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When a politician guarantees a bill will pass before it is written... you might be close to tyranny...
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09-15-2009, 07:24 PM
Wilson should not have apologized.Obama spent half his speech up to that point calling the reps. liers then dems. get upset when someone returns the favor.And Obama was lieing. Even the congressional research service said this bill could allow illegals to be covered. I was talking to a guy about this situation and he said," this has never happened before.Reps should be more civil".I asked him if he knew dems booed Bush when he gave his speech or that 2 dems had stood on the floor of the house and called Bush a lier.He said," well he was". How do you argue with someone who doesn't even know they just destroyed their own arguement about civility.I just laughed and walked away.
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09-16-2009, 10:23 AM
Bush is irrelevant. This is another game of we can but you can't which both parties play. They all feign horror at actions taken by the other side which they themselves have done in the past. It's all bull****, it's all a distraction.
The only thing relevant to Joe Wilson and the current round of BS is that he screwed up, technically breaking house rules, but more to the point he gave liberals a focus point. Either here or elsewhere, during the campaign I said Obama lived in the typical liberal echo chamber and that as a result you'd see the typical liberal smears of 'racist' and what not thrown around, but because they were directed at amorphous groups like anti Obama voters in general or people opposed to this or that policy of his, or critical of this or that association of his, it would be largely ineffective, and liberals would be shocked. Which has been the case up until now.
A personal insult needs a person for it to be directed toward in order to have any effect. Joe Wilson in interrupting Obama and calling him a liar, correct or incorrect, gave the Dems that person. A southern white male who defended Strom in the past. Some independents may care, I doubt many Republicans do, but Wilson just energized the Democrat base by giving them a new person to hate. A big advantage the Republicans have had as of late is the lack of a focus for Democrat ire and slurs, which is why the Dems were so busy trying to keep Cheney and Bush as an issue with potential investigations and what not while slurring random anonymous grandmothers and grandfather at townhall meetings. They just lost that advantage to a degree because Wilson, with his poor timing and context, put a face to the opposition.
09-16-2009, 01:02 PM
lets face it, both sides are full of sh!t and try their darnedest to pass their agenda along at the expense of the average person. Neither side truly gives a rat ass about anyone who disagrees with them. They will just use whatever tactic they can to demorialize and demean. None of this will change folks, and the constant b!tching about it wont do diddly, except make a change every 4 years, and boy that is always helpful
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09-16-2009, 01:50 PM
09-16-2009, 03:07 PM
Back on topic:
The Senate has clearly admitted Joe Wilson's message was correct (regardless of how inappropriately timed it might have been). Twice the dems have shot down provisions to ensure illegal aliens are not covered by the public option, and now they are suddenly backing it. Of course the media will not cover this change of direction, and will continue to demonize the poor-mannered Wilson as a representative of the racist radical right (soon to be wearing white hoods and proclaiming themselves the RRR, of course).
But make no mistake about it, BO plans to fulfill his campaign promise to give amnesty to the estimated ~20 million illegals in the country, making this argument over alien insurance coverage irrelevant. First healthcare, then Card Check (unionization of all industries), followed by amnesty are his "must pass" initiatives to gain a critical mass of American entitlement. He has explained this agenda from the beginning of his campaign trail.
09-16-2009, 04:38 PM
09-16-2009, 04:52 PM
I am sure many here will shout and scream for "revolution", but would never do it, as they realize their lives truly are not that terrible. Once the public sentiment gets bad enough, we will be placated by lowering gas prices a bit, or further troop withdrawl, or whatever will appease the blind masses.
We must face it, we are stuck, and it is our own fault
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09-16-2009, 04:53 PM
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09-17-2009, 11:31 AM
It's all bull****. Which is what makes me laugh. All this crap right now between the Republicans and Democrats about this bill. Like it's really not going to pass. Sure... And like it's not going to be a bloated piece of **** that increases their power over the industry and reduces our choices/benefits, and as if anyone doesn't know that all they really give a **** about is making sure their particular special interests get properly greased. Anyone who doesn't get an adequate reach around in the initial bill will get taken care of when it goes to conference, and the final bill will come out reading longer and dryer than War and Peace and in language that may as well be foreign with all the provisos and qualifications and references to other bills and portions of bills, such that no one without at least an IQ of 190 or above and a terminally whistling nose will be able to read and understand it.
09-19-2009, 01:56 AM
As someone with over 24 years of experience working for the Federal government, I can tell you firsthand that the amount of waste and corruption is unbelieveable. Instead of trying to cut costs, low level managers and supervisors are given instructions to spend every penny of their budgets for fear that they won't get enough money the next year.
Specific examples of the kinds of waste typical in the government:
1) A cleaning contract for a building that was quoted at $25,000 a year ended up costing $90,000 a year because it had to go to a minority/women-owned business to meet a quota.
2) "Cost plus" contracts that basically guarantee a hefty profit for defense contractors. The higher the cost, the more profit they make.
3) Hiring commercial ships (i.e. car carriers) to move Army tanks, humvees, etc. even though the Army has their own ships that could transport all the cargo.
I could go on and on, but the bottom line is the Federal government isn't working for a profit and there is no incentive to be fiscally conservative.
The only thing we can do is demand smaller government. Cut back on defense spending. Stop the growth of entitlement programs like medicare and social security, even if it means taking a hard-line stance like freezing the budget.
Most importantly, refuse to let the same corrupt Congressman to be re-elected year after year. Don't be blinded by voting either Republican or Democrat. They're both corrupt.
09-21-2009, 09:19 AM
Agreed, but they're also essentially rigged the system and, more importantly, got most people believing a vote for anyone but either major party is 'wasted'.Most importantly, refuse to let the same corrupt Congressman to be re-elected year after year. Don't be blinded by voting either Republican or Democrat. They're both corrupt.