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    We're screwed


    Franken got the seat, so now the democrats have the filibuster proof 60 vote majority in congress, a majority in the house, and a president who won't veto anything socialistic.

    Can we say spending spree like drunken sailors on their first shore leave?

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    yup.
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    I'm guessing you did not get the Letter from 2012 in Obama's America

    None of this is by chance: Isaiah 3

    I'm not going to be the "I told you so" guy but people in our country (on our planet) have eyes and are absolutley incapable of sight.

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    yesh, I remember that letter, sad and quite possible
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    Hey its almost 2010....and it's looking good for the good guys. It's sad to say that it took such a debacle like the 2008 election for people to wise up. We can only hope that things do not get too bad. Ronald Reagan was brought in when things were getting pretty bad....so just have faith.
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    guys hes been in office for how many months? I mean at least give him his four years, hes beter than Bush....2 wars...collapsed economy...i mean to get out of the mess he has to spend, would you rather things stay the same, and the same as in NOT WORKING.

    He was certainly better than the other option...another rich, white, old Republican and an arrogant, snooty , dumb airhead as his vice president.

    I for one think he will do fine, the old way wasnt working, lets try a new approach....if it fails theres always lots of rich white republicans to take his place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post
    Ronald Reagan was brought in when things were getting pretty bad....so just have faith.
    Right... because Reaganomics was such a stellar solution. Debt more than tripled (900 billion to 2.8 trillion dollars) during your God's time in office.
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    oh come on now, Reagan was god in the oval office lets be honest, we have not had the right person in charge at the right time in a while. It is still too early to tell about Obama, however these have been a rough couple of months
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    Quote Originally Posted by rubberring View Post
    Right... because Reaganomics was such a stellar solution. Debt more than tripled (900 billion to 2.8 trillion dollars) during your God's time in office.
    Which in the same time was probably single biggest aspect of collapsing the Soviet Union and their economy.

    When you cut the richest tax bracket from 70% to 28%, you are going to run a deficit in the short run, unless you believe that a 70% tax bracket was a good idea. It was the largest tax cut in US History. Its going to cause a deficit. At the same time job growth mirrored population growth, a ratio you should have.

    Yeah, that high tax bracket and surplus really spurred economic growth in the 70's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmo Kramer View Post
    At the same time job growth mirrored population growth, a ratio you should have.
    Here's a few more ratios you didn't mention:

    "The job growth under the Reagan administration was an average of 2.1% per year, which is in the middle of the pack of twentieth-century Presidents. Comparing the recovery from the 1981-82 recession (1983-1990) with the years between 1971 (end of a recession) and 1980 shows that the unemployment rate averaged higher under Reagan (6.75% vs. 6.35%), average productivity growth was slower under Reagan (1.38% vs. 1.92%) and private investment as a percentage of GDP also averaged lower under Reagan (16.08% vs. 16.86%). Furthermore, real wages declined during the Reagan Presidency. What makes this comparison so significant is that between 1971 and 1980 the economy suffered a severe recession in 1975 whereas during the Reagan recovery there was no such interruption."

    I know, I know... it's blasphemous.
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    [QUOTE=searl12;2071239]
    He was certainly better than the other option...another rich, white, old Republican and an arrogant, snooty , dumb airhead as his vice president.
    [QUOTE]



    Yea because a person who has actually had to run a state has much less experience than someone who has literally done nothing on the national stage. In obama's time in the senate was spent campainging. It's really showing now.

    Look I was not much for McCain either but Obama was the least qualified of the four person's on the national ticket.
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    [quote=Distilled Water;2071494][QUOTE=searl12;2071239]
    He was certainly better than the other option...another rich, white, old Republican and an arrogant, snooty , dumb airhead as his vice president.



    Yea because a person who has actually had to run a state has much less experience than someone who has literally done nothing on the national stage. In obama's time in the senate was spent campainging. It's really showing now.

    Look I was not much for McCain either but Obama was the least qualified of the four person's on the national ticket.
    I do agree my friend...and heck Im Canadian, but it does directly affect me as well so I chimed in. Hes learning on the go...and he has NO CHOICE but to spend and change things guys.

