So my live-in girlfriend's older sister came home for Christmas...

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Australian made View Post
    Great first impression.

    She was right about the healthcare thing though. It is terrible in the States compared to elsewhere. It should always be free.
    What makes it terrible? Because it isn't socialized? Healthcare isn't free in one place in this world. Just because your ass isn't paying for it, doesn't mean someone else isn't.

    Also please recheck your facts about quality of care and quit pulling your data from the socialized biased WHO.
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    What makes it terrible? Because it isn't socialized? Healthcare isn't free in one place in this world. Just because your ass isn't paying for it, doesn't mean someone else isn't.

    Also please recheck your facts about quality of care and quit pulling your data from the socialized biased WHO.
    If you dig into that last WHO report, the US actually has more or less the best survival rates for most diseases and the most 'responsive' healthcare system. There are just a couple sections where the authors do idiotic things like use life expectancy and infant mortality to grade the healthcare system, and also rate single payer systems higher by default when comparing payment schemes, which then contributes to the overall 'winning' grade for socialist healthcare systems even though people tend to die sooner of diseases there.

    The US has a lower life expectancy because we have a greater tendency to do stupid ****, like bunji jump or drive exceedingly fast, things which have no relevance to the quality of healthcare. We also bring a hell of a lot more problematic pregnancies to term because of our aversion to abortion and because our healthcare system allows for the birth of kids who would otherwise be still born or miscarraiges elsewhere, which contributes to a higher infant mortality in the US because of better healthcare. And we've managed to do all that in spite of a largely socialized single payer/third party corporate sponsored payment system.
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  3. Ah, the lovely warm holiday get togethers. Gotta love it

  4. This just reminds me why I never bring up politics! Nice mid-thread aside CrazyChemist btw.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Steveoph View Post
    This just reminds me why I never bring up politics! Nice mid-thread aside CrazyChemist btw.
    I always do. They say it's a relationship killer and I guess that's true, but I'd rather get it out in the open and know whether or not I can tolerate the views of the person I'm with, and they can tolerate mine. Otherwise what's the point of being with them, if just to get blindsided by some rant/action sometime in the future?
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  6. I had a small thing like this with a legal alein at my work. He told me he didnt like McCain because all McCain wanted to help is rich people. I asked him who payed the vast majority of taxes in this country. He said everyone. I explained the rich pay practically all the taxes and then I asked what have the poor done to deserve help? He said, but the rich dont need it and should pay more! I asked him if the place we worked should let the poor people pay less since they have less money. If we should give the poor people that walk in 20% off just for being poor. He didnt know what to say and I walked off. The only reason poor people get anything is their vote is equal to a rich persons.

    That said, Ive talked to girls before and had them add me on some social networking site and see my views as conservative and some pages like Vote GOP Texas etc and stop talking to me all together. Tolerance at its finest.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by CDB View Post
    I always do. They say it's a relationship killer and I guess that's true, but I'd rather get it out in the open and know whether or not I can tolerate the views of the person I'm with, and they can tolerate mine. Otherwise what's the point of being with them, if just to get blindsided by some rant/action sometime in the future?
    Fair point. I don't bring it up, but if they're very opinionated I'm sure they will bring it forward. I have a rough handle on international politics and events, and know when I stand on major issues like abortion, CP and euthanasia but am pretty open. I don't know if it's a Canadian thing, but politics rarely comes up, and if it does we talk about Obama

  8. I think I need to take a trip up north lol. The things I couldnt stand about Canada would be the cold, crazy prices on supps limitations, and health care.

  9. I actually plan to gain enough weight that I qualify as my own nation. Any who want can then colonize me, and as a God out of the machine I will enforce a strict hands off, libertarian ideal. I can't wait to see who homesteads my ass.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    What makes it terrible? Because it isn't socialized? Healthcare isn't free in one place in this world. Just because your ass isn't paying for it, doesn't mean someone else isn't.

    Also please recheck your facts about quality of care and quit pulling your data from the socialized biased WHO.
    If i dont pay for it, it is free.

    I have no idea what a WHO is....

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Australian made View Post
    If i dont pay for it, it is free.

