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  1. Quote Originally Posted by rippedforce63 View Post
    Personally I'm a lapsed catholic, I became very disenfranchised with the church a long time ago. But I still have a strong belief in God, I just thinks it takes away from man's own humanity and sense of self if the only reason a person acts just and right is because there is a reward at the end. I was always taught to treat people with kindness and helpfulness not based on a book but because its the right thing to do. Just out of curiousity which nation did god back before america came into being?


    Israel is God's chosen nation.


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  3. Quote Originally Posted by youngandfree View Post
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    Israel is God's chosen nation.
    lol, Was*

    They blew it when Jesus came, hence what they have fallen into.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Zero V View Post
    lol, Was*

    They blew it when Jesus came, hence what they have fallen into.
    Actually that is what had to happen.If Christ had not died we would not have salvation.If you want to blame a group of people,what about the romans they were the ones who actually crucified Him.What i am saying is blame no whole group of people.Jesus said he was first sent to the Jews first then to the gentiles.He knew what was coming and allowed it to happen,because it was the only way we could ever be united with God.

  5. Anyone else think this country peaked in the 50s and has gone progressively downhill since?

  6. Quote Originally Posted by TexasTitan View Post
    Anyone else think this country peaked in the 50s and has gone progressively downhill since?
    Every country has its Golden Age, We didn't miss it. We were just premature, mankind in and of itself has alot of potential to do good for this planet, and possibly others. It will never happen until we start thinking more global, and less country.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by TexasTitan View Post
    Anyone else think this country peaked in the 50s and has gone progressively downhill since?
    Once the Bible started getting trashed(the 50s) it has gone downhill.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by 416 View Post
    Actually that is what had to happen.If Christ had not died we would not have salvation.If you want to blame a group of people,what about the romans they were the ones who actually crucified Him.What i am saying is blame no whole group of people.Jesus said he was first sent to the Jews first then to the gentiles.He knew what was coming and allowed it to happen,because it was the only way we could ever be united with God.
    And if you read the rest of the story (the end of the Bible), Israel is still the chosen nation. God will have his say and raise his nation back up. We do not want to be on the wrong side when everything starts to happen and God begins to restore his people.

    If you haven't read revelation, or find it hard to make sense of it, there is a fantastic series out called Left Behind. It's written by Dr. Tim LaHaye. It is a fiction story that illustrates what is going to happen as layed out in Revelation. There is a movie series that makes it visual and really makes you think about what is going to happen in the world when God says it is time. It is really eye opening just visually seeing how things are going to happen.

    Rippedforce, I don't blame you one bit for being disenfranchised with the catholic church, or any church for that matter. What you have to remember is that it isn't about one set of "church" beliefs, rules, philosophies. It's about what God has to say. Everything that happened in the new testament was predicted in the old. Everything that happened to Jesus was predicted before Jesus was ever born. So it's important to remember, that everything that is layed out in revelation is going to happen, it's just a matter of when. Some believe that the time is getting near. Joel Rosenberg has done some great research that ties things that have been happening in the world, middle east in particular, to the events that are layed out in revelation.

    So no matter what church affiliation you might have, or don't have, the future is still layed out. I don't put much credibility in any church or denomination that makes their own "rules". Denominations were generally started when someone became disenfranchised and decided I will just start my own church.

    Were there groups and civilizations that were worse off than we are now? Absolutely. How did God deal with them once they got completely out of hand? Sodom and Gommorah ring a bell?

    We are definitely heading to hell in a handbasket, moreso than any other time in American history. Just make sure you know where you are going to spend eternity, because you never know when it will too late to make the most important decision in your life.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by TexasTitan View Post
    Anyone else think this country peaked in the 50s and has gone progressively downhill since?
    I agree with you. After the big sixties movement it seemed like more and more people started to loose their sense of morality.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by youngandfree View Post
    And if you read the rest of the story (the end of the Bible), Israel is still the chosen nation. God will have his say and raise his nation back up. We do not want to be on the wrong side when everything starts to happen and God begins to restore his people.

    If you haven't read revelation, or find it hard to make sense of it, there is a fantastic series out called Left Behind. It's written by Dr. Tim LaHaye. It is a fiction story that illustrates what is going to happen as layed out in Revelation. There is a movie series that makes it visual and really makes you think about what is going to happen in the world when God says it is time. It is really eye opening just visually seeing how things are going to happen.

