Mavi Marama raid...the real IDF footage
- 06-01-2010, 08:50 PM
Mavi Marama raid...the real IDF footage
Maybe it's an attempt from the beyond radical and newly developed Turkish government to exploit the state of Israel as well as convincing everyone what didn't actually happened or maybe it's Aljazeera as well as are muslim loving president Nobama which blatantly condemn the attack without getting much info on it....my conclusion it's to persuade as well as make all islamist groups regardless of fanitical intent or not to arouse more regional hate against Israel....Humanitarian aid my ass.
Of course this will probably never be aired or shown for the public to see.
[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo"]YouTube- Close-Up Footage of Mavi Marmara Passengers Attacking IDF Soldiers[/nomedia]
[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvS9PXZ3RWM&feature=re lated"]YouTube- Weapons Found on the Flotilla Ship Mavi Marmara Used by Activists Against IDF Soldiers[/nomedia] Note : I don't care if these aren't considered conventional weapons, they are deemed weapons of opportunity in my book.
[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9p5QT91QYs&feature=re lated"]YouTube- Israeli Navy Soldier Describes the Violent Mob Aboard Mavi Marmara[/nomedia]
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Zero V, what do you mean. I'm curious. Pm me if you like.
Yeah, this whole thing was one massive publicity stunt. They weren't humanitarians. israel didn't have a choice but to take the bait; the alternative was to allow the blockade to be passed, and open the floodgates of weapon supply to hamas in gaza. That's suicide, as one hizbullah on one border is enough.
The big question is Turkey: will they escort the next two ships set to leave in the next 48 hours? If they do, what will israel do? If there is a skirmish, turkey could involve nato. That's extreme, but so is turkey officially supporting a flotilla organized by an org with ties to al qaeda and hamas, and illegally attempting to run a legal blockade. It's absolutely mind blowing.
06-02-2010, 10:25 AM
The "peace activists" have ties to the weather underground and William Ayers and that bunch of lefty wack jobs also.
06-02-2010, 09:14 PM
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1.*A maritime blockade is in effect off the coast of Gaza. Such blockade has been imposed, as Israel is currently in a state of armed conflict with the Hamas regime that controls Gaza, which has repeatedly bombed civilian targets in Israel with weapons that have been* smuggled into Gaza via the sea
2.*Maritime blockades are a legitimate and recognized measure under international law that may be implemented as part of an armed conflict at sea.
3.*A* blockade may be imposed at sea, including in international waters, so ong as it does not bar access to the ports and coasts of neutral states.
4.*The naval manuals of several western countries, including the US and England recognize the maritime blockade as an effective naval measure and set forth the various criteria that make a blockade valid, including the requirement of give due notice of the existence of the blockade.
5. .*In this vein, it should be noted that Israel publicized the existence of the blockade and the precise coordinates of such by means of the accepted international professional maritime channels. Israel also provided appropriate notification to the affected governments and to the organizers of the Gaza protest flotilla.* Moreover, in real time, the ships participating in the protest flotilla were warned repeatedly that a maritime blockade is in effect
6.*Here, it should be noted that under customary law, knowledge of the blockade may be presumed once a blockade has been declared and appropriate notification has been granted, as above
7.*Under international maritime law, when a maritime blockade is in
7.*Under international maritime law, when a maritime blockade is in effect no boats can enter the blockaded area.* That includes both civilian and enemy vessels.
8.*A state may take action to enforce a blockade. Any vessel that violates or attempts to violate a maritime blockade may be captured or even attacked under international law.*The US Commander's Handbook on the Law of Naval Operations sets forth that a vessel is considered to be in attempt to breach a blockade from the time the vessel leaves its port with the intention of evading the blockade.* breach a blockade from the time the vessel leaves its port with the intention of evading the blockade
9.*Here we should note that the protesters indicated their clear intention to violate the blockade by means of written and ora statements.*Moreover, the route of these vessels indicated their clear intention to violate the blockade in violation of international law
10.*Given the protesters explicit intention to violate the naval blockade Israel exercised its right under international law to enforce the blockade. It should be noted that prior to undertaking enforcement measures, explicit warnings were* relayed directly to the captains of the vessels, expressing Israel's intent to exercise its right to enforce the blockade
11.*Israel had attempted to take control of the vessels participating in the flotilla by peaceful means and in an orderly fashion in order to enforce the blockade. Given the large number of vessels participating in the flotilla, an operational decision was made to undertake measures to enforce the blockade a certain distance from the area of the blockade
12.*Israeli personnel attempting to enforce the blockade were met with violence by the protestors and acted in self-defense to ward off the attacks.
