10 years ago) decided he didnt like my "attitude" and he would challenge me to a fight. It was certainly not something that I had ever thought about or was taught about in grad school. It is not worth the drama at times. Even where I teach now (which is top 10 in NJ) there are still some problems, not like the ones before, but I have had kids come to class too high and then vomit in the room. I have stories that astound me and I was there.
Education has changed so greatly that it can be a scary prospect. You should try it though Easy. If you find the right school, the job is a friggin blast.
I will say this, when some of my male student get a little too ****y, I offer them the opportunity to come to the weight room to lift with me for a bit, and I get to use a real high volume routine. Their behavior changes drastically
09-09-2010, 06:58 PM
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