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    Quote Originally Posted by somewhatgifted View Post
    Your ability to categorize people into groups is awesome.
    the same way you categorized me into "one of those people" you ignorant hypacrit.

    Guy has the nerve to tell me my health problems are all my fault when he knows nothing about me. this is where all this started, and this is why I now literally despise you.

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    This thread took a turn for the paranoid schizophrenic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suncloud View Post
    nobody is saying you attacked me my posts were after yours, so unless you are jedi trained in preemptive strike, i have no complaints against you.

    you're not a jedi right?
    Well searl said that so obviously i wanted to clarify his delusions. I try to say my best interpretation of truth and some get offended.

    Against my better judgement i enlisted with the imperial army since i had to "pick a side" , they had cooler outfits and the music rocks. lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    This thread took a turn for the paranoid schizophrenic.
    this coming from a guy who is gonna shoot whoever comes and tries to make him pay more taxes for healthcare.....ah the irony.
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    Quote Originally Posted by searl12 View Post
    the same way you categorized me into "one of those people" you ignorant hypacrit.

    Guy has the nerve to tell me my health problems are all my fault when he knows nothing about me. this is where all this started, and this is why I now literally despise you.
    Well i guess your reality is just as subjective as mine so yeah i guess you are right. I should do less learning and thinking and more killing people.

    What is it about a person that makes them seem like they are from a perticular city? That implies i simply regurgitate whatever we folks talk about at town hall meatins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by searl12 View Post
    this coming from a guy who is gonna shoot whoever comes and tries to make him pay more taxes for healthcare.....ah the irony.
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    Once again *sigh* *yawn* what city someone is from does nothing to clarify their opinions unless they are one to follow and not think for themselves... you have stated yourself that i am "unlike the rest of us" so therefore i live alone dedicated to my own causes and scoffing at the rest of the united people fighting islam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    You're not too bright, are you?
    honestly dude, at least gifted has offered something, your offering to this arguement has been less than zero! you havent daid anything that matters to any of this, your on his blls becasue I disliked your post.

    PLEASE, join in, but bring something of some substance to your posts.

    If im not so bright then id of never built a house with my barehands with one other person, or graduated college, or lived this long, not all of us can push supplements for a living dude.

    you should go soemwhere where I cant see you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by searl12 View Post
    honestly dude, at least gifted has offered something, your offering to this arguement has been less than zero! you havent daid anything that matters to any of this, your on his blls becasue I disliked your post.

    PLEASE, join in, but bring something of some substance to your posts.

    If im not so bright then id of never built a house with my barehands with one other person, or graduated college, or lived this long, not all of us can push supplements for a living dude.

    you should go soemwhere where I cant see you.
    Plenty has been explained, as well as logically flowcharted out for your dumb ass. You're apparently too far off of your meds to grasp the arguments...tool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by somewhatgifted View Post
    Once again *sigh* *yawn* what city someone is from does nothing to clarify their opinions unless they are one to follow and not think for themselves... you have stated yourself that i am "unlike the rest of us" so therefore i live alone dedicated to my own causes and scoffing at the rest of the united people fighting islam.
    probably the same type of coward who changes the channel when he hears of our soldiers dying because its not his war, not his belief.

    you wont tell me where you live because I have pegged you to A T.

    it doesnt matter, i know your a hick, living for himself in nowheresville, smalltown guy who will never do anyhing other than live for himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    Plenty has been explained, as well as logically flowcharted out for your dumb ass. You're apparently too far off of your meds to grasp the arguments...tool.
    another great contribution, I dont take meds, and this arguement doesnt really even involve you if you havent noticed, im confused as to why your still here....tool? im suprised you can spell that.

    Like I said you should go somewhere where I can t see you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by searl12 View Post
    another great contribution, I dont take meds, and this arguement doesnt really even involve you if you havent noticed, im confused as to why your still here....tool? im suprised you can spell that.

