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    I didn't mean the left behind series was word for word accurate, I just meant the story depicts the main points that are layed out. Character stories and specifics are fictional, but the premise reflects what's written. I haven't read the books, just seen the movies.

    If the believers are taken in rapture, and the unbelievers have to endure the tribulation, then yes, both theories are correct.

    Your personal decision is the most important. It's not about joining a church or religion, it's about what God can do in your life and how you can be a blessing to others. Jesus is the one that can change people's hearts, break addictions, and radically change your life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by youngandfree View Post
    I didn't mean the left behind series was word for word accurate, I just meant the story depicts the main points that are layed out. Character stories and specifics are fictional, but the premise reflects what's written. I haven't read the books, just seen the movies.

    If the believers are taken in rapture, and the unbelievers have to endure the tribulation, then yes, both theories are correct.

    Your personal decision is the most important. It's not about joining a church or religion, it's about what God can do in your life and how you can be a blessing to others. Jesus is the one that can change people's hearts, break addictions, and radically change your life.
    But even the premises could not be one hundred percent true. It is also possible that there will not be any signs of when Christ comes for his people; it will be in the blink of an eye when it is least expected; and its also possible that revelation was mainly written for the early Christains that were being prosecuted and killed, and is not talking about the end of the world. There are so many theories with so many different premises. All im trying to say is that even the premises of which the Left Behind series layed out could be completely wrong... But it doesnt matter who is right or wrong about the end times. All that matters is if we have accepted Jesus.
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    If the country was so moral back in the "good ole days". I guess the lynching and deaths of tens of thousands of blacks in america would be considered a faux pas or internment camps set up to house thousands of japanese americans during world war 2. Or women being considered second class citizens until the dawn of the twentieth century. History should not be looked at thru rose colored glasses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rippedforce63 View Post
    If the country was so moral back in the "good ole days". I guess the lynching and deaths of tens of thousands of blacks in america would be considered a faux pas or internment camps set up to house thousands of japanese americans during world war 2. Or women being considered second class citizens until the dawn of the twentieth century. History should not be looked at thru rose colored glasses.
    No but the lynching of thieves/rapists/murderers still sounds damn nice. As for the japanese during WWII, sorry, War is War, and the japanese were a horrid and notorious enemy. No precautions are too harsh, the sacrifice of the few, for the greater good of the many IMO. Though the camps could have been ran much better IMO as well.

    As for women being second class. I personally do not believe women should be allowed to be soldiers/cops. Other than that, everything else I hope they get into and succeed. Doctors, business owners, etc, etc... I watch too many shows with female officers getting easily overpowered even with their mace and tazers. Its not a job they are built for.

    Same thing with soldiers. I honor them equally now that they are in, but I am also happy they are not allowed to be infantry or SF atm. At least last time I checked. Not because I believe they CANT, but its just programmed in guys to "Protect the Women" its the way we are, how we are supposed to care. This creates all kind of screw ups in war, such as cases in Iraq and such. If a women is in trouble, orders and such become second priority because nature kicks in.

    Not that they arent crack shots(some of the best shots in the world are from great female shooters on the ranges), or some of them are not amazing at combat(though most are not) the ratios are alot different. a 180 lb man vs a 200 lb enemy is hard enough, but a 140 lb girl vs a 200 lb enemy is...well...over before it begins in close combat. Most military girls are NOT built limber enough to count martial arts as a benefit. I know, been there, seen em. Its just lucky we areny in a war that is massive enough to cause casualties into the 100,000's like WWII. Sorry this is likely just the part of me that says we are supposed to protect them, at all costs. This is not their job to die. ITs a mans duty. SO if a man dies, its not no where near as sad. We have burried fathers and sons since the dawn of man in war. But not mothers daughters. Its just not right to have to do that.

    History should be learned from. Honestly today though, every equal rights leader is Crapping in their graves. Martin Luther King would have a heart attack if he was not dead, and womens rights leaders would see that the freedoms they instilled also brought about strip clubs and the such and the modern slut and would likely set about beating the crap out of those women themselves.