    Rippedforce, I don't blame you one bit for being disenfranchised with the catholic church, or any church for that matter. What you have to remember is that it isn't about one set of "church" beliefs, rules, philosophies. It's about what God has to say. Everything that happened in the new testament was predicted in the old. Everything that happened to Jesus was predicted before Jesus was ever born. So it's important to remember, that everything that is layed out in revelation is going to happen, it's just a matter of when. Some believe that the time is getting near. Joel Rosenberg has done some great research that ties things that have been happening in the world, middle east in particular, to the events that are layed out in revelation.

    So no matter what church affiliation you might have, or don't have, the future is still layed out. I don't put much credibility in any church or denomination that makes their own "rules". Denominations were generally started when someone became disenfranchised and decided I will just start my own church.

    Were there groups and civilizations that were worse off than we are now? Absolutely. How did God deal with them once they got completely out of hand? Sodom and Gommorah ring a bell?

    We are definitely heading to hell in a handbasket, moreso than any other time in American history. Just make sure you know where you are going to spend eternity, because you never know when it will too late to make the most important decision in your life.
    Amen brother. The only thing that i might not agree with you is when you said that the Left Behind series depicts how its actually going to happen, and it could very well happen that way. But there are many other theories on how everything is going to happen. Some believe in the Rapture, some believe that we are going to have live on this earth during the times of tribulation, and others believe that the entire book of Revelation was written for Israel during the times of Romes rule over the children of God and that we dont know at all when judgment will happen; it will just happen in the blink of an eye "like a thief in the night". I personally dont even think one to be more likely than the other just as long as I will be with Jesus when I die. So no one can really be sure. But i agree with everything else you said in your post.
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  11. I didn't mean the left behind series was word for word accurate, I just meant the story depicts the main points that are layed out. Character stories and specifics are fictional, but the premise reflects what's written. I haven't read the books, just seen the movies.

    If the believers are taken in rapture, and the unbelievers have to endure the tribulation, then yes, both theories are correct.

    Your personal decision is the most important. It's not about joining a church or religion, it's about what God can do in your life and how you can be a blessing to others. Jesus is the one that can change people's hearts, break addictions, and radically change your life.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by youngandfree View Post
    I didn't mean the left behind series was word for word accurate, I just meant the story depicts the main points that are layed out. Character stories and specifics are fictional, but the premise reflects what's written. I haven't read the books, just seen the movies.

    If the believers are taken in rapture, and the unbelievers have to endure the tribulation, then yes, both theories are correct.

    Your personal decision is the most important. It's not about joining a church or religion, it's about what God can do in your life and how you can be a blessing to others. Jesus is the one that can change people's hearts, break addictions, and radically change your life.
    But even the premises could not be one hundred percent true. It is also possible that there will not be any signs of when Christ comes for his people; it will be in the blink of an eye when it is least expected; and its also possible that revelation was mainly written for the early Christains that were being prosecuted and killed, and is not talking about the end of the world. There are so many theories with so many different premises. All im trying to say is that even the premises of which the Left Behind series layed out could be completely wrong... But it doesnt matter who is right or wrong about the end times. All that matters is if we have accepted Jesus.

  13. If the country was so moral back in the "good ole days". I guess the lynching and deaths of tens of thousands of blacks in america would be considered a faux pas or internment camps set up to house thousands of japanese americans during world war 2. Or women being considered second class citizens until the dawn of the twentieth century. History should not be looked at thru rose colored glasses.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by rippedforce63 View Post
    If the country was so moral back in the "good ole days". I guess the lynching and deaths of tens of thousands of blacks in america would be considered a faux pas or internment camps set up to house thousands of japanese americans during world war 2. Or women being considered second class citizens until the dawn of the twentieth century. History should not be looked at thru rose colored glasses.
    No but the lynching of thieves/rapists/murderers still sounds damn nice. As for the japanese during WWII, sorry, War is War, and the japanese were a horrid and notorious enemy. No precautions are too harsh, the sacrifice of the few, for the greater good of the many IMO. Though the camps could have been ran much better IMO as well.

