Teleprompter vs hand notes.. LOL

[buuzer0]

The sky isn't falling, if you look at the progression of things since I was a teenager (in the dark ages), The sky fell a long time ago. My point it that it's hard to get out of **** when the toilet was clogged before you got there. Frankly I'm sick of all of the back and forth and I've been at this when the most important thing to most of you was Mario getting coins

Hey man, don't you disrespect one of the great heroes of my generation. If it weren't for Mario and Luigi you'd be up to your neck in goombas right now!

[AE14]

Well the toilet was clogged and overflowing from the clinton era..but bush didnt play the blame game...reguardless of your vierw of him he still showed viable leadership triats the obama has not even attemted to show...responsibility and accountabillity..and mrs obama called barack a great leader becuase he stayed the course his first year..well bushe stayed the course for eight. if obama was a stripper he would be called an artist for it, but if bush was..he would be called a *********, well we all know. but that is the biggest problem with telepromotor obama that people cant stand...he has gotten a pass on everything.

not being pro either party here (as they both are awful) Bush and leadership skills? Kind of like Bush and public speaking skills

[AE14]

I try not to get overly involved here with regards to politics, as discussing that is quite futile imo.

However, you make a lot of very damning statements about a President who has been in office just over 1 year, but offer no evidence for any of it. Care to expand upon it?

[Jeremy Brown]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tJjNVVwRCY"]YouTube- Bill O'Reilly Flips Out[/ame]




BAHAHAHA!! F*UCKING THING SUCKS!!!

make sure you watch until the very end for his little tantrum..

[Vance]

I try not to get overly involved here with regards to politics, as discussing that is quite futile imo.

However, you make a lot of very damning statements about a President who has been in office just over 1 year, but offer no evidence for any of it. Care to expand upon it?

+1.

I've read a lot of dogma and rhetoric so far in this thread. Not to mention it looks like a corn field in here with the number of straw man arguements both sides are throwing up.

To say Obama should've listened at the GOP when the republicans have flatly refused to state a viable position on something like healthcare (Under the infinitely questionable, "It's a trap" defense) and when the healthcare issue has been derailed by people who fail to see the irony in comparing Obama to Hitler (A fascist, that's an ultra right wing form of government for those who are hard of thinking) while at the same time saying his goals are deeply rooted in Marxism and socialist mythology (Which is a left wing form of government) and throwing around ridiculous notions of death panels and such while Glenn Beck cries because he "loves his country but he's afraid" in order to ensure that YOUR tax dollars are paying every politician in the country to achieve exactly **** for the next 3 plus years demonstrates your political leanings and nothing else.

If I was a US tax payer like you guys I would be absolutely LIVID at the whole ****ing lot of them. They are all just as useless as each other. No exceptions.

**** the tea party and their left wing equivalents who are only interested in grinding their own axe while ignoring the realities of life for so many americans. You should all be holding your individual senators and congressmen to task regardless of their political affiliation for pissing the last 12 months away thumbing their noses at each other across large richly appointed rooms while your industry, financial sector and economy burn down around their ears.

There are much bigger issues at play in the US now than whether there's a red guy or a blue guy in the round room. You need your government to start governing.

That's my buck-o-five.

[Jayhawkk]

Palin is a moron... Regardless of notes or teleprompter debates, she does not belong on the political scene just because she has a certain point of view. She has no idea how anything works outside of those views and proves to be very ignorant.

[AE14]

+1.

I've read a lot of dogma and rhetoric so far in this thread. Not to mention it looks like a corn field in here with the number of straw man arguements both sides are throwing up.

To say Obama should've listened at the GOP when the republicans have flatly refused to state a viable position on something like healthcare (Under the infinitely questionable, "It's a trap" defense) and when the healthcare issue has been derailed by people who fail to see the irony in comparing Obama to Hitler (A fascist, that's an ultra right wing form of government for those who are hard of thinking) while at the same time saying his goals are deeply rooted in Marxism and socialist mythology (Which is a left wing form of government) and throwing around ridiculous notions of death panels and such while Glenn Beck cries because he "loves his country but he's afraid" in order to ensure that YOUR tax dollars are paying every politician in the country to achieve exactly **** for the next 3 plus years demonstrates your political leanings and nothing else.