06-03-2010, 02:27 AM
06-03-2010, 03:28 AM
06-03-2010, 05:02 AM
syria, iran, hezbollah, are all less dangerous and less criminal than those bloodthirsty israeli fools. funny how people are linking those activists with organisations like hamas, while israel itself is a pure terrorist entity. state terrorism of the highest order. the tenach clearly states that israel will destroy itself, it's only a matter of time, thank God.
06-04-2010, 12:57 PM
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06-04-2010, 04:49 PM
I have no problem with Israel, they are smack center in the harshest part of the world....
When is the last time they sent a suicide bomber my way? Never have. Good enough for me.
You know half the reason we have terrorist attacks, is because of Americas history of being invaders, committing our own war crimes, and being a nation of pigs right?
Dont judge another nation while thinking ours is still great, Ours is now beginning to rip at the seams and will probably end up separated in our lifetime.
06-05-2010, 11:38 AM
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Holy ****! Who let this bag out of the casket?
Helen Thomas: Jews, go back to Poland Veteran White House correspondent Helen Thomas makes shocking anti- Yitzhak Benhorin Published:* 06.05.10, 20:49 / Israel News WASHINGTON - Veteran White House Correspondent Helen Thomas has provoked a storm in the US after saying the Jews must"get the hell out of Palestine" and "go home" to Germany or Poland. Thomas, who will be celebrating her 90th birthday soon, made the remarks in a talk with Rabbi David Nesenoff on the margins of an Rabbi David Nesenoff on the margins of an event held by President Obama last
06-05-2010, 11:57 PM
You know what, I kinda want the US to abandon Israel just to watch the ****storm of Israel drop kicking everyones ass into the ground. 6 days war all over again.
06-06-2010, 02:53 PM
the idf is really not that great anymore. they were good in 1967 at their best in 1973, not so great during the occupation in lebanon and they really got their ass kicked big time in 2006 by hezbollah in southern lebanon.
06-06-2010, 03:26 PM
I dont believe war should be waged the way it is today, with politics and red tape and "laws"....its a war. Destroy your enemy, should they surrender show them mercy. Should they fight, then yes innocents will perish because of their actions but if your going to have war have it the right way.
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I woud agree about the IDF, should there be no restrictions, then there would be no one else left in the Middle East. You cant f with the IDF
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06-06-2010, 03:45 PM
06-07-2010, 11:06 AM
I dont belive israel will ever be distroyed, you will see countries rise up against them and israel will wipe them off the map
06-07-2010, 11:32 AM
What i wondered is why they don't just sink whatever tries to cross the blockade without attempting to board.
06-07-2010, 11:55 AM
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06-07-2010, 12:22 PM
There is a big chicken-and-egg problem between Israel and the Palestinians. Which leads to the question of whether the blockade is legitimate from an international perspective. Playing hardball would get too much international scrutiny.
06-07-2010, 02:11 PM
06-07-2010, 07:06 PM
muslims bring death and destruction, and are the enemy of every Jew out there, and Christian. We would embrace, or try and convert...they will cut your head off, and blow up your family.
I think America should assist Israel with military aid in the form of Nuclear bombs
06-07-2010, 10:24 PM
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They have nukes already.
06-08-2010, 05:16 AM
06-09-2010, 11:14 PM
I work with the Iraqi government, there is an Iraqi 1 star and a bunch of colonels who share an office with me over here, and they are some damn sharp people.
Muslims are not the problem at all. We're out of the dark ages and the crusades are over, they aren't the enemy.
Radical extremists are the problem, and wiping them out is a lot more complicated than you think. In fact killing them doesn't even work. Look up asymmetrical warfare. That's the fight we are fighting now. While it would be much simpler to just drop a nuke, we would be killing probably 98% civilians, 2% terrorists, MAYBE.
06-10-2010, 09:03 AM
06-10-2010, 06:26 PM
Terrorism doesn't work against the US Army. It took them 7 or so years to figure that out. You know what happens when a convoy is rolling through town and someone shoots at them? A couple things. 1. the 50 cal or 240 gunner on top of every vehicle immediately identifies the target. If the target is identified, hellfire ensues. If the target is not identified, they will either continue mission, or if the mission allows, they will go and hunt the guy who shot them down.
