- 01-19-2010, 03:21 PM
- 01-20-2010, 07:45 AM
01-20-2010, 08:00 AM
Losing the Mass senate seat for the first time in what, thirty or more years now? Good grief.
I don't know what I'm looking forward to more, the way Obama and his idiots try and spin this as not significant, or the cluster **** the Republicans are going to cause when they get back in power in 2012 and think they have a 'mandate' to go to NeoCon bat**** extremes.
01-20-2010, 08:54 AM
01-20-2010, 10:59 AM
Im pretty sure this illustrates the clear disillusionment with both parties as how voters turned on each of them so quickly, in a butt****ing homo state like Massachusets no less...libertarians? This is your time now?
01-20-2010, 11:48 AM
its amazing to think that a 3rd party actually has a chance now
01-20-2010, 02:20 PM
And I don't think a third party has a chance, Easy. The back end machinery of the elections like who gets in the debates, how the districts are decided, etc., the two majors control it. All of it, every ****ing shred of it. And even if a third party candidate gets some momentum, the press will rip them apart because they're not one of the majors and the press won't sacrifice their precious access by offending one of the major parties too much.
No, what's going to happen now is the veil of democracy is going to be slowly pulled away and some nice feel good fascism will go in place for a while. It'll start with the comromise version of health care reform, which means all the Republican special interests will get greased along side the Democrat ones who've already gotten greased. The tax payer wil be even worse off. The resulting bill and subsequent actions will start taking away choices in the name of expanding choices, limiting freedom in the name of expanding freedom, and killing opportunities in the name of greater opportunity for all.
A third party can only work when the people actually want one. I'm sad to say, most of the people in the US don't want one, and don't want freedom either. They want to **** the other guy as much as possible for their own benefit. Now begins the slow process of increased government victimization over time of all people so eventually, ten or twenty years down the line, enough people will see the government and its special interest masters as their enemy, and then a third party will be viable. It will be viable because enough people won't give a **** about it's policies so much as they just want the existing parties off their ****ing backs.
So, sorry to say, we've got a long haul in front of us of significantly more bull****.
01-20-2010, 02:23 PM
I was more thinking 3rd party solely in house/senate/governor positions, but it could be the start of a larger movement
01-20-2010, 03:12 PM
01-20-2010, 03:42 PM
01-20-2010, 04:46 PM
I actually think we might see more indy candidates making a run as a "centrist" with greater success
01-20-2010, 05:58 PM
If 3rd party voters and candidates want to be taken seriously and actually influence an election they should follow the Ron Paul method. Find the major party with the closest ideology to your own and get involved at the grass roots level.
How many of you have actually attended a BPOU? During the Pres. nominations the Ron Paul supporters literally overwhelmed our local GOP caucuses; they showed up en mass and became delegates. Suddenly, the same people who have been picking the candidates for the last 30 years HAD to listen, and engage in debate on Pauls' Libertarian, Anti-War platform.
And the result? He took second in our vote, not to shabby. (BTW, I did not vote for him)
Now you cant change the system overnight but do you know what will happen if that keeps up? Some of those "behind closed doors" meetings might involve the old brass having to make concessions to the former 3rd party folks who had no voice. And eventually the former 3rd party candidate could have the nomination of a major party and win an election.
Or they can keep doing what there doing and get One half of One percent of the vote.
(and yes, I know all about Jesse Ventura, Ross Perot and Joe Lieberman, this post was about building from the grass roots level. Pointing out that well known, or wealthy people have beat the odds a few times in 225 years hardly proves a point)
01-20-2010, 07:28 PM
01-21-2010, 07:15 AM
Most people don't want a third party. They still think the two majors can work somehow, and most of the people still fall for the 'wasted vote' fallacy because they've never bothered to think about it for more than two seconds and ask themselves what they actually gain by voting for a major party candidate with whom they disagree.
01-21-2010, 07:24 AM
This is a direct kick to the balls of Obama and his crew and anyone who says different is in ****ing la la land. What it is not however is an endorsement of John McCain, Mitt Romney, or any other NeoCon run of the mill bat**** Republican style moronics. But, that's how the Reps will take it, and they'll **** up just as bad next time around and get a kick to the balls just as hard as this one. Maybe they'll start a few more wars, or more likely they'll just show all the fiscal restraint they showed last time they were in power and run up a bill that won't be paid until the ****ing sun implodes.
No, the much ado about nothing is the repeating circle jerk called Election Day where people send the same lying, incompetent, corrupt pieces of **** to office while still expecting something different from the previous 80 times or so they sent the same pricks to DC. And the only change will be when those *******s get voted out and replaced by a third party, or when those pricks get shot and replaced by a third party. There's really no other options at this point. When the Republicans get in after Obama's **** up they're going to mortgage our future yet again, and instead of selling it to the unions and trailer park welfare trash they'll sell it to Halliburton and corporate welfare trash. And we'll be oh so much better off for it of course...
01-21-2010, 07:26 AM
01-21-2010, 08:53 AM
01-21-2010, 09:03 AM
stop depressing me cdb I'm still optimistic that "hope and change" can work in the public's actual favor
01-21-2010, 12:51 PM
01-21-2010, 10:23 PM
01-26-2010, 06:21 AM
Living here in Mass, I can tell you Coakley put on a crap campaign. All she really did was smear Scott Brown, and we even got phone calls of recordings from Obama & Bill Clinton, telling us to vote for Coakley. Kind of annoying. Brown's ads were much more of "She's attacking me, but let's talk about the issues..." Seemed to fare well with people I know.
01-26-2010, 07:45 AM
01-26-2010, 09:42 AM
01-26-2010, 10:03 AM
01-26-2010, 10:07 AM
I think overall the only people who enjoy attack ads against your competition are those who are already in your party.
01-26-2010, 10:45 AM
01-26-2010, 10:47 AM
01-26-2010, 01:38 PM
Democrat Bill Owens defeated Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman in New York's 23rd congressional district special election, 49%-45% (with 92% of the voting in), becoming the first Democrat to control the district since at least the 1890s.
01-26-2010, 02:06 PM
01-26-2010, 02:10 PM
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