    It might not be pretty as of yet but its still early., I do think hes a very good man though...almost too charasmatic though if you ask me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rubberring View Post
    Here's a few more ratios you didn't mention:

    "The job growth under the Reagan administration was an average of 2.1% per year, which is in the middle of the pack of twentieth-century Presidents. Comparing the recovery from the 1981-82 recession (1983-1990) with the years between 1971 (end of a recession) and 1980 shows that the unemployment rate averaged higher under Reagan (6.75% vs. 6.35%), average productivity growth was slower under Reagan (1.38% vs. 1.92%) and private investment as a percentage of GDP also averaged lower under Reagan (16.08% vs. 16.86%). Furthermore, real wages declined during the Reagan Presidency. What makes this comparison so significant is that between 1971 and 1980 the economy suffered a severe recession in 1975 whereas during the Reagan recovery there was no such interruption."

    I know, I know... it's blasphemous.
    Did the unemployment rate grom from 6.75% to 10+% under Reagan? Nope and he was there for 8 years....it's grown that much in less than 8 months with Obama.....I can see where he was talking hope.....Hold on and hope it doesn't get worse
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    [quote=searl12;2071499][quote=Distilled Water;2071494]
    Quote Originally Posted by searl12 View Post
    He was certainly better than the other option...another rich, white, old Republican and an arrogant, snooty , dumb airhead as his vice president.


    I do agree my friend...and heck Im Canadian, but it does directly affect me as well so I chimed in. Hes learning on the go...and he has NO CHOICE but to spend and change things guys.

    It might not be pretty as of yet but its still early., I do think hes a very good man though...almost too charasmatic though if you ask me.
    Damn canadians
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    [quote=Distilled Water;2071502][quote=searl12;2071499]
    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post

    Damn canadians
    Damn Yanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rubberring View Post
    Here's a few more ratios you didn't mention:

    "The job growth under the Reagan administration was an average of 2.1% per year, which is in the middle of the pack of twentieth-century Presidents. Comparing the recovery from the 1981-82 recession (1983-1990) with the years between 1971 (end of a recession) and 1980 shows that the unemployment rate averaged higher under Reagan (6.75% vs. 6.35%), average productivity growth was slower under Reagan (1.38% vs. 1.92%) and private investment as a percentage of GDP also averaged lower under Reagan (16.08% vs. 16.86%). Furthermore, real wages declined during the Reagan Presidency. What makes this comparison so significant is that between 1971 and 1980 the economy suffered a severe recession in 1975 whereas during the Reagan recovery there was no such interruption."

    I know, I know... it's blasphemous.
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    According to a 1996 study[29] from the libertarian think tank Cato Institute:

    * On 8 of the 10 key economic variables examined, the American economy performed better during the Reagan years than during the pre- and post-Reagan years.
    * Real median family income grew by $4,000 during the Reagan period after experiencing no growth in the pre-Reagan years; it experienced a loss of almost $1,500 in the post-Reagan years.
    * Interest rates, inflation, and unemployment fell faster under Reagan than they did immediately before or after his presidency.
    * The only economic variable that was worse in the Reagan period than in both the pre- and post-Reagan years was the savings rate, which fell rapidly in the 1980s.
    * The productivity rate was higher in the pre-Reagan years but much lower in the post-Reagan years.

    In the last year of the Carter Administration (1980) the US inflation rate climbed to a peak of 14.8%, the top individual tax payer rate was 78%, unemployment was 7.4%, federal outlay was 17% higher than the economy's growth rate, and the federal government grew while enacting loads of new spending programs. During this period, the US economy was the worst it had been since the Great Depression of the 1930s.[citation needed] The nation was in quite a deep hole of economic collapse when the new president Ronald Reagan took office in January 1981.[citation needed] Reagan had to devise a constructive, sound tax and monetary policy to pull the US out of its economic low point.[citation needed]

    Stephen Moore of the Cato Institute stated that "no act in the last quarter century had a more profound impact on the US economy of the eighties and nineties than the Reagan tax cut of 1981." He claims that Reagan's tax cuts, combined with an emphasis on federal monetary policy, deregulation, and expansion of free trade created a sustained economic expansion creating America's greatest sustained wave of prosperity ever. The American economy grew by more than a third in size, producing a $15 trillion increase in American wealth. Every income group, from the richest, middle class and poorest in this country, grew its income (1981-1989). Consumer and investor confidence soared. Cutting federal income taxes, cutting the US government spending budget, cutting useless programs, scaling down the government work force, maintaining low interest rates, and keeping a watchful inflation hedge on the monetary supply was Ronald Reagan's formula for a successful economic turnaround. The economic principle that business expansion, jobs and wealth follow low tax rates is widely accepted. The last principle Ronald Reagan incorporated was the realization that immigrant workers are a key and vital component of the US economy.


