So my live-in girlfriend's older sister came home for Christmas...
- 12-25-2009, 12:18 PM
So my live-in girlfriend's older sister came home for Christmas...
It was the first time meeting her because she’s currently a music teacher in Indonesia. I meet her for the first time at dinner and a discussion comes on about the health care bill. I state something along the lines of "I hope they pay close attention prior to the final passage". She says it sounds like I listen to Fox and goes on how everyone deserves free health care. i said it isn't free AND at the moment the numbers used as 'uninsured" are a bit misleading. For one, it includes people not legally here and two; it makes it sound as if they can't be treated without health care"
Okay. Round two, FIGHT!
Then starts by saying we have the worst healthcare in the world... So I ask why we so many people from other parts of the world coming here to learn and even practice medicine. She answers "because we're using them"
I drink some more wine and decide if this is a smart idea but the wine takes over.
Round three, FI (hiccup) GHT!
I ask why would someone specialize and further their education in advanced fields of medicine without certain gains being there to do so. She says, what money? I say, of course! I said, a neurosurgeon isn't going to be too happy making roughly the same as a general practitioner but having to devote so much more of their life. She told me they don't and they pretty much have the same training...
"What the ****" came out of my mouth at this time while I briefly sobered up enough to back off.
I added in a quick "how can government blame the mass foreclosures on people as a result of confusing loan and mortgage contracts that they couldn't be expected to understand" admitting that most people are reckless and irresponsible in their decision making process but will rush a healthcare bill through faster than I can buy a house and use the people's knowledge as a backing force on why it should be passed"
She said that Congress are educated and know how to do it and all of the major screw ups in the world are because of Republicans (I’m Independent lol). I asked where in the Constitution there is a requirement for education and knowledge to be a member of Congress...
Due to a stare from my future mom in law I decided to call it quits but I am patient!
I'm talking with moms in law (her and her hubby are very conservative republicans) and global warming came up and knowing the crazy woman was in the next room I stated my opinion as neutral as I thought I could to avoid being stabbed in the throat with a trombone. I said, "I'm not quite sure where I stand on this or level of impact but just like many other areas of science, sometimes it changes since it wasn't too long ago they thought the earth was cooling" She comes darting from the next room yelling that every scientist in the world knows there's global warming and we're causing it and I don't know what i'm talking about... I said "man, we're really never going to like each other"
In a different conversation I asked how her pay was handled working in IND as an American and..............
She says she pays almost no tax and the IND government provides housing, maid, healthcare, food and she spends a lot of money flying from country to country buying stuff and is flying back this weekend to go to Bali for New Year's.
So as a final nail I had to say "Typical of liberal hypocrites who want everyone else to suffer and pay for the exact thing they refuse to follow. It must be nice to know the best for everyone else and championing global warming while flying all over the world to buy a pair of pants in a cute boutique but i should of realized that as soon as i was told you were a music teacher living in IND"
- 12-25-2009, 01:52 PM
Some people just love to argue, not debate. They will never see the other side of the coin, as something to take in to account, or even coincideration, until affected by it and left to figure it out. Another thing why is it that the wingnuts watch and listen to FOX for political news? seems a lil more like spoon fed propaganda to distract people from what is actually going on. FOX is like a magic show, plenty of slide of hand and wayward embelishments to control the viewers point of view. dont get me wrong i love the Simpsons, but their news should just stick to the car chases, and other fantasticly comical crap. Im just glad to see that the impeech Obama didnt come up over dinner, lol. Well, at least now you know what to get that gurl for future gifts lol, socks and sum birkenstocks. AHAHAHA. Another thing you know you can always look forward to a lil excitement at he holiday table.
Debate is great, just keep the facts straight.
- 12-25-2009, 02:00 PM
The thing is i'm fine listeing to a point of view and adding to the picture because sometimes it does change but when she told me some of these things as fact i figured there was no point.
