Barrack Hussein Obama's healthcare plan good enough for us but not him!

[GuyverX]

my two cents.

I agree with somewhatgifted in the sense that one's health should be one's own responsibility aside from accidents and things that a person cannot fix themselves.
Many of us who are fitness oriented already take responsibility for our own health.
Even people on the the harder things take steps to minimize the bodily harm.
As well as having a clean diet and pushing our bodies hard with exercise.

Cannot speak on Canada, but in the USA some have become excuse makers and blamers.
We had a case in which someone won a couple of million because they spilled hot coffee from McD's on themselves. Not to mention people who sue tobacco companies because they smoke three packs a day and get health problems.
Or trying to get snack machines banned in schools instead of teaching people to be responsible in their eating choices.

And we have people who bust their tails doing something constructive. paying for the benefits of some who choose not to work.
Or those who play crazy and have multiple kids by different people to draw assistance for health care and necessities.

I have a suggestion for those of us who are independent minded.
Let's terraform Antarctica, found our own nation where our hard work directly influences our reward and ban all those who want something without any effort.
And before you can go to the apothecary and get pills, you have to prove your diet and lifestyle are on point first(that is unless you have a condition that does not depend on or respond to those).

Just a thought.

[GuyverX]

So what,I am from there and lived there for over 30 years.



Even if you keep them out there is still outsourcing which does not need physical people entering the country to work.

See: Outsourcing Greenville the story of what happened when the world's largest refrigerator plant outsourced to Mexico leaving 1/4th of Greenville, Michigan residents unemployed.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...29805897242874

It is interesting that companies use outsourcing to cut their costs but the prices keep going up.
Hmmmmm.....

They want americans to buy their products but would rather hire way cheaper labor.
Hmmm.........

The wonders of the service oriented economy.

[somewhatgifted]

It is interesting that companies use outsourcing to cut their costs but the prices keep going up.
Hmmmmm.....

They want americans to buy their products but would rather hire way cheaper labor.
Hmmm.........

The wonders of the service oriented economy.

Its almost like these companies with mission statements that talk about quality, commitment and respect are full of crap... Wait they are. Everything is about money nowa days people would bludgeon you to death if they were paid well enough, given enough biased information or taught to do things without question.. war anyone?

[somewhatgifted]

my two cents.

I agree with somewhatgifted in the sense that one's health should be one's own responsibility aside from accidents and things that a person cannot fix themselves.
Many of us who are fitness oriented already take responsibility for our own health.
Even people on the the harder things take steps to minimize the bodily harm.
As well as having a clean diet and pushing our bodies hard with exercise.

Cannot speak on Canada, but in the USA some have become excuse makers and blamers.
We had a case in which someone won a couple of million because they spilled hot coffee from McD's on themselves. Not to mention people who sue tobacco companies because they smoke three packs a day and get health problems.
Or trying to get snack machines banned in schools instead of teaching people to be responsible in their eating choices.

And we have people who bust their tails doing something constructive. paying for the benefits of some who choose not to work.
Or those who play crazy and have multiple kids by different people to draw assistance for health care and necessities.

I have a suggestion for those of us who are independent minded.
Let's terraform Antarctica, found our own nation where our hard work directly influences our reward and ban all those who want something without any effort.
And before you can go to the apothecary and get pills, you have to prove your diet and lifestyle are on point first(that is unless you have a condition that does not depend on or respond to those).

Just a thought.

Lets take a look at pharmaceuticals for one second.
If a plant, herb or natural remedy works it can be harvested produced and mildly profitable!

BUT one cannot patent a herb or plant.... you can only be incompetition with other harvester/distributers and when people get HEALTHY they stop taking it.

ON THE OTHER HAND.. IF you isolate what compound or chemical causes the desired response then you can synthesize it and patent it!!!

The problem being... when you take the isolated chemical out you get side effects!!! The whole herb is what is needed including the stabalising agents!!
A synthesized, isolated chemical is nowhere as benefitial.

So they get rich, you stay sick, you keep buying and when you get side effects you buy more drugs.

The cause of all illness, disease and malcontent is lifestyle, diet and environment.

If we try to fix our problems with drugs we deserve to be sick.

Herbs FTW!!!

[dsade]

Its almost like these companies with mission statements that talk about quality, commitment and respect are full of crap... Wait they are. Everything is about money nowa days people would bludgeon you to death if they were paid well enough, given enough biased information or taught to do things without question.. war anyone?

We need to control our frustrations and make sure we don't expose ourselves to anti-capitalist arguments.

There's a way through this....

[DAdams91982]

We need to control our frustrations and make sure we don't expose ourselves to anti-capitalist arguments.

There's a way through this....

I agree. There are a TON of companies out there that stand by their product. Especially small business.

[DAdams91982]

Lets take a look at pharmaceuticals for one second.
If a plant, herb or natural remedy works it can be harvested produced and mildly profitable!

BUT one cannot patent a herb or plant.... you can only be incompetition with other harvester/distributers and when people get HEALTHY they stop taking it.

ON THE OTHER HAND.. IF you isolate what compound or chemical causes the desired response then you can synthesize it and patent it!!!

The problem being... when you take the isolated chemical out you get side effects!!! The whole herb is what is needed including the stabalising agents!!
A synthesized, isolated chemical is nowhere as benefitial.