If I was a US tax payer like you guys I would be absolutely LIVID at the whole ****ing lot of them. They are all just as useless as each other. No exceptions.

**** the tea party and their left wing equivalents who are only interested in grinding their own axe while ignoring the realities of life for so many americans. You should all be holding your individual senators and congressmen to task regardless of their political affiliation for pissing the last 12 months away thumbing their noses at each other across large richly appointed rooms while your industry, financial sector and economy burn down around their ears.

There are much bigger issues at play in the US now than whether there's a red guy or a blue guy in the round room. You need your government to start governing.

That's my buck-o-five.

Couldnt agree more. To be so blinded by party affiliation at this point is ludicrous. At the end of the day, the fools in DC are all to blame regardless of what color tie they wear

[Fastone]

Hey man, don't you disrespect one of the great heroes of my generation. If it weren't for Mario and Luigi you'd be up to your neck in goombas right now!

Hahahahaha, good point

[Fastone]

Yeah ..he had those traits of leadership...i never said he was a great leader..but i compared the leadership qualities he showed to obamas lack of leadership qualities. yeah and bush and public speaking skills is like obama and honesty, or obama and transparency, or obama and liberty..patriotism, or or obama and evethying he is doing..lol..but dont confuse obama as a good public speaker..but better yet as a good public reader, well atleast when he doesnt read other spaekers telepromtor lines and thanking himself(which as egotistical as he is, with his arrogance he probably does wana thank himself,)

Please, GWB's so called leadership skills consisted of Cheny's hand up his ass like Edgar Bergen's was up Charlie McCarthy.

[DAdams91982]

All the way from the east to the west
We've got this high society looking down on this very foundation
Constantly reminding us that our actions are the cause of all their problems
Pointing the fingers in every direction
Blaming their own nation for who wins elections
They've never contributed a ****ing thing to the country they love to criticize

[Jayhawkk]

No liberal politicians are every wrong, as wrong or even more wrong than a conservative one? I don't care which side of the line you stand on, the end result is the same. Just because someone believes in some issues as you do, it in no way gives insight into who they really are... Doesn't even, for the most part, even prove they actually believe in what they run on.

[Vance]

look at his stimulus plan, gm bailout, aig bailout, unemployment, healthcare attempt with blantant bribing, consistent contemp of our nation and apologizing to the world like we messed it up, not taking the responsibility for anything, telling us to bucle down when he spends like crazy,

If you think the stimulus plan was 'spending like crazy' you evidently have little to no understanding of economics mate. If the bailout didn't happen you'd be seeing Detroit-esque unemployment across the majority of the US. It wasn't about bailing out banks, it's about having a financial system that runs on lending (debt), and when you remove the ability of anyone to lend, the system grinds to a halt and Rome burns. How you'd say Obama hasn't taken responsibility for the ****ty state of affairs when he took over an economy in ruins and has worked as hard as anyone in the globe to sort it out is to be one-eyed in the extreme.

Reforming healthcare in the US is about creating a system where a country who's healthcare system looks for every last **** in the room to suck (And it does) and yet costs more than any other healthcare system in the world (When many others work much, much better) is changed to cost *less* and deliver better outcomes. That isn't marxist, it's ****ing common sense. A public option isn't socialism, it's government by the people for the people. Something that people in the US don't seem to want (But more importantly understand) anymore. Next time someone uses the term "Marxist" to you, ask them what it means. Dollars to donuts they don't know, they don't know who Marx was and they haven't read any of his writings.

Seriously man, stop waiting for Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly to tell you what to think.

[AE14]

actually the economy wasnt in ruins when he took over.

remember during the campaign how McCain had to postpone his campaign to head to DC to deal with it?

Come on now

[JudoJosh]

It's interesting you mention the unnecessary spending and flying to hawaii considering the RNC just had their convention in Hawaii

[Vance]

yeah but a declining economy is not an economy in ruins....our economy now is more of an econmy in ruins..and i am just waitng to se what china is going to do now that mr. ego still met with the dahli lama anyways after the china leaders told him that if he did than they would be done with us and we would have to answer. and if our economy was in ruins, then why make our debt worse and spend money we dont have.. that makes as much since as a guy who just got laid of and has no unemployment truning around and buying a house and going to the bar everynight buying other peoples drinks and eating out 3 meals a day...because thats what deficit spending is right..spending money you dont have when you need to save it. just like how much since it makes for obama to keep telling us americans to tighten our belts and not to go to vegas when throws parties and cookouts with 100 dollar a pound steaks and flys himself and others to hawaii to play golf with friends....that sounds like he really leading by example...and it all comes out of our taxes.