    I have no idea what a WHO is....
    Exactly the problem with the entitled thinking of this world generation, as long as it isn't coming out of your pocket book right?
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by Australian made View Post
    yes mam
    witty
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by CDB View Post
    I always do. They say it's a relationship killer and I guess that's true, but I'd rather get it out in the open and know whether or not I can tolerate the views of the person I'm with, and they can tolerate mine. Otherwise what's the point of being with them, if just to get blindsided by some rant/action sometime in the future?
    That's what I do now and tested my girlfriend prior to us dating. She really isn't in to politics or the debating aspect but she doesn't have any preconceived whacko ideas floating about and that's all I care about at this point :P

  14. Quote Originally Posted by CrazyChemist View Post
    Yeah..... thats a shame..... I don't know where I was going with that. I'm just on a lot of test right now so libido is ridiculous. I was thinking some sort of sister-sister threesome but..... that has nothing to do with your post.
    I was sorta hoping it was a pornocchio when I saw the thread title.

    But yeah jay, its like most of the hyper-liberals, they have no clue because they've never really had to work, never really had to struggle and never have to live by their own rules. Sure Ted Kennedy fought for healthcare, but like he ever had to work a day in his life?

    It seems like the more liberal they are, the less they understand math, which is why they like universal health care. The health care bill limits the amount of premiums that can go towards administrative costs and guess what? Most of the major insurance companies already have their admin costs as low as half that. So that means they won't have to change policies, their profit won't go down, and what they charge won't go down either. Not exactly a win for the public, as now it allows them to actually charge more to get a higher profit, and still fall into government guidelines. Plus with the changes to the care they have to provide, it will raise premiums even more.

    If the government raised minimum wage to $25/hr, what would happen? Prices on the McDonalds menu would go up 50-100%, the price of gas and soda and haircuts and everything else would go up by by significant amounts, and after part of that new money goes to taxes the people who were making minimum wage wouldn't be significantly better off, but the people who used to make $29/hr would be screwed.

  15. WHO= World Health Organization = socialist UN equivalent for ""world health"

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Australian made View Post
    If i dont pay for it, it is free.

    I have no idea what a WHO is....
    Do you know what VAT is? then you are paying for it.

    this bottle of tequila is 46 pounds in the UK (around 73 USD)

    http://www.gerrys.uk.com/CatalogueAndCartOct07.aspx

    but 34 US dollars in the US

    http://www.napacabs.com/Sauza-Plata-...0ml-P3622.aspx

    So you are paying for it you just don't realize it.

  17. I just want to see all the politicians get in the gym and pick up some weights. Maybe if everyone had 'legs' day, our pride in being right would take a bow and some solutions could be found.

    Arnold for president haha

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Australian made View Post
    If i dont pay for it, it is free.

    I have no idea what a WHO is....
    World Health Organization. And if you don't pay for it, it is not free. Someone else still has to pay. Hence, not 'free'...

    What you're really saying is you're okay with the government forcing other people to buy **** for you. Which is a point of view I guess, but trying to hide it behind BS strikes me as a bit disingenuous.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Ivan Valdez View Post
    sounds like a typical dumb leftwing whore
    Not typical, no. Typical is just stupid. The vzeal with which this woman seems to want to insert herself into 'debates' is worrying. Sounds like the type who would do her best to poison a relationship if it took her fancy or if she took a severe dislike to Jay for some reason some day. Even if his girl is sound in the head, it's stress for both of them in the future when this bitch turns sour.

  20. I told my girlfriend after the second argument that I can't stand her sister and I hope that isn't a problem for us. She basically said no big deal, it's not like she had been treated any better by her...

    I mean, she did ask her when we were moving into a 'better place'. Although she's only lived on her own twice and both times were with a roomate and short lived due to finances not being handled properly.

  21. Jay I loved this post. Made me laugh big time. I feel sorry for you during the holidays now! LOL
    My brothers wife is very liberal like this and the same sort of things happens when they come in (they live in St Louis and we are in NC). Bad thing is, my brother is just like her now. And the rest of the family can be considered rather conservative.

  22. Ah the left wing...never fails to eventually bring down all great civilizations.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Jayhawkk View Post
    she's only lived on her own twice and both times were with a roomate and short lived due to finances not being handled properly.
    Figures.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Australian made View Post
    If i dont pay for it, it is free.




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