12-25-2009, 02:18 PM
Thinking about this a lil more, and i figure her to be about the 24-32 age range am i right? reason I ask this is because of the way she came from another room for some agruing, like she was needing to be the center of attention, as well as I bet you are older than your gurlfriend, and the older sis might been taken back by how much she found you attractive(not being gay), so arguing might have been a way to be heated around ya?
12-25-2009, 02:26 PM
Ugh, been there before. I consider myself to be a liberal, but I put personal accountability higher than anything. If she's so adamant about something, then she should get off her ass and do something to better the situation. How much charity work has she been doing since she's obviously in a much better position than 99% of the people in the world?
M.Ed. Ex Phys
12-25-2009, 02:26 PM
12-25-2009, 02:37 PM
She said something while walking off but i'm not too sure what it was. if you watch Family guy, Brian's girlfriend played by Drew Barrymore explains here voice (sounds like she's asking a question when making a statement)
She's 30 and i'm 34 and my gf is 29. I even tried to compliment her on her piano work (it was excellent, even on a old out of tune piano) but apparently showed my lack of culture when I didn't recognize the piece by Bach (it's common EVERYbody knows it)
I give lol
12-25-2009, 02:47 PM
12-25-2009, 02:56 PM
12-25-2009, 03:27 PM
12-25-2009, 03:39 PM
I suppose she could be, yeah. All three are attractive but I would rate her third. However, she effectively taken any hotness away in my eyes with that personality.
12-25-2009, 03:44 PM
12-25-2009, 03:47 PM
LOL, yeah that would of crossed my mind too at one point but that fantasy went out the window the day I was "family' according to their parents.
12-25-2009, 03:49 PM
12-25-2009, 03:51 PM
Like the Uncle that wants you to sit on his lap, creepy?
Okay, putting that one back in the closet and only letting it back out during my next session. :P
12-26-2009, 08:49 PM
I understand that people makes mistakes but the last time i talked to a news anchor, he told me that when the story is best then that is what they report regardless if they have something else that sounds more factual yet not as "juicy"...
---The internet is the father of the electronic lynch-mob---
12-26-2009, 08:50 PM
12-26-2009, 11:27 PM
On the last few posts, John Stewart showed a few clips of Fox's report on a Sarah Palin support rally where Fox used old footage to make the rally seem more well-attended than actuality. Both right-wing and left-wing networks make false representations to placate their base.
ANY report is going to be presented with a slanted basis. Whether it is an 'unbiased' documentary, like Michael Moore's stuff (jk), or a Fox's news report, the personnel collecting and presenting the facts will have a personal perspective and that will bleed into the report. I'm no expert but, as a video-graphic hobbyist, I took a few college courses on the subject and had two different profs who said there is NO such thing as an unbiased presentation.
Back.... for real this time
12-28-2009, 04:48 AM
Aww doesn't family make life worth living especially when it is family u acquire in the middle of ur life.
12-28-2009, 06:01 AM
12-28-2009, 06:12 AM
Great first impression.
She was right about the healthcare thing though. It is terrible in the States compared to elsewhere. It should always be free.
12-28-2009, 06:24 AM
Here's to your health care bill!
Look at all these little kids takin' care of the music biz don't their bus'ness take good care of me...
12-28-2009, 06:45 AM
12-28-2009, 07:39 AM
12-28-2009, 08:18 AM
No, I suspect the problem, in the eyes of such people, is two-fold. One, the liberal news media have lost their gate keeper status as deliverers of fact. Two, conservatives used to have to rely on citations to obscure think tanks to get their message out, now Fox has put itself into the mix as a legitimate news source that gets that message out as much as the major networks used to get the message out for groups like NOW without letting on that NOW was slightly to the left of Stalin in its politics. In the eighties this woman Jay is dealing with would have considered well informed and educated. Now there's more legitimacy in questioning her and her ilk, and the bottom line is they don't like that and are now more strident than ever. The funny part is if the MSM up until Fox hadn't pissed off so many conservatives and kept their reporting honest and on point and somewhat objective, Fox never would have happened. They created the Fox audience.