Terrorism only works when people are afraid of you.
Also, Al Qaeda's goal is to overthrow the Iraqi government. They figured out that as long as we are around that will be impossible. So they stopped attacking us, figuring if we weren't getting attacked then we would leave.
The real funny thing is they are bound to fail no matter what. If they kill US Soldiers, the US will stick around forever and ****ing hunt them all down. If they kill civilians, sure, they may influence a few things, scare people here or there, but eventually the civilians will get sick of it.
Personally I think the Sunni-Shi'a relations are more of a problem than the terrorists in Iraq, the Iraqi forces are actually getting there **** in gear these days.
I dunno. Just my two semi-educated cents. Also keep in mind this is Iraq only, Afghanistan is a whole different monster.
06-10-2010, 11:59 PM
The American Revolutionists who fought off Britain were Terrorists as well...
Our soldiers are lucky they are not dealing with the most intelligent of enemies...a decent group of five men could bring hell on one of our convoys over there. Lucky for us, they just send out cowards to make pot shots or leave IED's and the likes around.
America would not stand so well against real enemies...
NOW onto muslims...
EVERY girl I know who dates a muslim ends up with black eyes.
Every muslim I know is a useless liar, dirtbag, and they generally dont keep jobs well...
This is out of maybe 75 mulsims(yes that many at least, I would say over 100) that I have known well enough. Out of those 75, about 5 were good men/women.
The rest? Useless.
I am sure there are some good muslims...but generally, anyone I talk to who knows them hates them. I cant stand them, and girls I know who made the mistake of dating one lose all respect for their culture.
They bring no flavor whatsover to any place they go.
Now is this a generality? Borderline racism? I dont think so, its friggin statistics. You dont have to be a "radical murderous terrorist muslim" to be a piece of trash. You just gotta be a piece of trash...
All I care about is that a man represents himself properly and in good manner. Sadly every one who represents islam, is usually a person that I find less than admirable, or even decent, or hell event want to be around. How the hell do you come to America, be here 5 years, and still smell like camel Sh!t? Take a shower...
That and I do see their culture as an issue. Even the non-extremists are dumb enough to follow the extremists to please allah baba shaboobi, and get their 72 virgin camels.
AM I not accepting of their culture? HELL no, it is being TOO accepting that is partially why America is so screwed up now. Plus, you probably dont know the religious side of it, and what their idiotic leaders here say. The whole purpose they spam out hell spawn kids is because their religious leaders demand it, in order to take over this nation by reproduction...and that came straight from the horses mouth...
I will gladly be "wrong" and be accused of sterotyping. You know what, I stereotype wtf a woof looks like in a group of dogs so I dont get my throat ripped out...
06-11-2010, 02:32 AM
This is a joke right?
Terrorism is a tactic my friend. Guerilla warfare is a tactic as well, and entirely different. Here, look at this site, which is the first one on google:
American revolutionists were not terrorists. They were freedom fighters, or Guerillas, fighting a military force much larger and better than their own. Terorists target civilians for political/religious/psychological agendas.
This is coming from someone who has experience with such things...myself.
You have no idea how intelligent our enemies truly are. I'm not at liberty to talk about why, but lets just say they are about 10,000 times smarter than you think. They have outlasted 150,000 soldiers for 8 years now.
America has the best armed and trained fighting force in the world...no other country in the world could maintain forces in over 80 countries...America will stand against EVERY enemy, and if you don't think so...I don't have much respect for you. I am one of the most patriotic people you will ever know, and I don't take kindly to people making even slight references against our troops.
On to muslims...I'm in Iraq mate. I think that qualifies me slightly more to comment on the character of muslims. I've met and worked with many more than 75, and I am in their country.
20-30% of the WORLD is muslim. You are going to pass judgement on 2 billion people based off of your opinion of 75? I'm glad I don't go to your church....
It's also one of the oldest and largest cultures in the world. 1000 years ago the Muslims were so much more advanced than the rest of the world it was a joke.
I bet you I know a lot more about the religious side of it than you, being a cultural expert is part of my job, extensive studies are included in that, above and beyond the basic courses in islam and culture EVERY SINGLE U.S. SOLDIER IS REQUIRED TO ATTEND.
I've known WAY more than 75 Americans who were total **** bags, do you think I hate Americans?