So they get rich, you stay sick, you keep buying and when you get side effects you buy more drugs.

The cause of all illness, disease and malcontent is lifestyle, diet and environment.

If we try to fix our problems with drugs we deserve to be sick.

Herbs FTW!!!

You will be singing a different tune when they have to shoot your ass up with a healthy dose of pharmaceutical epinephrine when you have an allergic reaction to your precious herbs.

[GuyverX]

I agree. There are a TON of companies out there that stand by their product. Especially small business.

Exactly.
Too bad I have not had the good fortune to get a job somewhere like that.
Or be able to start my own yet which focuses on quality, service, internal and external customers.

Regulation is a funny animal though. Always a little extra in the legalese that may not benefit citizens or businesses.

I guess in a perfect world we would have room for gainful employment/entreprenuership for everyone who wanted it and we would get paid well enough to pay out of pocket for certain things.
That way the mass of taxpayers would not have to shoulder the burden for certain services that are not generalized.

[CDB]

We had a case in which someone won a couple of million because they spilled hot coffee from McD's on themselves.

In that lady's defense, you should not be able to use fresh coffee to smelt iron ore, and that's how hot the **** was. When your server needs asbestos gloves to hand over a cup of joe I think it's possible that the restaurant might want to turn the temp down on their hot plate.

[GuyverX]

In that lady's defense, you should not be able to use fresh coffee to smelt iron ore, and that's how hot the **** was. When your server needs asbestos gloves to hand over a cup of joe I think it's possible that the restaurant might want to turn the temp down on their hot plate.

next time she should not complain that her first coffee was not hot enough.
they were just trying to cater to her desire.
not their fault that the coffee heating apparatus uses uranium ore as a power source.

[CDB]

Regulation is a funny animal though. Always a little extra in the legalese that may not benefit citizens or businesses.

Regulation always benefits businesses. Select businesses. Otherwise it would never get passed.

Follow me in a thought experiment if you would. Pretend with me that instead of being made up of upright citizens sworn to uphold the constitution and defend liberty, that the congress is made up of money grubbing whores who by and large would do anything to stay in office, stay in power, and make a buck.

I know it's a stretch, but go with me on this.

Now a piece of legislation comes before these whores. Do you honestly think if it hurt their campaign donors at all, or if it did at least also gave them something in return for that hurt, that there is any way this side of a snowball fight in hell it would get through the legislature?

Now back to reality, which is basically one hair away from the above thought experiment, do you really think any legislation ever was really meant to help you, or me? Government is power. It is violence. It is brute force, and the only reason to employ it is to get through force what you couldn't get through voluntary action. Therefore when legislation pops up, ask who supports it. This holds for almost any piece of legislation that has been visited upon us.

FDIC and Glass Steagle? FDIC socializes bankers losses. They no longer have to maintain safe balance sheets and when the **** up the tax payers pay their depositors off so the banker can stay flush.

Anti Trust? Look who was lobbying for it and who uses it now: sour grapes competitors. Well over 80% of all anti trust suits are private complaints.

Legislation is now and has always been the tool by which the market is manipulated in democracies. And in the progressive era especially a ton of it was passed, supposed public interest legislation, that really does nothing but empower certain businesses at the expense of other businesses and ultimately the consumer.

[enswalters]

In that lady's defense, you should not be able to use fresh coffee to smelt iron ore, and that's how hot the **** was. When your server needs asbestos gloves to hand over a cup of joe I think it's possible that the restaurant might want to turn the temp down on their hot plate.

It's those types of frivilous lawsuits that cost consumers millions every year.

It's not just the cost of the actual lawsuit, the damages, the lawyer fees. It's printing up signs that should be common sense, documenting every nitnoid detail about darn near everything you do, all kinds of non-value added costs.

When someone wins a lawsuit like this, WE all pay for it!!

That's what most people don't understand. They aren't taking the money from the CEO, they're passing the costs on to consumers.

Tort reform has got to be a key element of any healthcare proposal. Until you cut out the lawyers, you'll never solve anything.

[CDB]

It's those types of frivilous lawsuits that cost consumers millions every year.

I wouldn't call McDonald's knowingly serving magma to customers a frivilous claim. Yes, it's known coffee is hot. What isn't known, and what also isn't the subject of reasonable common sense, is that you could use it to heat steel and then hammer it into shape. I mean the woman got SCORCHED man. There's also an issue with assuming cases are frivilous when they really do have some merit.

Tort reform has got to be a key element of any healthcare proposal. Until you cut out the lawyers, you'll never solve anything.

I agree. But on the flip side is you don't want to make people immune to reasonable, justified actions taken against them. If some hack cuts you open and sews a dead cat inside of you, you should have a case.

[DAdams91982]

I wouldn't call McDonald's knowingly serving magma to customers a frivilous claim. Yes, it's known coffee is hot. What isn't known, and what also isn't the subject of reasonable common sense, is that you could use it to heat steel and then hammer it into shape.



I agree. But on the flip side is you don't want to make people immune to reasonable, justified actions taken against them. If some hack cuts you open and sews a dead cat inside of you, you should have a case.

Right, but the hospital not clipping my new borns nails for fear of a lawsuit is unjustified as well.