    Like I said you should go somewhere where I can t see you.
    You know, for a coward hiding behind a "kidney condition" with all of your big talk, when you are ABLE and willing to serve, you let me know big guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    You know, for a coward hiding behind a "kidney condition" with all of your big talk, when you are ABLE and willing to serve, you let me know big guy.
    you know what buddy, ive already served, lol hiding thats funny, do you think its smart to go to basic when your not 100%

    ill tell you what you big dumb ouf juicebag, ill go tomorrow and sign up...il be sure to mail you my application too, and maybe after my topur of duty ill come see you and we;ll will go have a chat somewhere secluded, what do you think?

    keep selling your shtty supplements you pathetic waste of a human, all I have to do is put a pin in your arm and take away your roids and you will deflate and pop!

    Why would I make up a kidney problem? your pulling at strings juicebag, as gifted said ' put down the roids, eat a vegetable" he was talking to you homeboy! yet your still on his nt sack.

    your even more apthetic than him.
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    keep it coming guys, im having a blast here.
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    just make sure if you rat me out for all these posts you delete all of yours too big guy!

    you are a rat arent you? your gonna tell on me arent you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by searl12 View Post
    just make sure if you rat me out for all these posts you delete all of yours too big guy!

    you are a rat arent you? your gonna tell on me arent you?
    Seriously...you're a joke making yourself look quite foolish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by searl12 View Post
    you know what buddy, ive already served, lol hiding thats funny, do you think its smart to go to basic when your not 100%

    ill tell you what you big dumb ouf juicebag, ill go tomorrow and sign up...il be sure to mail you my application too, and maybe after my topur of duty ill come see you and we;ll will go have a chat somewhere secluded, what do you think?

    keep selling your shtty supplements you pathetic waste of a human, all I have to do is put a pin in your arm and take away your roids and you will deflate and pop!

    Why would I make up a kidney problem? your pulling at strings juicebag, as gifted said ' put down the roids, eat a vegetable" he was talking to you homeboy! yet your still on his nt sack.
    your even more apthetic than him.
    If you would enlist in the army over a internet conversation then you are exactly what i think you are. You have not nailed me to "A T". I really have made an effort to clarify what the problem with our medical system is and its the same thing thats wrong all over the world. Its people like you who pick a side and kill, people who throw insults and have no logic or reason to intelligently accomplish much but self extermination. And you say your sick and willing to go to war.. makes sense to me now.

    Although i do not always see eye to eye with Dsade he is not dumb at all.
    Funny thing is he and i are on different points in this disussion and the only thing in common is that we both see you arent comprehending much.
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    no I was going to enlist anyhow u fool, i told you that, not for a thread but for me, for the guys who need our help there, and because my country needs people for this duty.

    im done with both of you, enjoy mediocrity.
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    I got in here too late. It's not so much a matter of waiting a few hours for stitches as it is waiting months for much more significant treatment for major medical problems. There's also the issue of rationing. When your healthcare is funded by tax revenues, the quality will drop into the ****ter whenever the economy slips into a recession and tax revenues are down as they re now.

    Let's say for the sake of arguement, you go to the doc and complain of chronic headaches. Even if he believes there aren't any serious problems, he might be inclined to do a catscan or an MRI just to be 110% sure there's not tumor or other serious problems. How would you like to have a govt beaurocrat between you and your doc telling him what tests he can or can't run? You can rest assured that any tests that might be considered superflous will not be permitted by any govt run program.

    If you want to get a glimpse into what you can expect from "Universal Healthcare" (i.e. Govt Healthcare), take a look at how Medicare and Medicade have been managed by our beloved politicians and beaurocrats (who always know whats best for us). Better yet, next time you go to the DMV to renew your license, just take a look around. I hope you love it mah dem, cuz you voted for it!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by searl12 View Post
    I agree with you, I think we went to war the 2 of them and i so I doubt they will respond......my point was clouded with insanity and anger, my point simply is you souldnt have to wait for basic potential life saving z rays catscans, i dont know how to fix that...but someone has to.

    I only got so heated cause dude basiacally in a nutshell told me I was to blame for my health problems when he doesnt know me, or my hirstory, and that I was "one of those people" guy doesnt represent even 1% of the people s views in our country....like my friend roids...who sides with the enemy from our other thread...this guy needs to go sign up with the taliban, he seems to back them more than his own country.