This is the most ignorant post I have ever seen in my life....even the non extremists are dumb enough to follow? Why the **** do you think we have been in Iraq and Afghanistan for 8 years now? If they were all ****bags we would have finished up 10 days after we got here. less than 1% of the population here are terrorists. They are normal people man.
Who exactly is the horse you speak of? The Grand Ayatollah? Random Imams? Muhammed? Do you even know anything about Islam?
Your last sentence doesn't make any sense at all...you aren't stereotyping, you are condeming an entire religion based on a few bad experiences you have, which I would bet money were bad because you are a radical yourself. I have never met a men who touts his religion around so much as you and was so demeaning and ignorant of other people.
06-11-2010, 07:15 AM
06-13-2010, 02:28 AM
Every religion will have the rapists, weirdos, freaks, label bearers,etc.
But not every religion accepts such things as beating your wife cuz your sammich was made wrong, and say its ok -.-
I dont count most christians as christians anyways, I was actually shocked to find out a few things about some christian leaders in my church, and another church, and their current youth leaders. Just made me go WTF is wrong with you people?
Money plays too big of a damn role anymore...
and as for passing judgement on 2 billion...well maybe they should ship some of their better ones here for me to meet and learn from. A man can only go by what he sees in person. To me, its not what you see, its what I see. To you, its not what I see, its what you see.
Thats like referring to prison...what % is black?
You want your people to have a certain image, represent it...White people get the redneck bit, black people get the jail bit, french get the "pussies" bit, muslims get the...hell muslim bit. I make jokes about strapping C4 to a pigeon and sending them off to blow someone up, but they would actually friggin do it.
As for them being smarter...dude, we are still discovering new fish in rivers we have been searching for the last 200 years...
In a country full of mountains and terrain, and where everyone wears layers of covering clothing, its not hard to vanish and hide.
As for their country, why cant their people fight their people? if only 1% are the bad guys, then you telling me that 99% of muslims are incompetent pussies who cant stand up for themselves?
And on the plain and simple viewpoint, I see muslims as misguided. Their entire heaven is based off of the Cardinal sin of "lust"....thats enough for me to disqualify a religion of having any merit.
72 virgins? wtf how many insecure men really have to turn to a religion for contentment. Honestly, you think that a grand creator of the heavens and the earth would place the reward for being a good man, to be to "wordly" take 72 virgins just made for that man?
Budhism is about spiritual peace and tranquility, christianity is about faith and healing and peace, catholicism is pretty much the same...but weird, many of them focus on being "non-wordly"....that when we die, we transcend...not degrade into horny bastards for all of eternity...and to subjugate 72 other souls to be under then for eternity, instead of an equality for eternity...
So up front, I am biased. And aside from my friend Maleke, who sadly returned to Africa because of the death of his brother(if thats even the truth, muslims here use lies such as trips like that to go to another job and "test" it out and then come back if its not better..common practice here) I have seen no good.
hell every Haji shop I have went to have been dealing drugs out the back door as well...
Honestly, they simply have had bad representation here then. Not saying good ones dont exist, but I am saying they cant be #rd in the higher end of the %s at this rate.
The only reason they have eluded us is political "red tape". And like I said, I am very biased. But not just because of my religion, but because in comparison to any religion...they are tweaked the wrong way...Plus they have a weird feeling around them, I would never trust one.
06-13-2010, 05:02 PM
^ Biased and very misinformed my friend. I think you should do some research on your own instead of judging people so.
There is not one bit of fact in your statements. What % of prisons are black? I guarantee you a higher % are white.
Yeah, I am sure there would be a gap in how many christians beat their wives vs muslims, because islam is the largest religion in the world. If you took the % however I would bet money they would be a lot closer than you think.
I have yet to see a Jerry Springer type show in a muslim country.
Oh, and a muslim I work with just warned me about a snake that is out near where our car is parked. He doesn't even speak English.
The 72 virgin thing is just a stupid oral tradition that has been passed down. It isn't mentioned anywhere in the Q'uran, in fact the holy book of Islam actually says you will be with your wife in heaven. The 72 virgin thing was an interpretation, and it is akin to the christian wings and harp. ie, most people know its just a stupid story someone made up. Just by you thinking their "entire religion" is based on lust makes you look like a fool, and the fact that every fact I state in my remarks to you I verified before typing. Seriously...think before you talk?
