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  1. I had a small thing like this with a legal alein at my work. He told me he didnt like McCain because all McCain wanted to help is rich people. I asked him who payed the vast majority of taxes in this country. He said everyone. I explained the rich pay practically all the taxes and then I asked what have the poor done to deserve help? He said, but the rich dont need it and should pay more! I asked him if the place we worked should let the poor people pay less since they have less money. If we should give the poor people that walk in 20% off just for being poor. He didnt know what to say and I walked off. The only reason poor people get anything is their vote is equal to a rich persons.

    That said, Ive talked to girls before and had them add me on some social networking site and see my views as conservative and some pages like Vote GOP Texas etc and stop talking to me all together. Tolerance at its finest.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by CDB View Post
    I always do. They say it's a relationship killer and I guess that's true, but I'd rather get it out in the open and know whether or not I can tolerate the views of the person I'm with, and they can tolerate mine. Otherwise what's the point of being with them, if just to get blindsided by some rant/action sometime in the future?
    Fair point. I don't bring it up, but if they're very opinionated I'm sure they will bring it forward. I have a rough handle on international politics and events, and know when I stand on major issues like abortion, CP and euthanasia but am pretty open. I don't know if it's a Canadian thing, but politics rarely comes up, and if it does we talk about Obama
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  3. I think I need to take a trip up north lol. The things I couldnt stand about Canada would be the cold, crazy prices on supps limitations, and health care.

  4. I actually plan to gain enough weight that I qualify as my own nation. Any who want can then colonize me, and as a God out of the machine I will enforce a strict hands off, libertarian ideal. I can't wait to see who homesteads my ass.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    What makes it terrible? Because it isn't socialized? Healthcare isn't free in one place in this world. Just because your ass isn't paying for it, doesn't mean someone else isn't.

    Also please recheck your facts about quality of care and quit pulling your data from the socialized biased WHO.
    If i dont pay for it, it is free.

    I have no idea what a WHO is....
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Australian made View Post
    If i dont pay for it, it is free.

    I have no idea what a WHO is....
    Exactly the problem with the entitled thinking of this world generation, as long as it isn't coming out of your pocket book right?
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by Australian made View Post
    yes mam
    witty
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by CDB View Post
    I always do. They say it's a relationship killer and I guess that's true, but I'd rather get it out in the open and know whether or not I can tolerate the views of the person I'm with, and they can tolerate mine. Otherwise what's the point of being with them, if just to get blindsided by some rant/action sometime in the future?
    That's what I do now and tested my girlfriend prior to us dating. She really isn't in to politics or the debating aspect but she doesn't have any preconceived whacko ideas floating about and that's all I care about at this point :P
  9. Never enough
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyChemist View Post
    Yeah..... thats a shame..... I don't know where I was going with that. I'm just on a lot of test right now so libido is ridiculous. I was thinking some sort of sister-sister threesome but..... that has nothing to do with your post.
    I was sorta hoping it was a pornocchio when I saw the thread title.

    But yeah jay, its like most of the hyper-liberals, they have no clue because they've never really had to work, never really had to struggle and never have to live by their own rules. Sure Ted Kennedy fought for healthcare, but like he ever had to work a day in his life?

    It seems like the more liberal they are, the less they understand math, which is why they like universal health care. The health care bill limits the amount of premiums that can go towards administrative costs and guess what? Most of the major insurance companies already have their admin costs as low as half that. So that means they won't have to change policies, their profit won't go down, and what they charge won't go down either. Not exactly a win for the public, as now it allows them to actually charge more to get a higher profit, and still fall into government guidelines. Plus with the changes to the care they have to provide, it will raise premiums even more.

    If the government raised minimum wage to $25/hr, what would happen? Prices on the McDonalds menu would go up 50-100%, the price of gas and soda and haircuts and everything else would go up by by significant amounts, and after part of that new money goes to taxes the people who were making minimum wage wouldn't be significantly better off, but the people who used to make $29/hr would be screwed.
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  10. WHO= World Health Organization = socialist UN equivalent for ""world health"
  11. Never enough
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    Quote Originally Posted by Australian made View Post
    If i dont pay for it, it is free.

    I have no idea what a WHO is....
    Do you know what VAT is? then you are paying for it.

    this bottle of tequila is 46 pounds in the UK (around 73 USD)

    http://www.gerrys.uk.com/CatalogueAndCartOct07.aspx

    but 34 US dollars in the US

    http://www.napacabs.com/Sauza-Plata-...0ml-P3622.aspx

    So you are paying for it you just don't realize it.
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  12. I just want to see all the politicians get in the gym and pick up some weights. Maybe if everyone had 'legs' day, our pride in being right would take a bow and some solutions could be found.

    Arnold for president haha

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Australian made View Post
    If i dont pay for it, it is free.