    Criticisms

    Reagan's tax policies were accused of pushing both the international transactions current account and the federal budget into deficit and led to a significant increase in public debt. Debt more than tripled from 900 billion dollars to 2.8 trillion dollars during Reagan's tenure. This overspending would be continued in later presidents, with the result that debt 20 years later would jump to over 10 trillion. Advocates of the Laffer curve contend that the tax cuts did lead to a near doubling of tax receipts[citation needed] ($517 billion in 1980 to $1,032 billion in 1990), so that the deficits were actually caused by an increase in government spending. However, anonymous critics argue that the doubling of revenue is significantly smaller when looking at real inflation-adjusted figures ($1,077.4 billion in 1981 to $1,235.6 billion in 1988, measured in FY2000-dollars).[30] Furthermore, an analysis from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities argues that "history shows that the large reductions in income tax rates in 1981 were followed by abnormally slow growth in income tax receipts, while the increases in income-tax rates enacted in 1990 and 1993 were followed by sizeable growth in income-tax receipts." Specifically, the analysis calculated that the average annual growth rate of real income-tax receipts per working-age person was 0.2% from 1981 to 1990 and a much higher 3.1% from 1990 to 2001.[31]

    A recession occurred in 1982, his second year in office. This was central to Volcker's campaign against inflation: applying either the Phillips Curve or the NAIRU theory, high unemployment (more than 10 % of the labor force in both 1982 and 1983) undercuts inflation. Reagan benefited from the fact that Volcker relented (shifting to more expansionary monetary policy) after inflation had largely been beaten. Further, the sudden fall in oil prices around 1986 helped the economy attain demand growth without inflation in the late 1980s.

    The job growth under the Reagan administration was an average of 2.1% per year, which is in the middle of the pack of twentieth-century Presidents.[citation needed] Comparing the recovery from the 1981-82 recession (1983-1990) with the years between 1971 (end of a recession) and 1980 shows that the rate of growth of real GDP per capita averaged 2.77 under Reagan and 2.50% under Nixon, Ford and Carter. However, the unemployment rate averaged higher under Reagan (6.75% vs. 6.35%), average productivity growth was slower under Reagan (1.38% vs. 1.92%) and private investment as a percentage of GDP also averaged lower under Reagan (16.08% vs. 16.86%). Furthermore, real wages declined during the Reagan Presidency.[32] What makes this comparison so significant is that between 1971 and 1980 the economy suffered a severe recession in 1975 whereas during the Reagan recovery there was no such interruption.[33]

    Another recent critique of Reagan's policies stem from Tax Reform Act of 1986 and its impact on the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT). The tax reform was ostensibly to reduce or eliminate tax deductions. This legislation expanded the AMT from a law for untaxed rich investors to one refocused on middle class Americans who had children, owned a home, or lived in high tax states.[34] This parallel tax system hits middle class Americans the hardest by reducing their deductions and effectively raising their taxes. Meanwhile, the highest income earners (with incomes exceeding $1,000,000) are proportionately less affected thereby shifting the tax burden away from the richest 0.5%.[35] In 2006, the IRS's National Taxpayer Advocate's report highlighted the AMT as the single most serious problem with the tax code.[36] As of 2007, the AMT brought in more tax revenue than the regular tax which has made it difficult for Congress to reform.[35]







    But hey, lets go back to that 70% tax bracket. Lets ignore the fact that the increase in military spending equally spurred the Soviets to respond in which the result was a collapse of their Union...collapsing economies generally bring about social and political change throughout history...but we'll just ignore that part. Better to spend that money on government sponsored social programs

    "The changes to the federal tax code were much more substantial. The top marginal tax rate on individual income was reduced from 70 percent to 28 percent. The corporate income tax rate was reduced from 48 percent to 34 percent. The individual tax brackets were indexed for inflation. And most of the poor were exempted from the individual income tax. "