Your views are misguided my friend. You call yourself christian, but I do not see any christian values in you at all. In fact it bothers me very much that you tout around the fact that you don't have sex, you post it anywhere it will make sense, yet you are clearly racist, have a low tolerance for other religions, and don't bother to know about things you talk about.
As far as muslims being stupid: http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/...ons/index.html
06-13-2010, 06:54 PM
I have a high tolerance of jewish, catholic,morman(sp?), hindu, buddhist, and so on and find them interesting in their own rights. Again, actually very tolerant to anyone who actually knows me. In fact a good friend is morman, and I know some really nice jewish people. I even treat Jehovas Witness peeps nicely lol.
But muslims...I have seen them bring nothing to America but issues, conflict, and many problems. Them and atheists are one of the leading groups causing issues for Christian foundations and rights here in the states. Many elementary schools now forbid bibles from being carried, crosses from being worn, and any shirt showing Jesus. Yet the little towel heads can wear their headwraps because its their cultural right? I have never seen one of them be a good worker here, then again every one I have seen is in one form or another mooching off the government.
You may be right about the 72 virgins bit. But no one actually expects wings and a harp, and there is no lust in that....72 virgins is a lust-lure for attracting new believers IMO.
And as for citing 10 things they invented, hell Nazi's had some technological advancement too! So lets say they are swell people, k?
And I havent seen any Christian extremists sawing off anyones heads lately. Or buddhist extremists....etc,etc,etc
Hopefully the Israel will soon reach its point where it can deal with them.
Which Muslim countries are current world powers capable of taking on anyone and everyone else? They were always smashed when they tried long ago, by the Catholic crusades.
And as for muslims being the most populace religion in the world, I believe it. It is near the end times, and it was stated the darkness and false prophets would spread and take over.
My friend, the reason America is falling to its doom is because it has been far far too tolerant...
Now dont get me wrong. If I see a muslim broke down, I would help them. If I see them not have anything for lunch, I will generally offer something of mine that is spare. Their culture, religion, is all false. But I still treat the individual with respect. I see no purpose for their false religion, save it is another challenge from satan. I would give one the shirt off my back, doesnt mean I like them any more. Its doing whats right even to that which you disagree with.
That being said, YOU CANNOT have someone be a christian, and say being muslim is ok....doesnt make sense. They cancel out as calling the other false, they dont accept christians not by a long shot, hell over there we can be killed. Yet for stating I find their false doctrines(which in order to be a Christian your very teaching is that the false doctrines of the world or just that, false) disgusting is my right to have as an opinion.
oh and about prison
Census 2000 shows that predominantly White Franklin County New York more than doubled its Black population since 1990. That would be news to both the residents of the county and the prisoners, neither of whom consider the prisoners to be residents of Franklin County. Ninety-one percent of Franklin County’s Black population is incarcerated in the county’s 5 state prisons.
In 2003 4,834 out of every 100,000 black males were sentenced to prison compared to 681 per every 100,000 white males and 1,778 per 100,000 Hispanic males
Read more: Race and Ethnicity - Incarceration And Minorities http://law.jrank.org/pages/12131/Rac...#ixzz0qmWx2PIl
I am really not racist, there is a line between racism and statistics...
you know in lower crime areas, I am sure it evens out. But where the big money is at, its far from even...
I dont know where the hell your hometown is man, but I want to go there it must be a damn peachy place for you to only know of the happy tree muslims and to see no racial divide and its all equal...
I know your serving, and I respect that, but your also going to be getting the "pretty press" guys in your field, the ones who have the sole job of making their culture look friendly, nice,etc.
And finally, you get on me for being intolerant....you do realize that the Christian God will be sending all muslims to eternal damnation per the belief of anyone who is christian? That is the general understanding of the faith, that false doctrines that are a blasphemy against God will not be given entry into heaven? And yet you conflict with me for having issues with them? Like I said I would do what I could to help a man in need(unless he was a satanist maybe...or big pharma CEO, or BP executive, or obama) and would also risk my life if it was a child or younger person or someone who I knew was a good man or woman, even if they are of the faith. But I will never see it as any more than an affliction.
I understand where you are coming from, but you should understand where I am coming from as well. I see our entire life as a spiritual war with the single purpose that you do your best to save a few souls from hell before you die and go onto glory...thats it, muslims are seeking to take people to hell...so to me, they are just as deadly and of a risk(spiritually and eternally) as Nazis....take a minute out to understand the spiritual warfare aspect. And forgive me for my own tight views.They are dragging peoples souls into eternal damnation, kinda makes them not easy to be fond of as well...