    As for women being second class. I personally do not believe women should be allowed to be soldiers/cops. Other than that, everything else I hope they get into and succeed. Doctors, business owners, etc, etc... I watch too many shows with female officers getting easily overpowered even with their mace and tazers. Its not a job they are built for.

    Same thing with soldiers. I honor them equally now that they are in, but I am also happy they are not allowed to be infantry or SF atm. At least last time I checked. Not because I believe they CANT, but its just programmed in guys to "Protect the Women" its the way we are, how we are supposed to care. This creates all kind of screw ups in war, such as cases in Iraq and such. If a women is in trouble, orders and such become second priority because nature kicks in.

    Not that they arent crack shots(some of the best shots in the world are from great female shooters on the ranges), or some of them are not amazing at combat(though most are not) the ratios are alot different. a 180 lb man vs a 200 lb enemy is hard enough, but a 140 lb girl vs a 200 lb enemy is...well...over before it begins in close combat. Most military girls are NOT built limber enough to count martial arts as a benefit. I know, been there, seen em. Its just lucky we areny in a war that is massive enough to cause casualties into the 100,000's like WWII. Sorry this is likely just the part of me that says we are supposed to protect them, at all costs. This is not their job to die. ITs a mans duty. SO if a man dies, its not no where near as sad. We have burried fathers and sons since the dawn of man in war. But not mothers daughters. Its just not right to have to do that.

    History should be learned from. Honestly today though, every equal rights leader is Crapping in their graves. Martin Luther King would have a heart attack if he was not dead, and womens rights leaders would see that the freedoms they instilled also brought about strip clubs and the such and the modern slut and would likely set about beating the crap out of those women themselves.

    Human nature is this: Once we get a foot, we want a mile. And once we taste freedom, we want more than just that.

    I wish women could have had their rights without becoming what they have, men could have given more to others without becoming needy on substance/fun, and race could truly be erased and we all be one=mankind.

    Cant happen, and its too late to do anything about it. The world is built in a suicide frenzy guaranteed to finish us off eventually. We can no longer fix criminals, race cant be erased because everyone thinks they are owed something by someone else be them white/black/tan/whatever. Death is so overly feared is BS.

    Honestly, you want to fix some of the problems, kill off 60% of the earths population. No more energy crisis, or starvation, wipe out the ones with diseases and STD's or who would be rabble rousers. And the world would improve a thousand fold. Do away with excess technology. Things would run smoother. But that really is not an option. I dont want 4 billion deaths on my hand, so I guess we will just let destiny unfold.

    People complain of death of the past, when it is death of the future they should focus on.

    See death is always viewed as "The Problem" when all the time it has been the answer. Because the only way you get out of this hell hole, is to die.

    I am in no way racist/sexist or anything if any of that accidentally came off that way. I support universal equality, but certain things, even Biblicaly speaking, should be accepted. Really all that applies to modesty and the soldier/cop thing.

    ITs all I want I want I want. Such as what atheists and other religions have done to America. Raped it and left it a soulless empty nation.

    Politics can take a .45 and blow its brains out. Freedom of religion yes, but I believe in a national religion. If you dont like the pledge of allegiance, then cover your ears instead of your heart.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Persian1012 View Post
    You are entitled to your own opinion... When did i ever say that there were not gays around in the old days? Of coarse there were, but just because they were always around doesn't mean its morally right to be gay. I believe in the bible as being the true word of god, you probably don't and you can make your own choices. But this country was founded on Christian principles. Its only logical to assume that the reason you say that this country is the greatest country on earth to live in is because of the quality of life this country offers you... That being said, did you know that the Declaration of Independence, and our bill of rights all gain their moral principles from the bible? Like it or not, the fore fathers that laid down the base foundation for this nation were Christian. The American way of life that you and I love so much is undoubtedly derived from Christianity; or atleast it was. I can guarantee now that Obama is changing the American way of life, you will start to change your mind about America being the best country in the world to live in.
    \\the idea that the founding fathers put forth christian principles is laughable. They were deists, which in case you were unaware is a huge difference. In fact, guys like Franklin and Jefferson (I use them due to their role with the Declaration) did all they could to keep religion out of the foundation of the country.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by roids1 View Post
    There's some sad truth in that rant. We'd better start learning how to speak mandarin for when the Chinese call our debt.
    When have we ever paid debt back? Do you think we're going to start now? Obama is a screw up, but I don't think this speech is coming down the pipe any time soon:

    "My fellow Americans,

    "I'm here to speak to you today and let you know, all that stuff I promised, well it's got to go. No free health care, no jobs, nada. What's more, we're going to raise taxes on everyone, especially working class people. We're also cutting entitlements, especially social security, medicare, medicaid. I know all this comes as a shock to you, but we must do it, we must tighten our belts.