    I actually have more respect for those little weasel bstards over there than these 2 dudes, at least the enemy takes a side and fights for what they believe in...no mater how fcked there belief is.
    Nobody is at war with you... you have flip flopped and begged for sympathy non-stop. You feel the need to become heated an irate because someone doesn't view the problems and solutions the same way you do. You seemingly want to call names and say people haven't walked in your shoes; as your end all be all argument. There just is no useful debating there. And jumping the gun an astronomical amount of times.

    SWG,
    I do not agree with you like 99% of the times, but I believe you are on the right track in a way. I may not believe aloe is the healing property for 3rd degree burns, but I most certainly can get on board with taking care of your own healthcare. This is the basis of a free market, and healthcare is no different than any other market, there is no hidden driving spirit to jack up healthcare costs. Put healthcare into peoples hands, and let the shopping around begin. Get rid of unconstitutional programs like Medicare/Caid/-D, and certainly take down evil government subsidized HMO's
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    How is it that it went from an idealogical circlejerk about the pros and cons of gov't healthcare, and the 2 canadians that have it, started a character assassination mission?
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    Quote Originally Posted by suncloud View Post
    i don't think you guys really understand socialized health care. canada has this setup, and any private citizen that wants quicker treatment gets private healthcare. when you have to wait 3 months for a non life-threatening surgery (ACL tear, etc), the wealthy opt for better care. the fundamental mistake that private health care makes, is that they suspect they will "go away", when clearly people would rather have and pay for quicker/more attentive doctors.

    anyone earning in the 90k bracket (or more) will ALWAYS choose to have better health care for their families, than what the lowest tier is forced to deal with.
    This completely ignores the effects of taxation on marginal decision making, which is what leads to increased usage of the public option over time and leaves the private option open only to the rich as a practical matter.

    the added benefit for socialized health care is it makes people want to go to the doctor for a minor infection, instead of going to the ER when it becomes a major infection, and then refuse/can't afford to pay for the surgery.... any time you can slash the end bill by a large portion that will have to be written off anyways, will help. not to mention prediabetes screenings...
    The increase in demand is not an added benefit, it's one of the features of socialized care that leads to inevitable failure.
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    Bay State Rationing
    By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:20 PM PT

    Health Care: Massachusetts' universal medical program is no longer universal. Coverage is being dropped for 30,000 because not enough money is around to pay for everyone. There's a lesson in this for Congress.


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    Unable to pay the enormous cost of Commonwealth Care, the state's subsidized insurance plan for low-income residents, Massachusetts lawmakers are throwing legal immigrants off the rolls. The state simply does not have enough money to pay its bills, and cuts have to be made somewhere.

    Three years ago, Massachusetts enacted a law that required every resident to have medical insurance. Commonwealth Care was created to subsidize those who couldn't afford to buy their own. It didn't take long for the program, which never achieved coverage for everyone, to run into trouble.

    Costs soared from $158 million in the first year to $630 million in 2007, then doubled in 2009 to $1.3 billion. Enrollment in the program has also surged. It stands at roughly 181,000, up from 165,000 in the early spring, and is projected to reach 212,000 next year.

    With 200,000 still uninsured most of whom likely would be eligible for the subsidized program imagine how much more steeply the costs would be rising if the state had met its goal of insuring everyone.

    Both Democrats and Republicans hailed Massachusetts' attempt to ensure that everyone had medical insurance coverage. Some on the right even praised the state for taking a market-based approach to the issue.

    A few observers, however, correctly noted that such a system cannot possibly be sustained. Demand, they said, will overwhelm it, just as demand has caused medical care rationing in Great Britain and Canada.

    Eva Millona, executive director of the Massachusetts Immigrant & Refugee Advocacy Coalition, told the New York Times that one possible outcome of the Massachusetts situation is "the message that health care reform cannot be done, period."

    Actually, that's the only message, if reform means increasing government's role. That message comes to us from across the Atlantic, from north of our border and now from within our own republic.

