Clinton did it!
- 08-05-2009, 07:50 PM
- 08-05-2009, 10:58 PM
Well, yeah. That's a good thing. The Dear Leader got a photo op that he's probably wanted for a long time and those chicks got released. It was kind of funny that Bill was standing about 15 feet away from KJI with a somewhat blank expression on his face. The Dear Leader was probably hoping for a smiling handshake photo, but took what he could get. Hopefully, we didn't give up anything in return.
I don't know why they were in such a hurry to get out of NK though. It may be a nice place to live. Afterall Luther, it's just western propaganda that makes it look so bad.
08-05-2009, 11:05 PM
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08-05-2009, 11:50 PM
I have nothing but respect for Clinton, I think he was the best president of our time but I couldn't help thinking this morning when i saw the pictures of those 2 asian girls getting in the plane and the smile on his face.... he probable did them on the way how
08-05-2009, 11:51 PM
08-05-2009, 11:53 PM
Yep, Clinton...aka the Big Dog...wouldn't go over there without assurances. Still, it's nice that those girls are home. NK plays these sorts of neurotic diplomatic games all the time. KJI is an attention-whore and a psycho to boot...not a good combo.
08-05-2009, 11:55 PM
I thought the same damned thing, lol. "So, how about a little gratitude, ladies? Yeah, who's your former President?".
08-05-2009, 11:58 PM
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08-06-2009, 12:13 AM
NK media reported that Clinton came to offer deep apologies from Obama. It must be nice to be crazy and have your state media reinforce your version of La-La Land for you everyday.
08-06-2009, 06:47 AM
The North Koreans are experts at brinksmanship, somehow turning a minor situation into an extreme, and then obtaining concessions for it.
The North Koreans are not in the business of selling nuclear arms nor are they likely to be planning to use them against their neighbors. Like the reporters, they are using the weapons as leverage to gain respect in the international community. I think it's time for the U.S. to have a one on one dialog with North Korea.
08-06-2009, 08:15 AM
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08-06-2009, 08:57 PM
I'm pretty sure Bill made a point of convincing those young women that they needed to take their dresses to the dry cleaner.
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08-09-2009, 05:32 AM
08-09-2009, 06:00 AM
I honestly cant have issues with another dictatorship having propaganda when my own dictatorship is puking out propaganda...just doesn't seem right.
08-09-2009, 06:02 AM
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08-10-2009, 12:00 AM
Treat North Korea As a Child Psychologist Would
Yet even though the happy outcome tugs at our sentimental side, we should be asking whether the rescue was good public policy. Several hard questions arise:
1. Is the U.S. government responsible for bailing out American journalists, business people, or tourists who do stupid or risky things in dangerous and autocratic foreign countries?
Although Bill Clinton is a private citizen, he is a former president and his wife Hillary is the nation’s secretary of state and top diplomat. Therefore, any visit by Bill Clinton had the tacit approval of the Obama administration, and everyone knew it. The U.S. government has been bailing out a lot of people lately, but these journalists knew that doing a story about human trafficking in autocratic North Korea was very risky. Similarly, several hikers carelessly strayed over the Kurdistan-Iran border into Iran and have been detained. Although the families of all these people understandably want the U.S. government to do everything possible to get them back, and the U.S. government may have a responsibility to at least make diplomatic approaches to do so, should it be expected to pay ransom — in the case of the journalists, a coveted visit by an charismatic former president? And where does the government’s responsibility end? Someday, such inflated expectations of the government’s role could allow such irresponsible private hostages to drag the United States into a needless war.
2. Is it wise to reward bad behavior by any cantankerous regime, especially one with a track record like North Korea’s in which it regularly acts obnoxiously to win more favors from the United States and its neighbors?
North Korea’s bizarre leader has recently fired off missiles and conducted a second nuclear test to test the new Obama administration and enhance his bargaining position in the world’s attempt to negotiate away the regime’s nuclear weapons program. Then to win the release of the journalists, Kim specifically demanded and received a prestigious visit by Clinton. Next, he will probably be looking to receive even more in exchange for pardoning and setting the journalists free and will be irate if he doesn’t get it.
Any child psychologist will tell you that rewarding a child’s tantrum will only cause more tantrums. For some time under previous administrations, including that of George W. Bush and Clinton himself, the U.S. has been reinforcing bad behavior on the part of Kim by giving North Korea more attention and aid whenever the country misbehaves. Such pay offs only increase future bad behavior to get more goodies from the West.
3. What policy should the U.S. pursue toward North Korea?
All of this doesn’t mean we need to assume a belligerent policy toward North Korea — as advocated by neoconservatives — because backing a paranoid, nuclear-armed country into a corner is dangerous. A child psychologist would recommend rewarding good behavior, while simply ignoring bad behavior. The U.S. could offer a "grand bargain" of full diplomatic recognition for North Korea and the end of world ostracism through the termination of economic sanctions, all in exchange for elimination of the North’s nuclear weapons program. Given the historical track record of the West’s rewarding North Korean bad behavior, however, this may no longer be a viable option. Too much water has flowed under the bridge. Instead, the United States should probably just accept that North Korea will be a nuclear weapons state and focus on deterring the regime from using such weapons against the U.S. — the threat of incineration by the world’s most powerful nuclear arsenal should suffice — or selling such technology abroad. Otherwise, treating Kim like a child, the U.S. should simply ignore North Korea and its belligerent posturing. Eventually, such behavior will likely attenuate.
Doing nothing is doing something and is much better than the ill-advised policy the United States currently has toward North Korea.
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