    "Because you see, the Chinese need their money, and we Americans are good for our debts people. We borrowed a ****load of money and used it to fund the biggest spending bender this side of reality, and now it's time to pay the piper, who in this case speaks Mandarin..."

    Bull****. We'll call the Chinese predatory lenders, demand they 'modify' our debt our we'll find some way to repudiate it, and there will be likely some severe military tensions if not out and out war which will probably revolve around Korea. And everyone in the US, being dumb ****s and thinking war is a way to prosperity, will be all for it.

    The only ray of hope right now are two bills sitting in the house and senate, that prompt an audit of The Fed. If people see the real thief behind the curtain they may go another way, but I doubt it. Even if it passes the rhetoric surrounding The Fed's actions will be keynesian and/or monetarist in nature, few if anyone will likely demand they stop the printing presses.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by lozgod View Post
    God forbid you don't agree with the new norm like men should be able to marry each other and are entitled to each others blue cross blue shield. You are a bigot if you don't share the belief that is acceptable. Get the **** out of here you ****ing freaks. We need the draft back bad. Send some of these freaks over to the middle east as gun fodder.
    Bigot? Perhaps. However there is this little thing called equality before the law, a standard Americans generally try to uphold however imperfectly, and it has yet to be argued convincingly that allowing gay men or women to contract with each other for purposes of inherritence and hospital visits and what not, to basically get the same special rights straight couples get, poses any threat to anyone or anything.

    Is there a loss of standards in the world? Perhaps. Problem is, every generation has said that about the upcoming generation since the begining of time. The world has been going to hell because of the kids for the last few millenia it seems. To me this argument is nothing more than defering blame to the essentially powerless. It is the working public of voting age that controls everything, sets standards, etc. The kids' failures are really their failures.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Persian1012 View Post
    You are entitled to your own opinion... When did i ever say that there were not gays around in the old days? Of coarse there were, but just because they were always around doesn't mean its morally right to be gay. I believe in the bible as being the true word of god, you probably don't and you can make your own choices. But this country was founded on Christian principles.
    Two of which are personal resonsibility and self determination. Two things easily lost when people confuse what may or may not be moral with what should and should not be legal. This country was also founded with the knowledge of what happens when you mix church and state, and that is a corruption of both. The state is put to purposes it is not properly suited to, the church is corrupted with power and mass opinion, and its message diluted.

    If you want your religion to be as strong as possible you need to stop complaining about the actions of others, stop implying and/or demanding the state force them to conform, and set your own example and standard of success by abiding by the principles you hold hear. Grant to the state the power to force conformity, you run the risk of people getting into power who disagree with you, and they will then begin to decimate the beliefs and standards you hold dear by forcing nonconformity with them and taking from you the power to set and keep your own standards.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Persian1012 View Post
    The last 30 years?.. Before the last 30 years this country was based on good morals. Granted there were still people doing bad immoral things, but the majority of the people upheld morality as a very important issue, the issue of morality is what founded this country. All the early presidents of this nation and up to about 30 years ago were elected mainly due to their sense of good morals. Before 30 years ago moral issues never had to be pushed on the American people because the majority were already living good moral based lives.
    Do you actually have some proof of this, or is this just some "oh but for the lost golden age" bull****? People were more moral back then? Same people who gave us the income tax? The Alien and Sedition Act? The Fed? The welfare warfare state? Same people who made Indians kinda hard to find? Who used blacks for medical experiments or as tree ornaments, or fire hose aiming practice? The same people who treated women as chattle, who forbade them to own property and vote, and who said beating them was okay so long as the stick you used wasn't too thick, those people? Oh but for the golden age where people really weren't more moral or ethical than now, it was just easier to get away with bashing and killing those with whom you disagreed and as such they tended to hide and/or make themselves scarce. Oh but for the golden age where in the country based on 'freedom' significant portions of the population had to hide, lie, and fear physical abuse, imprisonment, and death to varying degrees based on their skin color, genetalia, and what they did with the latter. Oh but for the days when the niggers and the reds and the browns and the chinks knew their places and shut up or got the fire hose or the noose, when the ***s had to live in fear and when the women kept their cow asses in the kitchen and died regularly in child birth. What a time! ****, if we could only turn back the clock we might have the wonderous morality of seeing Barak Obama, **** up that he is, hanging from a tree in the rose garden. That would sure solve a lot of our problems, and then we could use fire hoses to wipe away his cabinet appointments. Oh for the days of greater morality that never really existed except on the back of the mistreatment of so many.