    What Massachusetts is learning is exactly what Washington will learn if it enacts the public option legislation being debated on Capitol Hill: The taxpayers are not an unending font of dollars; their inability to float costlier statist political schemes will eventually cause deficits.

    Do not put faith in promises of care for everyone at lower costs. They are false. Universal care will always increase costs and lead to rationing because it invites system overload. This is the message, and it must be spread before lawmakers do something foolish.
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    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...y_country.html

    Here is some comic relief. The Administration puppets went ot a "rural america" hick tour to persuade those that might be less educated. This is what they got.
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    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid..._townhall.html

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...care_plan.html

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...care_bill.html
    If barry O would read the bill, he would know that the bill will force people off employee or private insurance within 5 years. If your private insurance changes your premiums, then the govt would make it illegal for them to do that since it would be a "new policy" and would force you onto the govt plan. You can kepe your plan, but you can't change it. If your insurer changes part of your plan, the govt will mandate you off of it and onto the Obama plan. Sure Barry, you can keep your plan.
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    Study: 83 Mln Would Lose Private Health Coverage Under House Dem Plan
    By Philip Klein on 7.20.09 @ 12:16PM

    Democrats and President Obama have denied that the creation of a new government-run health care plan would be a Trojan Horse for single-payer health care, but a new report by the Lewin Group (comissioned by the Heritage Foundation) finds that the House Democrats' health care bill would shift more 83.4 million Americans from private health care coverage to the government plan. To put that in perspective, that would mean that nearly half (48.4 percent) would lose their private health coverage. In all, the government plan would have 103.4 million members once implemented, according to the Lewin analysis. President Obama has repeated the mantra that anybody who likes their health insurance plan can keep it, but in reality about 63 percent of covered Americans get their health care through their employers, and if employers decide to drop their current health plans in favor of the government plan, workers won't have any choice but to sign up.

    Here's a Lewin chart titled, "Changes in Sources of Coverage under the American Affordable Health Choices Act Assuming Full Implementation in 2011 (millions)":



    The reason for the dramatic shift is that the Lewin Group has anticipated that with government setting lower reimbursement rates for doctors, hospitals and other health care providers, the government plan will offer lower premiums than private plans. However, the flip side is that the Congressional Budget Office estimates providers will lose $361.9 billion in revenue over the next decade if the House bill is passed. That will mean lower quality of care, shortages in doctors and hospitals, and/or increased shifting of costs on to those with private health care. Should further cost-shifting occur, it will then in turn erode private health care coverage even more dramatically.



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    Healthcare 'fix' hurts small business
    OUR OPINION: House Democrats' reform places undue burden on entrepreneurs
    Lawmakers are racing to complete a bill that improves the nation's healthcare system before the momentum for reform runs out. The need for this legislation is clear, as is the need to move quickly.

    But reform should not place an unfair burden on one of the most vital and endangered sectors of our economy -- small business.

    The bill unveiled by House Democrats last week is a sweeping, 1,000-page blueprint containing scores of provisions that will change the way we pay for medicines and medical treatment. Some have more merit than others.

    The proposal to impose a penalty of 8 percent of payroll on all but the smallest businesses is particularly onerous and unworkable -- especially in South Florida where small businesses are the backbone of the area's economy.

    In the first place, it's a job killer. To understand why, it is necessary to understand both the nature of small businesses and the essential role they play in the American economy.

    According to the Small Business Administration, the nation's 6 million small employers represent 99.7 percent of the total number of businesses that provide jobs, and 50.2 percent of private-sector employment. Small businesses create about 70 percent of new jobs.

    Although this includes all businesses with fewer than 500 employees, the typical operation is far smaller. According to SBA figures, 89 percent have fewer than 20 employees, and 98 percent fewer than 100.

    Lose-lose proposal

    The bill's ''pay or play'' option offers owners with payrolls exceeding $400,000 two unpalatable choices: Either pay the 8 percent penalty, or pay part of the premium for all full-time employees.

    For many, this is a lose-lose proposition. A survey by the National Federation of Independent Business (NFIB) found that 20 percent of its respondents would simply shut down if they were faced with this choice. They couldn't afford it. One out of four said they would replace full-time workers with part-time workers in order to avoid having to pay anything.