Like I said buddy you need to do some reading on economics. You clearly don't like Obama and will quite happily snatch at any reason you can to bash him - however tenuous it might be.

Your assertion that the economy wasn't in ruins when Obama took over demonstrates that you know absolutely nothing about what you are talking about. You saying about 'counting jobs that weren't directly related to the stimulus as new jobs blah blah' again clearly demonstrates you have no understanding of how the economy impacts upon employment. In your little hotdog stand example, yes the stimulus did help that happen, unless you're talking about the only hotdog stand owner in the US without a shred of personal or business related debt. If the banks couldn't have leant the owner the money to start the business there would be no hotdog stand and ultimately no jobs.

Your assertion that the US healthcare system is good demonstrates only that you know nothing about that either. The US currently has a healthcare system built on a foundation of trying to find ways out of fixing people - at the maximum possible cost.

I don't say any of the above to beat up on you mate, only to really sincerely recommend that you go away and do some research on these things, irrespective of your political leanings. Facts are facts regardless of who's talking.

Like Josh just said, the republicans flew to Hawaii recently too, and you as a guy who was banging the drum about 'not praising one politican for one thing while damning another for the exact same thing' is just as guilty as anyone else is in doing just that.

[JudoJosh]

Did the RNC tell everyone to tighten their belts? Are you serious? LOL... One of the main things republicans are against is wastefull spending and are ALWAYS preaching to people to tighten their belts. I think it is the RNC motto.. LOL

[DAdams91982]

Did the RNC tell everyone to tighten their belts? Are you serious? LOL... One of the main things republicans are against is wastefull spending and are ALWAYS preaching to people to tighten their belts. I think it is the RNC motto.. LOL

Wait, you do understand that the RNC doesn't charge flights to the Tax budget correct?

[DAdams91982]

Like I said buddy you need to do some reading on economics. You clearly don't like Obama and will quite happily snatch at any reason you can to bash him - however tenuous it might be.

Your assertion that the economy wasn't in ruins when Obama took over demonstrates that you know absolutely nothing about what you are talking about. You saying about 'counting jobs that weren't directly related to the stimulus as new jobs blah blah' again clearly demonstrates you have no understanding of how the economy impacts upon employment. In your little hotdog stand example, yes the stimulus did help that happen, unless you're talking about the only hotdog stand owner in the US without a shred of personal or business related debt. If the banks couldn't have leant the owner the money to start the business there would be no hotdog stand and ultimately no jobs.

Your assertion that the US healthcare system is good demonstrates only that you know nothing about that either. The US currently has a healthcare system built on a foundation of trying to find ways out of fixing people - at the maximum possible cost.

I don't say any of the above to beat up on you mate, only to really sincerely recommend that you go away and do some research on these things, irrespective of your political leanings. Facts are facts regardless of who's talking.

Like Josh just said, the republicans flew to Hawaii recently too, and you as a guy who was banging the drum about 'not praising one politican for one thing while damning another for the exact same thing' is just as guilty as anyone else is in doing just that.

Your posts do make me crack a smile. Your assertion of economies impact on jobs is somewhat skewed, considering jobs impact economy in a ten fold fashion, not the reverse.

As for the economy in ruins, that began all the way back to carter with the CRA, and given new legs by Clinton, and completely ignored by Bush, and now exacerbated by Obama.

[Trauma1]

Your posts do make me crack a smile. Your assertion of economies impact on jobs is somewhat skewed, considering jobs impact economy in a ten fold fashion, not the reverse.

As for the economy in ruins, that began all the way back to carter with the CRA, and given new legs by Clinton, and completely ignored by Bush, and now exacerbated by Obama.

Earthworm Jim?! Legendary you are my brother...

[Vance]

Your posts do make me crack a smile. Your assertion of economies impact on jobs is somewhat skewed, considering jobs impact economy in a ten fold fashion, not the reverse.

That statement is utter nonsense mate. There is a circular relationship between employment and an economy, you do not have one without the other.