Good luck, Jay. I've avoided relationships due to such people being in the mix before. There is a strategy for dealing with such people though if you must; get as educated as possible on a topic you know she's full of **** on and, if it comes up, ask her a highly specific/technical question. It's worked for me on climate change. Any time some dip**** starts speaking The Truth about the subject I ask them for the average CRN ratings of temperature stations, pacific decadal occilation, or something like that. They may go blank, they may get even more strident and revert back to basic talking points for whatever party they're a part of, but bottom line is they and you, and everyone else who sees their response, knows they're full of **** at that point. And they're usually not all gung ho to argue with you next time you see them. So if you must, do the above, and whatever points you lose familywise will likely be balanced out by the fact that she won't be running from room to room to engage you in 'debates' anymore. It's a form of the peace through superior fire power method.
12-28-2009, 08:55 AM
Also please recheck your facts about quality of care and quit pulling your data from the socialized biased WHO.
The Historic PES Legend
12-28-2009, 10:01 AM
The US has a lower life expectancy because we have a greater tendency to do stupid ****, like bunji jump or drive exceedingly fast, things which have no relevance to the quality of healthcare. We also bring a hell of a lot more problematic pregnancies to term because of our aversion to abortion and because our healthcare system allows for the birth of kids who would otherwise be still born or miscarraiges elsewhere, which contributes to a higher infant mortality in the US because of better healthcare. And we've managed to do all that in spite of a largely socialized single payer/third party corporate sponsored payment system.
12-28-2009, 10:20 AM
12-28-2009, 10:56 AM
This just reminds me why I never bring up politics! Nice mid-thread aside CrazyChemist btw.
12-28-2009, 11:22 AM
12-28-2009, 01:55 PM
I had a small thing like this with a legal alein at my work. He told me he didnt like McCain because all McCain wanted to help is rich people. I asked him who payed the vast majority of taxes in this country. He said everyone. I explained the rich pay practically all the taxes and then I asked what have the poor done to deserve help? He said, but the rich dont need it and should pay more! I asked him if the place we worked should let the poor people pay less since they have less money. If we should give the poor people that walk in 20% off just for being poor. He didnt know what to say and I walked off. The only reason poor people get anything is their vote is equal to a rich persons.
That said, Ive talked to girls before and had them add me on some social networking site and see my views as conservative and some pages like Vote GOP Texas etc and stop talking to me all together. Tolerance at its finest.
12-28-2009, 01:57 PM
12-28-2009, 02:08 PM
I think I need to take a trip up north lol. The things I couldnt stand about Canada would be the cold, crazy prices on supps limitations, and health care.
12-28-2009, 03:59 PM
I actually plan to gain enough weight that I qualify as my own nation. Any who want can then colonize me, and as a God out of the machine I will enforce a strict hands off, libertarian ideal. I can't wait to see who homesteads my ass.
12-29-2009, 11:26 AM
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12-29-2009, 03:16 PM
12-29-2009, 03:21 PM
12-29-2009, 08:07 PM
12-29-2009, 08:31 PM
But yeah jay, its like most of the hyper-liberals, they have no clue because they've never really had to work, never really had to struggle and never have to live by their own rules. Sure Ted Kennedy fought for healthcare, but like he ever had to work a day in his life?
It seems like the more liberal they are, the less they understand math, which is why they like universal health care. The health care bill limits the amount of premiums that can go towards administrative costs and guess what? Most of the major insurance companies already have their admin costs as low as half that. So that means they won't have to change policies, their profit won't go down, and what they charge won't go down either. Not exactly a win for the public, as now it allows them to actually charge more to get a higher profit, and still fall into government guidelines. Plus with the changes to the care they have to provide, it will raise premiums even more.
If the government raised minimum wage to $25/hr, what would happen? Prices on the McDonalds menu would go up 50-100%, the price of gas and soda and haircuts and everything else would go up by by significant amounts, and after part of that new money goes to taxes the people who were making minimum wage wouldn't be significantly better off, but the people who used to make $29/hr would be screwed.
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