    Your more moral world comes with too many niggers in nooses, ***s lying dead in trenches, and women in graves, all of them robbed of their potential by your ****ed up piece of **** utopia. I'll take today's less moral world over that any day.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    \\the idea that the founding fathers put forth christian principles is laughable. They were deists, which in case you were unaware is a huge difference. In fact, guys like Franklin and Jefferson (I use them due to their role with the Declaration) did all they could to keep religion out of the foundation of the country.
    This is correct. Religion was considered tyranny by the founders of this country. That was one of the main reasons for breaking away from England. They believed no one should be persecuted for their beliefs.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by lozgod View Post
    This is correct. Religion was considered tyranny by the founders of this country. That was one of the main reasons for breaking away from England. They believed no one should be persecuted for their beliefs.
    This is at base incorrect. The problem they saw was the mix of government and religion. They wanted religion free of government and government free of religion because of the corrupting power each had on the other. Saying they were deists is technically correct while ignoring the change in context of that word in time. Deism back then was a hell of a lot more religious than it would be considered now. What we now consider religious persecution they likely would have seen as maintaining basic community standards.

    And they wanted it kept free from the federal government. Several state churches were already established at the time of ratification and no one saw that as incompatible with the constitution. Then as now, immgration patterns held and like minded people tended to stick together, states were very homogenous when it came to their religion. As such... "I consider the government of the United States as interdicted by the Constitution from intermeddling with religious institutions, their doctrines, discipline, or exercises. This results not only from the provision that no law shall be made respecting the establishment or free exercise of religion, but from that also which reserves to the states the powers not delegated to the United States. Certainly, no power to prescribe any religious exercise or to assume authority in religious discipline has been delegated to the General Government. It must then rest with the states, as far as it can be in any human authority." --Thomas Jefferson

  22. Quote Originally Posted by CDB View Post
    This is at base incorrect. The problem they saw was the mix of government and religion. They wanted religion free of government and government free of religion because of the corrupting power each had on the other. Saying they were deists is technically correct while ignoring the change in context of that word in time. Deism back then was a hell of a lot more religious than it would be considered now. What we now consider religious persecution they likely would have seen as maintaining basic community standards.

    And they wanted it kept free from the federal government. Several state churches were already established at the time of ratification and no one saw that as incompatible with the constitution. Then as now, immgration patterns held and like minded people tended to stick together, states were very homogenous when it came to their religion. As such... "I consider the government of the United States as interdicted by the Constitution from intermeddling with religious institutions, their doctrines, discipline, or exercises. This results not only from the provision that no law shall be made respecting the establishment or free exercise of religion, but from that also which reserves to the states the powers not delegated to the United States. Certainly, no power to prescribe any religious exercise or to assume authority in religious discipline has been delegated to the General Government. It must then rest with the states, as far as it can be in any human authority." --Thomas Jefferson
    I just didnt feel like saying all that. lol. I gave the abridged version. Like saying the Civil War was over slavery. Thanks for elaborating.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by lozgod View Post
    I just didnt feel like saying all that. lol. I gave the abridged version. Like saying the Civil War was over slavery. Thanks for elaborating.
    That's at base incorrect...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CDB View Post
    The only ray of hope right now are two bills sitting in the house and senate, that prompt an audit of The Fed. If people see the real thief behind the curtain they may go another way, but I doubt it. Even if it passes the rhetoric surrounding The Fed's actions will be keynesian and/or monetarist in nature, few if anyone will likely demand they stop the printing presses.
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  25. the raising of minimum wage is part of what is pulling our economy down. The people who know a thing or two about economics and how the government works are at their office somewhere, and the people who have no clue, but just want more money have time to go vote for the raised minimum wage. It creates a surplus of workers, lowers the standard of living, and just is a dumb idea.... but the government doesn't want all the mcdonalds workers to know that they are actually digging themselves deeper in the hole.