    Oh the humanity...
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    like I said...give the guy at least...2 years, I mean he inherited a massive mess...wtf do all you people expect? he has to spend to fix it...and if he cant fix it then noone can, its a massive mess....I dont envy his job at all, everyone will blame him when he inherited this nightmare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post
    Did the unemployment rate grom from 6.75% to 10+% under Reagan? Nope and he was there for 8 years....it's grown that much in less than 8 months with Obama.....I can see where he was talking hope.....Hold on and hope it doesn't get worse
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    Quote Originally Posted by searl12 View Post
    like I said...give the guy at least...2 years, I mean he inherited a massive mess...wtf do all you people expect? he has to spend to fix it...and if he cant fix it then noone can, its a massive mess....I dont envy his job at all, everyone will blame him when he inherited this nightmare.
    If he sells an $800 billion stimulus package....the SECOND one and stated it will help create jobs and we won't go above 8% unemployment, I expect it to create jobs and the unemployment rate not to go above 8%. He's failed on both. He has doubled the national debt in 2 months (something that took Reagan 8 years to do while collapsing the biggest nuclear threat the world has seen) and we have almost 10% unemployment with a prediction to break 10%. I hate to break it to you, but once you reach 10%, its no longer a recession...its a depression and you can get ready for another long forgotten decade as happened in the 30's and the 70's.....from you guessed it, massive government spending, a devalued dollar, increased inflation and an idiot public that thinks he's actually doing something.

    I expect his administration to not admit the crisis was more severe then they thought when in the last 4 months of campaign that's exactly what they ran on...the worst economy since the Great Depression....and now they are saying they didn't expect to be this bad? Are you joking? They were the biggest fear mongers in this country with how bad it was going to be and now you say its worse than you expected? Hello? Bueller?

    I expect him to actually do something that would spur growth in actual business, not take jobs away from the private sector by using tax payer money to expand government programs so he can claim he created jobs.

    Who cares if he inherited something..isn't that why he ran in the first place? To fix the problems we have? And now he's in office you give him a free pass because...he inherited it? What do you and everyone else think the President does? Stand there and look good? We're 6 months in......he passed his economic recovery act in February and can you tell what has recovered? Anything? Now we need a second one? Can you seriously sit there and believe that he hasn't had enough time to do SOMETHING positive? Wait I found something...he saved GM from going bankrupt because it would be horrible on the economy if they did...oh wait, they did go bankrupt....so much for that bailout too.

    I remember Republicans were against bailing them out and to have them file for bankruptcy. They were labeled as harsh and uncaring. Well, that's what exactly happened. Why? It was the best solution.
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    good points man, like I said...its your guys country and your mess...My country is in shambles with unemploymet as well. noone and I mean NOONE is hiring here....but our banks are the most stable in all the world.

    Either was it just sucks everywhere in my opinion. Ive lost 3 jobs this year through no fault of my own.
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    The other thing I find great is that when they figure the "jobs saved" it's simply 1 job for every $92,000 spent in stimulus money. I am aware its hard to compute jobs saved but this is absolutly hilarious to me.
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    the world sucks right now...canada' s stimulis plan......get this....ready? A TAX BREAK ON ANYONE WANTING TO DO HOME IMPROVEMENTS!..............

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    Quote Originally Posted by searl12 View Post
    wtf do all you people expect? he has to spend to fix it...and if he cant fix it then noone can, its a massive mess....I dont envy his job at all, everyone will blame him when he inherited this nightmare.
    how do you fix being heavily in debt by spending more? have you ever taken a class in accounting?

    "if he can't fix it noone can" is the dumbest thing i've heard you say yet. What are his qualifications? he won his first elected seat by waiting until after the registration as entrant guideline and then used legal maneuvers to disqualify all of his opponents, winning by default. each position he's held he spent more time working on trying to get his next position than fulfilling the one he's in. And his degrees are in constitutional law, which doesn't give him any sort of perspective into economics. He has worse chance of making it better, because he's living on hopes and dreams rather than math and economics. He's just doing the bread and circuses thing, which is why dumb people like him
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    how do you fix being heavily in debt by spending more? have you ever taken a class in accounting?

    "if he can't fix it noone can" is the dumbest thing i've heard you say yet. What are his qualifications? he won his first elected seat by waiting until after the registration as entrant guideline and then used legal maneuvers to disqualify all of his opponents, winning by default. each position he's held he spent more time working on trying to get his next position than fulfilling the one he's in. And his degrees are in constitutional law, which doesn't give him any sort of perspective into economics. He has worse chance of making it better, because he's living on hopes and dreams rather than math and economics. He's just doing the bread and circuses thing, which is why dumb people like him
    Hey buddy, or should I say azzhole, thx for insulting me and calling me dumb, I actually have a degree, am quite intelligent and could honestly care a less about what happens to your country anymore...after this post why the fck should I care if he takes you guys right into the gutter.