    Human nature is this: Once we get a foot, we want a mile. And once we taste freedom, we want more than just that.

    I wish women could have had their rights without becoming what they have, men could have given more to others without becoming needy on substance/fun, and race could truly be erased and we all be one=mankind.

    Cant happen, and its too late to do anything about it. The world is built in a suicide frenzy guaranteed to finish us off eventually. We can no longer fix criminals, race cant be erased because everyone thinks they are owed something by someone else be them white/black/tan/whatever. Death is so overly feared is BS.

    Honestly, you want to fix some of the problems, kill off 60% of the earths population. No more energy crisis, or starvation, wipe out the ones with diseases and STD's or who would be rabble rousers. And the world would improve a thousand fold. Do away with excess technology. Things would run smoother. But that really is not an option. I dont want 4 billion deaths on my hand, so I guess we will just let destiny unfold.

    People complain of death of the past, when it is death of the future they should focus on.

    See death is always viewed as "The Problem" when all the time it has been the answer. Because the only way you get out of this hell hole, is to die.

    I am in no way racist/sexist or anything if any of that accidentally came off that way. I support universal equality, but certain things, even Biblicaly speaking, should be accepted. Really all that applies to modesty and the soldier/cop thing.

    ITs all I want I want I want. Such as what atheists and other religions have done to America. Raped it and left it a soulless empty nation.

    Politics can take a .45 and blow its brains out. Freedom of religion yes, but I believe in a national religion. If you dont like the pledge of allegiance, then cover your ears instead of your heart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Persian1012 View Post
    You are entitled to your own opinion... When did i ever say that there were not gays around in the old days? Of coarse there were, but just because they were always around doesn't mean its morally right to be gay. I believe in the bible as being the true word of god, you probably don't and you can make your own choices. But this country was founded on Christian principles. Its only logical to assume that the reason you say that this country is the greatest country on earth to live in is because of the quality of life this country offers you... That being said, did you know that the Declaration of Independence, and our bill of rights all gain their moral principles from the bible? Like it or not, the fore fathers that laid down the base foundation for this nation were Christian. The American way of life that you and I love so much is undoubtedly derived from Christianity; or atleast it was. I can guarantee now that Obama is changing the American way of life, you will start to change your mind about America being the best country in the world to live in.
    \\the idea that the founding fathers put forth christian principles is laughable. They were deists, which in case you were unaware is a huge difference. In fact, guys like Franklin and Jefferson (I use them due to their role with the Declaration) did all they could to keep religion out of the foundation of the country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roids1 View Post
    There's some sad truth in that rant. We'd better start learning how to speak mandarin for when the Chinese call our debt.
    When have we ever paid debt back? Do you think we're going to start now? Obama is a screw up, but I don't think this speech is coming down the pipe any time soon:

    "My fellow Americans,

    "I'm here to speak to you today and let you know, all that stuff I promised, well it's got to go. No free health care, no jobs, nada. What's more, we're going to raise taxes on everyone, especially working class people. We're also cutting entitlements, especially social security, medicare, medicaid. I know all this comes as a shock to you, but we must do it, we must tighten our belts.

    "Because you see, the Chinese need their money, and we Americans are good for our debts people. We borrowed a ****load of money and used it to fund the biggest spending bender this side of reality, and now it's time to pay the piper, who in this case speaks Mandarin..."

    Bull****. We'll call the Chinese predatory lenders, demand they 'modify' our debt our we'll find some way to repudiate it, and there will be likely some severe military tensions if not out and out war which will probably revolve around Korea. And everyone in the US, being dumb ****s and thinking war is a way to prosperity, will be all for it.