    The level of the proposed penalty is a second problem.

    Small employers, like everyone else in America, will have to do their part to support healthcare reform, but the 8 percent figure is too burdensome.

    According to NFIB, a typical member employs five people and reports median gross sales of $350,000.

    For many of these employers, the option of paying for insurance instead of paying the government penalty would result in paying more in health premiums for each worker than for the employer's portion of the Social Security tax.

    Many employers earn relatively little from their businesses, not only making the proposed new fee a problem, but the difference between breaking even or going under.

    Built-in unfairness

    According to NFIB, 14 percent of small employers have household incomes of $50,000 or less. And 34 percent have a household income of $75,000 or less. For these businesses in particular there is a built-in unfairness in asking owners to subsidize employees who earn close to the same amount as the owner.

    And for households that earn $350,000 or more, there is a double whammy in the legislation if they own a small business. The House Democratic bill proposes a surtax on their personal earnings, in addition to payments to cover health insurance that would have to come all or in part from profits.

    The best part of the Obama administration's reform efforts involves the drive to improve the effectiveness and delivery of services and save costs. A significant number of healthcare providers has signed on.

    Containing costs

    Cost containment is essential to success.

    Employers who have conscientiously tried to provide insurance for their workers have had to pay more in return for less. They're getting killed by skyrocketing premiums. They will welcome reform that brings costs down to earth.

    It's not fair for some employers to pay for workplace insurance while others don't. A mandate that does not address rising costs and forces employers to provide a benefit they can't afford is not the answer.

    Lawmakers need to come up with a reform blueprint that offers a solution, not a penalty




    Reformers' Claims Just Don't Add Up
    By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Friday, July 17, 2009 4:20 PM PT

    Health Reform: Many extravagant claims have been made on behalf of the various health care "reforms" now emerging from Congress and the White House. But on closer inspection, virtually all prove to be false.


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    Yet even as many Americans start to have second thoughts about our government's possible takeover of the health care system, Congress is rushing to make it happen.

    On Friday, the House Ways and Means Committee approved a bill that would radically change our current system and expand coverage for the uninsured. The action came a day after the head of the Congressional Budget Office said none of the plans under review would slow health care spending. None of them.

    Still, lawmakers and the White House press on, relying on GOP weakness in the House and a new veto-proof majority in the Senate. They're also relying on a lack of awareness that claims made on behalf of national health care may be mostly false. Among them:

    • America has a health care crisis.

    No, we don't. Forty-seven million people lack insurance. Of the remaining 85% of the population, or 258 million people, polls show high satisfaction with the current coverage. Indeed, a 2006 poll by ABC News, the Kaiser Family Foundation and USA Today found 89% of Americans were happy with their own health care.

    As for the estimated 47 million not covered by health insurance, 20 million can afford to buy it, according to a study by former CBO Director June O'Neill. Most of the other 27 million are single and under 35, with as many as a third illegal aliens.

    When it's all whittled down, as few as 12 million are unable to buy insurance — less than 4% of a population of 305 million. For this we need to nationalize 17% of our nation's $14 trillion economy and change the current care that 89% like?

    • Health care reform will save money.

    Few of the plans now coming out of Congress will save anything, says the CBO's current chief, Douglas Elmendorf. In fact, he says, they'll lead to substantially higher costs in the future — costs that will be "unsustainable."

    As it is, estimates for reforming health care range from $1 trillion to $3.6 trillion. Much will be spent on subsidies to make a so-called public option more attractive to consumers than private plans.

    To pay for it, the president has suggested about $600 billion in new taxes, meaning that $500 billion to $2.1 trillion in new health care spending over the next decade will be unfunded. This could push up the nation's already soaring deficit, expected to reach $10 trillion through 2019 without health care reform. Massive new tax hikes will probably be needed to close the gap.

    • Only the rich will pay for reform.

    The 5.4% surtax on millionaires the president is pushing gets all the attention, but everyone down to $280,000 in income will pay more. Doesn't that still leave out the middle class and poor? Sorry. Workers who decline to take part will pay a tax of up to 2% of earnings. And small-businesses must pony up 8% of their payrolls.