    All I meant by saying if he cant noone can is that any new candidate would inherit the same massive problems....anyone would be just as handcuffed as he is, you think all these problems are his fault dont you? well that my friend makes you "one of those dumb people who dont like him"

    who gives you the right to call anyone stupid just cause they disagree with you?

    Like I said arguing with Americans over politics is pointless especially considering I really dont give a fclying fck...this is your problem, my country is doing 10X better, so ill just sit here and watch yahoos like you critisize him...and do nothing about it.

    Hope you enjoyed sitting at your computer thinking your so smart because you disagree with someone......like I said its been 6 fckn months, how good of a job would you have done in 6 months?

    jesus your ignorant!
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    Quote Originally Posted by searl12 View Post
    Hey buddy, or should I say azzhole, thx for insulting me and calling me dumb, I actually have a degree, am quite intelligent
    nobody would ever guess that from reading most of your posts.
    Quote Originally Posted by searl12 View Post
    All I meant by saying if he cant noone can is that any new candidate would inherit the same massive problems....anyone would be just as handcuffed as he is, you think all these problems are his fault dont you? well that my friend makes you "one of those dumb people who dont like him"
    Ok, now a new stupidest statement, "handcuffed as he is" ? He is the first president in I don't know how long to have a majority in his party in both the house and senate and have a fillibuster proof majority in senate. thats as anti-handcuffed as anyone.

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    who gives you the right to call anyone stupid just cause they disagree with you?
    when they say stupid things it does, plus i'm in america, freedom of speech and all.


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    Hope you enjoyed sitting at your computer thinking your so smart because you disagree with someone......like I said its been 6 fckn months, how good of a job would you have done in 6 months?
    A better job, as I wouldn't have put us more than 10% more in national debt while doing no economical help, and already have plans to add another 15-20% on top of that within the next year.

    Quote Originally Posted by searl12 View Post
    jesus your ignorant!
    thankfully, not half as ignorant as you. Now do just like you do in other arguments, proceed to talking about how huge you were, and how you'd meet me anywhere to kick my ass blah blah blah

    ethugs are so funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    nobody would ever guess that from reading most of your posts.

    Ok, now a new stupidest statement, "handcuffed as he is" ? He is the first president in I don't know how long to have a majority in his party in both the house and senate and have a fillibuster proof majority in senate. thats as anti-handcuffed as anyone.


    when they say stupid things it does, plus i'm in america, freedom of speech and all.




    A better job, as I wouldn't have put us more than 10% more in national debt while doing no economical help, and already have plans to add another 15-20% on top of that within the next year.



    thankfully, not half as ignorant as you. Now do just like you do in other arguments, proceed to talking about how huge you were, and how you'd meet me anywhere to kick my ass blah blah blah

    ethugs are so funny.
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    What a sad pitiful life you must have
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    The Federal government is out of control, but it's not because of Obama.

    It started when we invaded Iraq under false pretenses, and we should have pulled out immediately when there weren't any weapons of mass destruction. We've spent hundreds of billions of dollars on Iraq and Afghanistan, with very little to show for it except a worn-out military and a crushing national debt that is going to take generations to pay for.

    Forget about Republican or Democrat, and vote for politicians who will balance the budget and cut back the size of the Federal government.

    The longer we stay in Iraq and Afghanistan, the poorer we become as a country. Let the Middle East handle their problems. We've got more important things to take care of in our own country.
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    Yep. Osama bin Laden's stated goal was/is to bankrupt the US by making us play wacka-mole across the globe. Gotta admit, he's doing a pretty fine job.

    I think most people want a smaller, more efficient "govt" per se, there's just little agreement on where those cuts should take place...military? social programs? environment? infrastructure?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bioman View Post
    Yep. Osama bin Laden's stated goal was/is to bankrupt the US by making us play wacka-mole across the globe. Gotta admit, he's doing a pretty fine job.

    I think most people want a smaller, more efficient "govt" per se, there's just little agreement on where those cuts should take place...military? social programs? environment? infrastructure?
    Exactly. I've seen us waste thousands on extra security with the goal of "deterrence". Just yesterday I rode on the ferry to Galveston, and was stopped for a random inspection of my car. Not only did it cost me time, but more people had to be hired (at taxpayer expense) to conduct the inspections.

    We're exponentially increasing the debt, and getting closer and closer to bankruptcy.
  

  
 

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