    I have no idea what a WHO is....
    World Health Organization. And if you don't pay for it, it is not free. Someone else still has to pay. Hence, not 'free'...

    What you're really saying is you're okay with the government forcing other people to buy **** for you. Which is a point of view I guess, but trying to hide it behind BS strikes me as a bit disingenuous.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Ivan Valdez View Post
    sounds like a typical dumb leftwing whore
    Not typical, no. Typical is just stupid. The vzeal with which this woman seems to want to insert herself into 'debates' is worrying. Sounds like the type who would do her best to poison a relationship if it took her fancy or if she took a severe dislike to Jay for some reason some day. Even if his girl is sound in the head, it's stress for both of them in the future when this bitch turns sour.

  15. I told my girlfriend after the second argument that I can't stand her sister and I hope that isn't a problem for us. She basically said no big deal, it's not like she had been treated any better by her...

    I mean, she did ask her when we were moving into a 'better place'. Although she's only lived on her own twice and both times were with a roomate and short lived due to finances not being handled properly.

  16. Jay I loved this post. Made me laugh big time. I feel sorry for you during the holidays now! LOL
    My brothers wife is very liberal like this and the same sort of things happens when they come in (they live in St Louis and we are in NC). Bad thing is, my brother is just like her now. And the rest of the family can be considered rather conservative.

  17. Ah the left wing...never fails to eventually bring down all great civilizations.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Jayhawkk View Post
    she's only lived on her own twice and both times were with a roomate and short lived due to finances not being handled properly.
    Figures.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Australian made View Post
    If i dont pay for it, it is free.




    you =

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Australian made View Post
    Great first impression.

    She was right about the healthcare thing though. It is terrible in the States compared to elsewhere. It should always be free.
    There is NO SUCH THING AS FREE my friend. There are always consequences and repercussions that have to be paid on one front or the other.

    Anyone preaching that health care or ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS PLANET, as being free, is a fruit cake, end of story.
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by TexasTitan View Post
    I had a small thing like this with a legal alein at my work. He told me he didnt like McCain because all McCain wanted to help is rich people. I asked him who payed the vast majority of taxes in this country. He said everyone. I explained the rich pay practically all the taxes and then I asked what have the poor done to deserve help? He said, but the rich dont need it and should pay more! I asked him if the place we worked should let the poor people pay less since they have less money. If we should give the poor people that walk in 20% off just for being poor. He didnt know what to say and I walked off. The only reason poor people get anything is their vote is equal to a rich persons.

    That said, Ive talked to girls before and had them add me on some social networking site and see my views as conservative and some pages like Vote GOP Texas etc and stop talking to me all together. Tolerance at its finest.
    I am not sure that what you typed actually makes any valid points, unless you are a one-way-joe, tbh.

    So, what have poor people done to deserve help?

    Let's take this very real scenario:::

    Some have had the misfortune of being forced into those situations. I agree that there are people out there that suck off of the government, I'll totally agree with that. Just like there are millionaires out there that put their DOGS AND CATS on their taxes in order to cheat on them. Neither side is just in this case though...i will agree.

    However, take someone who has gone through masters, and earned a phd, or undergrad, earned a nice paying job, only to be told that their position is no longer needed due to "downsizing".

    Now, they are out of work for several months. In this case they use up all of their resources(this puts them in that "poor" category) and need government assistance because the owners of these same "rich multimillion dollar" companies, who pay these "high taxes", will not hire them. This could be due to lack of qualifications, downsizing, or if you really want to dive into it, basic racism.

    Now, I ask you, what did those people do to deserve being discriminated against and left for dead with no job after doing EVERYTHING that those "rich people" did?

    Remember, the rich, 85% of the time, have gotten rich using individuals who can barely live above poverty at times. Without these low paid wage workers, most of these billionaires, and millionaires would not even exist. Let's not even talk about these low life b@@stards who take their worker's overtime and it mysteriously disappears, or work people off the clock. I have no pity for many of these people.

    I ask you again, who the hell deserves what?
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by Ivan Valdez View Post
    sounds like a typical dumb leftwing whore
    Just because someone has a difference of opinion does not mean that you should slander them or call them out of their name. How do you know she is a whore? Did she deny you the "panties" and you're mad now?

    I should come to your house and p!ss in your oatmeal, then make you slurp it through a straw.

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  23. Never enough
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardknock View Post
    Let's take this very real scenario:::
    you mean a scenario you made up, because it has high emotional connotation?
    Quote Originally Posted by hardknock View Post
    Some have had the misfortune of being forced into those situations.
    almost none. Where you are at any point is the sum of the choices you make

    Quote Originally Posted by hardknock View Post
    However, take someone who has gone through masters, and earned a phd, or undergrad, earned a nice paying job, only to be told that their position is no longer needed due to "downsizing".
    perhaps they made a crappy choice of degrees? Instead of getting something in high demand, they got "Biological Anthropology" or something else highly limited. Again, they made the choice of their major and career path, nobody forced it on them.