Now as for the jerry springer aspect, AMERICA IS NO LONGER A CHRISTIAN NATION... that stopped when the damn liberals(i know not just them) really started turning it into a disgusting homo-filled wasteland of filth,porn, and special rights groups. Australia as far as I know is the only remaining nation that claims national Christian faith. If I am not mistaken.
As for America, I am beginning to believe it is the great whore lol.
I would prefer to drop the subject though.
06-14-2010, 12:11 AM
How about the KKK? Oh wait, those are good christians right?
How about the Crusades? Oh wait, that was in the past so it doesn't count.
How about The Lord's Resistance Army, who has been accused of many crimes against humanity? Oh right, it's not in America so it doesn't count.
You know that the Nazi's were radical christians right? Oh right...past again.
Crusade 2: 1147 - Christians attempt to take damascus, failed
Crusade 3: 1187 - Saladin conquers Jerusalem, FYI he is muslim. Civilians are not harmed and churches remain standing
Crusade 4: 1202 - Christians sack constantinople, a christian city. This is the split between roman catholic and greek orthodox churches.
Crusade 5: 1217 - Christians attempt to take jerusalem through Egypt. They get defeated at Cairo, and a muslim counter-attack ends with the christians surrender.
Crusade 6: 1228 - Christians took control of Jerusalem through diplomacy
Crusade 7: 1248 - Christians storm Jerusalem. They are defeated by the muslims within 48 hours in gaza.
Crusade 8: 1270 - Nothing happened, Louis IX died 2 months into it.
Crusade 9: 1271 - Edward I led a failed expidition. Crusades are done.
I cliff-noted it for you since you are unable to do your own research. Out of all the crusades, most failed. Christians took Jerusalem once by force, and once by diplomacy. Muslims took everything back. Also notice how the christians started the crusades. Muslims did not invade anything, the pope in rome just decided that the world should be christian, and started the crusades. This is fact, but I am sure you will have some stupid ass retort.
End rant. I refuse to respond to you until you start using some sense and facts in your argument. You did use the prison census, and I commend you for that, but every single other thing you have said has just been pure prejudice and bigotry. I'll be the big boy and let this die...
Argentina, Costa Rica, Liechenstein, Malta, Monaco, The Vatican, Greece, Finland, Denmark, Iceland, Norway, England, Scotland.
You are mistaken, and a 2 second google search could have saved face for you.
And I have no idea how you are so religous as to hate all other religions but misquote the bible...
06-14-2010, 04:22 AM
getting back to the footage:
Looking at the footage I must agree. Those activist shouldn't have attacked soldiers with metal poles. If I was one of them I'd probably shoot as well..
06-14-2010, 04:32 PM
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For reference, next time you are pulled over for any reason, please attack the police officer with a metal pole, and see if your outcome differs from the Marmara.
06-14-2010, 04:40 PM
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And btw, Reuters was caught editing photos from the deck of the marmara: in both photos, you see different idf soldiers laying bloody on the ground, and peoples legs and feet appear in the pictures. In one, you see someones hand with a large bloody knife in it, standing over the soldier, and in the other, a hand on the railing of the ship with a different bloody knife.
For those who believe they were justified in attacking the soldiers: 1) the idf was legally within its rights to board, 2) the marmara was breaking the law by approaching the barricade, 3) the marmara was warned of the consequences of trying to cross the blockade before they ever left turkey, on the way, and multiple times during that night before they boarded.
They are allowed to try to cross the blockade, just as you or I can make the choice to drive 90mph on the freeway. But we all know the consequences of our actions. They should've used passive resistance on board the marmara, not terrorist tactics (and actual terrorists with ties to global jihad/al qaeda. That totally erodes any point they were trying to make.
06-14-2010, 05:50 PM
You make very good points Votum! But so does Zero, and both of you are right.. Kind of. I am part Jordanian and in the military. I am not racist by any mean, but I am justified at being prejudice based on ATTITUDE, not color or religion. The majority of Arabs/Muslims that I know, and trust me, I know a lot, especially since half of my family is Arab, are not decent people; they indecent, rude, violent, loud, abusive and selfish.. I cant stand that half of my family!!! And I think the majority of Non Jew Arabs in general are anti Jew, from what I have seen and im talking about Christian Arabs and Muslim Arabs! Again, you cant call me racist or biased.. BECAUSE I am an Arab!
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