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- 09-09-2010, 05:42 PM
and again, why continue to throw more and more and more money on what doesn't work? This is just like stimulus packages in congress. One of the definitions of insanity is repeatedly performing the same steps, and expecting a different result. There is no reason why it should cost more to educate 2 students in Newark to have one of them drop out than it costs to educate 6 students in Los Angeles.Animis Rep
- 09-09-2010, 05:44 PM
LEt me ask you this: if this is ridiculous, how do you entice the best teachers, administrators etc... to go there? Based on the crime issues, and other problems based on expectations (and the silly NCLB) what would pull a good teacher there?
For me personally, I would have no reason to do it. I taught in a very blue collar district before, that had a higer crime rate, and to be honest I have no desire to deal with that issue again.
I do agree that there are problems with tenure and would welcome a 3 year tenure evaluation(I am a tenured teacher mind you) as I know there are some horrible ones. However, to blame newark on teachers is ludicrousOfficial Get Diesel Representative
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- 09-09-2010, 05:48 PM
09-09-2010, 05:51 PM
I think part of the solution there is starting with more better earlier education. A second significant part is use of things like the Dolly Parton Imagination Library, a non-profit run by The United Way in a lot of areas (may be run by others elsewhere). Its a program that monthly puts a single new book in childrens hands from birth to age 5, when they should be starting school. Studies have already shown that the number of books in a house is a better predictor of a child's success in school than the eduction level of their parents. So you start earlier, have the children be better prepared at grade school, and then make sure grade school is taught well.
Getting better teachers in the high schools themselves is a tougher one though, because who the hell would want to subject themselves to that? My daughter goes to a high school ranked around #140 nationally, and there are still gangs and drug dealers there. I had pondered as a part of a first "retirement" going in to teaching, but my skillset would lend itself best to high school teaching, and screw that
09-09-2010, 05:53 PM
Apparently you think its a success story to spend 3x what the rest of the country does to have half the students not graduate, or that teachers have nothing to do with the education that children receive. Pick which one of the two it is.
09-09-2010, 05:55 PM
09-09-2010, 05:58 PM
In terms of submitting yourself to it. I will never forget my first day student teaching years ago, and a very troubled high school junior at the time (this is 10 years ago) decided he didnt like my "attitude" and he would challenge me to a fight. It was certainly not something that I had ever thought about or was taught about in grad school. It is not worth the drama at times. Even where I teach now (which is top 10 in NJ) there are still some problems, not like the ones before, but I have had kids come to class too high and then vomit in the room. I have stories that astound me and I was there.
Education has changed so greatly that it can be a scary prospect. You should try it though Easy. If you find the right school, the job is a friggin blast.
I will say this, when some of my male student get a little too ****y, I offer them the opportunity to come to the weight room to lift with me for a bit, and I get to use a real high volume routine. Their behavior changes drastically
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09-09-2010, 05:58 PM
09-09-2010, 06:00 PM
09-09-2010, 06:03 PM
09-09-2010, 06:04 PM
09-09-2010, 06:10 PM
In Hawaii for example, with the Furlough Fridays (students and teachers getting every friday off due to budget issues) making the state that is 49th in education also having the shortest school year, the state found the money to cover teachers salaries. However, there wasn't enough to also cover non-educational staff, such as school board members. The teachers union refused to accept the offer. Tell me, is that good for education? No, its good for the teachers union though.
09-09-2010, 06:18 PM
I'm off to the gym. Not sure what you guys will get out of it, but have fun debating with Billy Madison. I'm just waiting for Captain Insano to show up.
09-09-2010, 07:28 PM
This is one of the times I miss Zero V and his rational contributions to threads like this.
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