    Quote Originally Posted by hardknock View Post
    Now, they are out of work for several months. In this case they use up all of their resources(this puts them in that "poor" category) and need government assistance because the owners of these same "rich multimillion dollar" companies, who pay these "high taxes", will not hire them. This could be due to lack of qualifications, downsizing, or if you really want to dive into it, basic racism.
    if they aren't qualified, and don't have skills worth paying for, then what do they deserve? Part of the problem is that somehow today people think they should have new cars, and jewelery and cellphones and luxury items when they don't have the skills that are worth paying for that. A PHD in Spanish Literature of the 1500s doesn't exactly have much practical application.

    Quote Originally Posted by hardknock View Post
    Now, I ask you, what did those people do to deserve being discriminated against and left for dead with no job after doing EVERYTHING that those "rich people" did?
    you are missing an essential point here. They aren't being discriminated AGAINST - they merely have not enough qualifications to make the sort of pay THEY expect to make. Also they obviously didn't do EVERYTHING those "rich" people did, or they'd be rich too.

    Quote Originally Posted by hardknock View Post
    Remember, the rich, 85% of the time, have gotten rich using individuals who can barely live above poverty at times.
    really? Can you post some actual evidence showing that? Its just more emotional appeal with no factual basis. Did Bill Gates abuse poverty workers?

    Quote Originally Posted by hardknock View Post
    Without these low paid wage workers, most of these billionaires, and millionaires would not even exist. Let's not even talk about these low life b@@stards who take their worker's overtime and it mysteriously disappears, or work people off the clock. I have no pity for many of these people.

    I ask you again, who the hell deserves what?
    People who don't work don't deserve anyone elses money. Wages and jobs are a supply and demand situation. If you have no skills in demand they you have no job. And instead of spending your time whining and complaining about rich people, or watching american idol and biggest loser the people should be spending their time upgrading their skills.
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  24. Great post Easy.

  25. healthcare in the US sucks. lets be honest, its only great if you have healthcare, because without it, you're essentially screwed.

    a 150k histerectomy will be settled for 40-50k by insurance. don't have insurance, then goodbye house, pay up the 150k. if i could borrow 50k from the mafia at 100% yearly interest, i could pay it off in 3 years and break even. somethings not right about that.

    i say these things because in 2005, my g/f had 980k in the bank. after her medical bills, over 800k of that has been spent - just on hospital bills. and because of multiple pre-existing conditions, she can't be insured.

    with regards to your g/f's older sister, she's vaguely right about doctors - in florida for example, you can get out of med school, and become a plastic surgeon with no extra training, and no need for malpractice insurance. i don't think a neurosurgeon however fits into that category...

    i see both sides of the argument though, and i think we have to find a good middle ground, which starts with hospitals charging the same fee they expect to collect from insurance companies, and stop passing on the buck because "person A" didn't pay the bill. could you imagine applying that to your work - like because somebody hit you yesterday, you're entitled to smack around a bunch of people today because its "spreading the wealth"? or the PD giving someone 10 free "run the red light warnings" because someone did that to them and got broadsided?

    not that spending money that we can't afford is really a great answer, but dammit, a middleground must be found.

    personally, i wish we'd just ship off all the prisoners to the phillipines and pay the guards 10 bucks a day to take care of them (the going rate there). that would take a huge dent out of our budget.

    bleh. i hate politics. just food for thought brotha jay.

  26. You yanks are such sensitive souls. I have no idea why you lot get so worked up about politics.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    you mean a scenario you made up, because it has high emotional connotation?
    You are seriously going to sit there and tell me that out of the millions of jobs lost, this scenario never happened? So, I just pulled this out of the air because it "tugs the heart strings". Easy, you are better than that brother.

    almost none. Where you are at any point is the sum of the choices you make
    Again, this is obvious. You are where you are due to personal choices. Great that you pointed out a black dot on a white piece of paper. I hold a masters in network security engineering, I do not have an "official job" in that field. I live in Alabama, there are reasons why I do not have that job and neither are by choice of my own. I've been denied job after job due to companies going with the "good ol boy" tactics. I was denied 2 of 8 jobs due to a lack of experience, the rest was just a strange occurrence and one guy flat out told me that it was due to my religious belief. For you to deny that those tactics do not exist really makes your post lack credibility.