    The poor and middle class must pay in other ways, without knowing it. The biggest hit will be on small businesses, which, due to new payroll taxes, will be less likely to hire workers. Today's 9.5% jobless rate may become a permanent feature of our economy — just as it is in Europe, where nationalized health care is common.

    • Government-run health care produces better results.

    The biggest potential lie of all. America has the best health care in the world, and most Americans know it. Yet we hear that many "go without care" while in nationalized systems it is "guaranteed."

    U.S. life expectancy in 2006 was 78.1 years, ranking behind 30 other countries. So if our health care is so good, why don't we live as long as everyone else?

    Three reasons. One, our homicide rate is two to three times higher than other countries. Two, because we drive so much, we have a higher fatality rate on our roads — 14.24 fatalities per 100,000 people vs. 6.19 in Germany, 7.4 in France and 9.25 in Canada. Three, Americans eat far more than those in other nations, contributing to higher levels of heart disease, diabetes and some cancers.

    These are diseases of wealth, not the fault of the health care system. A study by Robert Ohsfeldt of Texas A&M and John Schneider of the University of Iowa found that if you subtract our higher death rates from accidents and homicide, Americans actually live longer than people in other countries.

    In countries with nationalized care, medical outcomes are often catastrophically worse. Take breast cancer. According to the Heritage Foundation, breast cancer mortality in Germany is 52% higher than in the U.S.; the U.K.'s rate is 88% higher. For prostate cancer, mortality is 604% higher in the U.K. and 457% higher in Norway. Colorectal cancer? Forty percent higher in the U.K.

    But what about the health care paradise to our north? Americans have almost uniformly better outcomes and lower mortality rates than Canada, where breast cancer mortality is 9% higher, prostate cancer 184% higher and colon cancer 10% higher.

    Then there are the waiting lists. With a population just under that of California, 830,000 Canadians are waiting to be admitted to a hospital or to get treatment. In England, the list is 1.8 million deep.

    Universal health care, wrote Sally Pipes, president of the Pacific Research Institute in her excellent book, "Top Ten Myths Of American Health Care," will inevitably result in "higher taxes, forced premium payments, one-size-fits-all policies, long waiting lists, rationed care and limited access to cutting-edge medicine."

    Before you sign up, you might want to check with people in countries that have the kind of system the White House and Congress have in mind. Recent polls show that more than 70% of Germans, Australians, Britons, Canadians and New Zealanders think their systems need "complete rebuilding" or "fundamental change."

    • The poor lack care.

    Many may lack insurance, but that doesn't mean they lack care. The law says anyone who walks into a hospital emergency room must be treated. America has 37 million people in poverty, but Medicaid covers 55 million — at a cost of $350 billion a year.

    Moreover, as many as 11 million of the uninsured qualify for programs for the indigent, including Medicaid and SCHIP. But for some reason, they don't sign up. Are they likely to sign up for the "public option" when it's made available?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Nobody is at war with you... you have flip flopped and begged for sympathy non-stop. You feel the need to become heated an irate because someone doesn't view the problems and solutions the same way you do. You seemingly want to call names and say people haven't walked in your shoes; as your end all be all argument. There just is no useful debating there. And jumping the gun an astronomical amount of times.

    SWG,
    I do not agree with you like 99% of the times, but I believe you are on the right track in a way. I may not believe aloe is the healing property for 3rd degree burns, but I most certainly can get on board with taking care of your own healthcare. This is the basis of a free market, and healthcare is no different than any other market, there is no hidden driving spirit to jack up healthcare costs. Put healthcare into peoples hands, and let the shopping around begin. Get rid of unconstitutional programs like Medicare/Caid/-D, and certainly take down evil government subsidized HMO's
    how the fck am I begging for sympathy? read dudes first post, he pointed his nose down at me cause I have a small health problem! thats all ? where on here do you see me begging ? and maybe I did flip flop a little but it was worth it just to show how much of ignorant prck that guy was.

    Any ya our healthcare is free......but my arguement was that no./..its not free....were masssively taxed....and the system is falling apart.