    If this country does go down the path of socialism, which it appears to be slowly doing, it will get ugly. Universal health care is just not an option, and if tax's are lowered that means somewhere else something is going up that you pay for. It is all strategy the government plays.

    I am neither conservative or liberal, as their are certain things I like/dislike about either party, but damn... as our population is getting poorer and poorer, and the uneducated group is growing it is just going to continue to get worse unless someone explains to them exactly what is happening to them.
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  26. Minimum wage is the chiuaua of economics. It's something that makes a lot of noise and you oppose on technical grounds, but really doesn't add up to much. Yes, technically it leads to a surplus of labor at the margins. Bottom line though is that tendency has likely been overshadowed by inflation and regulation. Or, put otherwise, congress is not likely to raise the minimum wage by X amount until X amount is marginally meaningless thanks to inflation, and their labor regulations other than minimum wage probably have more to do with denying people the opportunity to work than minimum wage itself.

    Quote Originally Posted by TexasLifter89 View Post
    the raising of minimum wage is part of what is pulling our economy down. The people who know a thing or two about economics and how the government works are at their office somewhere, and the people who have no clue, but just want more money have time to go vote for the raised minimum wage. It creates a surplus of workers, lowers the standard of living, and just is a dumb idea.... but the government doesn't want all the mcdonalds workers to know that they are actually digging themselves deeper in the hole.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by CDB View Post
    Minimum wage is the chiuaua of economics. It's something that makes a lot of noise and you oppose on technical grounds, but really doesn't add up to much. Yes, technically it leads to a surplus of labor at the margins. Bottom line though is that tendency has likely been overshadowed by inflation and regulation. Or, put otherwise, congress is not likely to raise the minimum wage by X amount until X amount is marginally meaningless thanks to inflation, and their labor regulations other than minimum wage probably have more to do with denying people the opportunity to work than minimum wage itself.
    Your idea works in theory, but you have to also understand the illegal population that is willing to work under the now inflated minimum wage standard. Thus a farther disconnect with the economic institutions become evident.

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  28. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Your idea works in theory, but you have to also understand the illegal population that is willing to work under the now inflated minimum wage standard. Thus a farther disconnect with the economic institutions become evident.

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    Boom, off topic but close to topic, a good percentage of that minimum wage pay is being sent out of the country. Back to their families. Does that strengthen or weaken us economically?

  29. Here is something to think about and off topic when it comes to religion and gov't. But is relevant to Obama being out of control. Friday, the House passed the Cap and Tax bill, after adding 300 pages of amendments at 3am on friday morning, then calling for a vote 9 hours later. No one that voted could have possibly read the entire 1000 pages, let alone the 300 pages added at 3 am. When Nancy Pelosi was asked if she would post the "Obama Care" plan on the gov't website for everyone to see for 5 days, like Obama himself promised would be done on any legislation, before calling for a vote, she simply said "NO." Obama is trying to ram so much through before enough people open their eyes and wake up to what is going on and try to change course. He knows his days are numbered when it comes to having a free pass and his popularity ratings stay high. And by staging a "town hall" at the White House with handpicked supporters and selectively reading questions that were submitted "by the people" that only support your agenda, is hardly verification that everyone in America wants "change".

    Cap and Tax: Tim Kaine, head of DNC, Governor of VA was asked if a Cap and Tax policy would be ideal for the commonwealth of Va. He said of course, no way. It would be a job killer, and force companies to move jobs to countries that don't have such nonsense taxes. Why is it not good for "his" state, while he is in charge, but it is a good idea for the Feds to impose it on the entire country? The very same reason it's bad for VA is the reason it's bad for the entire country. But Kaine, and Mark Warner and Jim Webb are puppets to Obama's machine and are willing to sacrifice the entire country to further his agenda, but wouldn't consider doing it at the state level if VA was the only state affected.

  30. So I'm curious... what are yalls thoughts on the Usury laws he just passed, even though those are among the worst things to do IMO.
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