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  1. Quote Originally Posted by SokVichet View Post
    I'm wondering where those anti-war activists are now that their own man is expanding our involvement in the middle east back towards Afghanistan... It appears their efforts were less about the war and more about politics, from what I observe. I do agree that the two parties are different sides of the same coin.

    the only issue I have here is that there is a distinct difference in the minds of many between the need and validity of the war in Iraq in comparison to the war in Afghanistan


  2. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    the only issue I have here is that there is a distinct difference in the minds of many between the need and validity of the war in Iraq in comparison to the war in Afghanistan
    Agreed. I do not feel fit to comment on the difference due to my limited understanding of the situation there. However, I can confidently point out the obvious hypocrisy of the President and his supporters.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by SokVichet View Post
    Agreed. I do not feel fit to comment on the difference due to my limited understanding of the situation there. However, I can confidently point out the obvious hypocrisy of the President and his supporters.
    Well that was always in the making. Clinton was plenty adventurous with the military, the majority of the current 'anti war' crowd didn't give a damn. The left is only anti Republican Initiated war, just like the right is only against Democrat Initiated government spending. If Bush had presented Obama's health plan to congress the Dems would have found reasons to hate it and Republicans would have been cozying up to every geezer from sea to shining sea to assure them no illegals would be covered and their government benefits wouldn't be touched at all. Hell, they'd even be expanded!

    It's all bull****. Which is what makes me laugh. All this crap right now between the Republicans and Democrats about this bill. Like it's really not going to pass. Sure... And like it's not going to be a bloated piece of **** that increases their power over the industry and reduces our choices/benefits, and as if anyone doesn't know that all they really give a **** about is making sure their particular special interests get properly greased. Anyone who doesn't get an adequate reach around in the initial bill will get taken care of when it goes to conference, and the final bill will come out reading longer and dryer than War and Peace and in language that may as well be foreign with all the provisos and qualifications and references to other bills and portions of bills, such that no one without at least an IQ of 190 or above and a terminally whistling nose will be able to read and understand it.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    this is a major concern. For decades, we have sat on our collective asses and done little to change anything (myself included). We have let it get to the point where there truly is little we can do, because regardless of who we vote for the political lines are blurred and we get the same garbage.

    I am sure many here will shout and scream for "revolution", but would never do it, as they realize their lives truly are not that terrible. Once the public sentiment gets bad enough, we will be placated by lowering gas prices a bit, or further troop withdrawl, or whatever will appease the blind masses.

    We must face it, we are stuck, and it is our own fault
    The only thing that could possibly save us from ourselves is term limits on Congress, but since the Supreme Court ruled them unconstitutional we've doomed ourselves. WE are too stupid to kick the bums out of Congress.

    As someone with over 24 years of experience working for the Federal government, I can tell you firsthand that the amount of waste and corruption is unbelieveable. Instead of trying to cut costs, low level managers and supervisors are given instructions to spend every penny of their budgets for fear that they won't get enough money the next year.

    Specific examples of the kinds of waste typical in the government:

    1) A cleaning contract for a building that was quoted at $25,000 a year ended up costing $90,000 a year because it had to go to a minority/women-owned business to meet a quota.

    2) "Cost plus" contracts that basically guarantee a hefty profit for defense contractors. The higher the cost, the more profit they make.

    3) Hiring commercial ships (i.e. car carriers) to move Army tanks, humvees, etc. even though the Army has their own ships that could transport all the cargo.

    I could go on and on, but the bottom line is the Federal government isn't working for a profit and there is no incentive to be fiscally conservative.

    The only thing we can do is demand smaller government. Cut back on defense spending. Stop the growth of entitlement programs like medicare and social security, even if it means taking a hard-line stance like freezing the budget.

    Most importantly, refuse to let the same corrupt Congressman to be re-elected year after year. Don't be blinded by voting either Republican or Democrat. They're both corrupt.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by enswalters View Post
    The only thing that could possibly save us from ourselves is term limits on Congress, but since the Supreme Court ruled them unconstitutional we've doomed ourselves. WE are too stupid to kick the bums out of Congress.
    Wouldn't do anything but speed up the corruption process. The same scumbags are getting elected with term limits. They just have more limited time to act on their plans to rape people. The end result of term limits would be even more corruption happening at break-neck speed and more resources poured into the system by special interests to secure the next stooge to run when term limits expire.

    Most importantly, refuse to let the same corrupt Congressman to be re-elected year after year. Don't be blinded by voting either Republican or Democrat. They're both corrupt.
    Agreed, but they're also essentially rigged the system and, more importantly, got most people believing a vote for anyone but either major party is 'wasted'.
  

  
 

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