    So if you like that idiot want to thumb your nost at my small medical problem and take it as me crying for help than you go right ahead. I now realize why you 2 are so similar, small town, hick, uneducated...etc etc I dont need to go any further.

    I know wha my healthcare is like cause I live here, have for 27 years and THE POINT IS IS THAT IT ISNT VERY DAMN GOOD!, and its notFREE! like my ignorant canadian friend thinks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by searl12 View Post
    how the fck am I begging for sympathy? read dudes first post, he pointed his nose down at me cause I have a small health problem! thats all ? where on here do you see me begging ? and maybe I did flip flop a little but it was worth it just to show how much of ignorant prck that guy was.

    Any ya our healthcare is free......but my arguement was that no./..its not free....were masssively taxed....and the system is falling apart.

    So if you like that idiot want to thumb your nost at my small medical problem and take it as me crying for help than you go right ahead. I now realize why you 2 are so similar, small town, hick, uneducated...etc etc I dont need to go any further.

    I know wha my healthcare is like cause I live here, have for 27 years and THE POINT IS IS THAT IT ISNT VERY DAMN GOOD!, and its notFREE! like my ignorant canadian friend thinks.
    Dude, you are comical. Your close mindedness is astounding... you have brought nothing of value to the conversation thus far... your demeanor screams uneducated, yet you call others uneducated.

    Take a step back, a deep breath, and reread the thread. You are all over the place man, your arguments are almost incomprehensible.

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    dude, let me ask you something, if someone insulted you due to a medical condition...would you be all over the place? would you be upset?

    Ill tell you one thing, I dont let people thumb their noses at me, or my health, according to that guy everyone who gets sick is to blame for their ilness? cant anyone see how fcked that way of thinking is?

    honestly if dude wouldnt have blamed me for our countrys poor healthcare and looked down at me because I now actually have to use it this thread would have never gotten so out of control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by searl12 View Post
    dude, let me ask you something, if someone insulted you due to a medical condition...would you be all over the place? would you be upset?

    Ill tell you one thing, I dont let people thumb their noses at me, or my health, according to that guy everyone who gets sick is to blame for their ilness? cant anyone see how fcked that way of thinking is?

    honestly if dude wouldnt have blamed me for our countrys poor healthcare and looked down at me because I now actually have to use it this thread would have never gotten so out of control.
    I never said SWG was right in that attack. I said he was right in saying people should manage their own health care and government managed health care is not the way to go. If someone says something about a medical condition I had... oh well... no skin off my back. My junk hangs far to the left... bag on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    I never said SWG was right in that attack. I said he was right in saying people should manage their own health care and government managed health care is not the way to go. If someone says something about a medical condition I had... oh well... no skin off my back. My junk hangs far to the left... bag on that.
    and Im the one all over the place who sounds uneducated.

    plz I beg of you dont respond im gonna pluck my own eyes out if I have to read anymore of this dumb thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by searl12 View Post
    and Im the one all over the place who sounds uneducated.

    plz I beg of you dont respond im gonna pluck my own eyes out if I have to read anymore of this dumb thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    yes my hick friend I am sighing at you as well.

    im sure we wouldnt get along in person either would we.
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    this is what you offer to the thread
    "If someone says something about a medical condition I had... oh well... no skin off my back. My junk hangs far to the left... bag on that."

    I mean WTF?
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    Quote Originally Posted by searl12 View Post
    this is what you offer to the thread
    "If someone says something about a medical condition I had... oh well... no skin off my back. My junk hangs far to the left... bag on that."

    I mean WTF?
    Dude... it's my medical condition... leave it alone!
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    hahaha fair enough, we disagree, its a free world...for most of us....and that is the beauty of it.

    Enjoy your day....

    Loving the cardinals too, if only my Blue jays could have kept up that amazing start....
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    Quote Originally Posted by youngandfree View Post


    How is it that it went from an idealogical circlejerk about the pros and cons of gov't healthcare, and the 2 canadians that have it, started a character assassination mission?
    I made my points and the responded to the attacks i was under.
  

  
 

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