    perhaps they made a crappy choice of degrees? Instead of getting something in high demand, they got "Biological Anthropology" or something else highly limited. Again, they made the choice of their major and career path, nobody forced it on them.
    Once again, goes back to the previous statement. Of course, if you have a degree (no matter what level) in an obscure field and are not willing to move to an area where that degree can be put to use then you are going to have a long road ahead of you. However, I am talking about high demand degrees. No one forced them into taking that degree path, I totally agree with you. If my choice of words was misleading, my apology, however, I cannot take a gun into an office and force a guy to give me a particular job which I am more than qualified.

    if they aren't qualified, and don't have skills worth paying for, then what do they deserve? Part of the problem is that somehow today people think they should have new cars, and jewelery and cellphones and luxury items when they don't have the skills that are worth paying for that. A PHD in Spanish Literature of the 1500s doesn't exactly have much practical application.
    I cannot tell you how many people that I know that are qualified for a particular job yet have been denied due to "circumstances" beyond their control. If they are not qualified then yeah, of course, they shouldn't be given the job. No one in their right mind should expect to be handed something IF they are not qualified. However, when the qualifications are given and you meet those better than the person whom got hired, then there is something curious going on. Would you agree?


    you are missing an essential point here. They aren't being discriminated AGAINST - they merely have not enough qualifications to make the sort of pay THEY expect to make. Also they obviously didn't do EVERYTHING those "rich" people did, or they'd be rich too.
    I am not sure what paradise that you live in but apparently it is definitely a place which I need to visit. Hell, book me a flight there NOW. A place with no racism or discrimination, wow, give me that address. Because, you know, of course, no one has ever been denied a job due to race, religion, or sex...this is American, that has NEVER happened here....I see your point.


    really? Can you post some actual evidence showing that? Its just more emotional appeal with no factual basis. Did Bill Gates abuse poverty workers?
    Really? Would you like me to show you the speech's of Sam Walton where he states this? Or, better yet, how about I call Jim Sinegal, owner of Costco, and allow him to tell you that himself. I'll do you one better, I can just call up the CEO of target and get the info to you. It's right there in their call to employees handbook...
    I called out a random percentage on how many. Many retailers, hell, nearly every single one of them have low paying wages where a person has to take on extra jobs just to make it. And, these people aren't living great lifestyles or trying to live above their means. Some are, you are correct, but there are many that are not. They are just trying to fill their damn cabinet with food.

    People who don't work don't deserve anyone elses money. Wages and jobs are a supply and demand situation. If you have no skills in demand they you have no job. And instead of spending your time whining and complaining about rich people, or watching american idol and biggest loser the people should be spending their time upgrading their skills.
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    Does this include elders too? Does this include mentally retarded individuals and physically disabled people also? what about people that held that chemical engineering degree for about 1 year, had the greatest paying job and was stricken with a disease, tossed out of that job and landed in a damn hospital.

    Oh but wait, it's probably their fault that they acquired that disease, so they do not deserve anyone's help either.

    I do see your point though. Obviously, we should just all be selfish b@@stards; it's easier that way.
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  28. You know what, I'd rather not even discuss all the topics of quote. I'd rather you tell me, Easy, how many companies which are successful that have been able to accomplish this success without a huge portion of the work being completed by low wage workers?

    Doesn't the retail industry employee the 2nd or 3rd largest number of people? And of those, aren't the majority minimum wagers? I think the manufacturing industry is right there with retail in terms of both employment and low wages, perhaps not minimum but very low.
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  29. Quote Originally Posted by hardknock View Post
    I am not sure what paradise that you live in but apparently it is definitely a place which I need to visit. Hell, book me a flight there NOW. A place with no racism or discrimination, wow, give me that address.
    You said you live in Alabama, then complain about racism, discrimination, and the "good ol' boy network".

    I loled.

    What do you expect?

    Quote Originally Posted by hardknock View Post
    You know what, I'd rather not even discuss all the topics of quote. I'd rather you tell me, Easy, how many companies which are successful that have been able to accomplish this success without a huge portion of the work being completed by low wage workers?
    It's not slave labor. The people have a choice to work there or not.

    Doesn't the retail industry employee the 2nd or 3rd largest number of people? And of those, aren't the majority minimum wagers? I think the manufacturing industry is right there with retail in terms of both employment and low wages, perhaps not minimum but very low.
    IMO there should be no minimum wage. It causes a false paradigm to the free market system (just as government intervention always does). But still, no one force the people to work there.

    As far as manufacturing wages being too low I have to laugh. America has lost the majority of it's manufacturing to shut down or moving to other countries because the unions have forced wages to be too high for what is being done. How can they be too low when the business' are leaving in order to still profit?

    I am amazed how a worker (skilled or not) is socially acceptable to try to make as much money as possible and do as little work as possible, yet a person that starts/owns/runs the same company and usually has little if any personal time (because it's all about keeping the business running) is seen as evil and greedy for reaping the rewards of their success.
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