    The only ray of hope right now are two bills sitting in the house and senate, that prompt an audit of The Fed. If people see the real thief behind the curtain they may go another way, but I doubt it. Even if it passes the rhetoric surrounding The Fed's actions will be keynesian and/or monetarist in nature, few if anyone will likely demand they stop the printing presses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lozgod View Post
    God forbid you don't agree with the new norm like men should be able to marry each other and are entitled to each others blue cross blue shield. You are a bigot if you don't share the belief that is acceptable. Get the **** out of here you ****ing freaks. We need the draft back bad. Send some of these freaks over to the middle east as gun fodder.
    Bigot? Perhaps. However there is this little thing called equality before the law, a standard Americans generally try to uphold however imperfectly, and it has yet to be argued convincingly that allowing gay men or women to contract with each other for purposes of inherritence and hospital visits and what not, to basically get the same special rights straight couples get, poses any threat to anyone or anything.

    Is there a loss of standards in the world? Perhaps. Problem is, every generation has said that about the upcoming generation since the begining of time. The world has been going to hell because of the kids for the last few millenia it seems. To me this argument is nothing more than defering blame to the essentially powerless. It is the working public of voting age that controls everything, sets standards, etc. The kids' failures are really their failures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Persian1012 View Post
    You are entitled to your own opinion... When did i ever say that there were not gays around in the old days? Of coarse there were, but just because they were always around doesn't mean its morally right to be gay. I believe in the bible as being the true word of god, you probably don't and you can make your own choices. But this country was founded on Christian principles.
    Two of which are personal resonsibility and self determination. Two things easily lost when people confuse what may or may not be moral with what should and should not be legal. This country was also founded with the knowledge of what happens when you mix church and state, and that is a corruption of both. The state is put to purposes it is not properly suited to, the church is corrupted with power and mass opinion, and its message diluted.

    If you want your religion to be as strong as possible you need to stop complaining about the actions of others, stop implying and/or demanding the state force them to conform, and set your own example and standard of success by abiding by the principles you hold hear. Grant to the state the power to force conformity, you run the risk of people getting into power who disagree with you, and they will then begin to decimate the beliefs and standards you hold dear by forcing nonconformity with them and taking from you the power to set and keep your own standards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Persian1012 View Post
    The last 30 years?.. Before the last 30 years this country was based on good morals. Granted there were still people doing bad immoral things, but the majority of the people upheld morality as a very important issue, the issue of morality is what founded this country. All the early presidents of this nation and up to about 30 years ago were elected mainly due to their sense of good morals. Before 30 years ago moral issues never had to be pushed on the American people because the majority were already living good moral based lives.
    Do you actually have some proof of this, or is this just some "oh but for the lost golden age" bull****? People were more moral back then? Same people who gave us the income tax? The Alien and Sedition Act? The Fed? The welfare warfare state? Same people who made Indians kinda hard to find? Who used blacks for medical experiments or as tree ornaments, or fire hose aiming practice? The same people who treated women as chattle, who forbade them to own property and vote, and who said beating them was okay so long as the stick you used wasn't too thick, those people? Oh but for the golden age where people really weren't more moral or ethical than now, it was just easier to get away with bashing and killing those with whom you disagreed and as such they tended to hide and/or make themselves scarce. Oh but for the golden age where in the country based on 'freedom' significant portions of the population had to hide, lie, and fear physical abuse, imprisonment, and death to varying degrees based on their skin color, genetalia, and what they did with the latter. Oh but for the days when the niggers and the reds and the browns and the chinks knew their places and shut up or got the fire hose or the noose, when the ***s had to live in fear and when the women kept their cow asses in the kitchen and died regularly in child birth. What a time! ****, if we could only turn back the clock we might have the wonderous morality of seeing Barak Obama, **** up that he is, hanging from a tree in the rose garden. That would sure solve a lot of our problems, and then we could use fire hoses to wipe away his cabinet appointments. Oh for the days of greater morality that never really existed except on the back of the mistreatment of so many.

    Your more moral world comes with too many niggers in nooses, ***s lying dead in trenches, and women in graves, all of them robbed of their potential by your ****ed up piece of **** utopia. I'll take today's less moral world over that any day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    \\the idea that the founding fathers put forth christian principles is laughable. They were deists, which in case you were unaware is a huge difference. In fact, guys like Franklin and Jefferson (I use them due to their role with the Declaration) did all they could to keep religion out of the foundation of the country.
    This is correct. Religion was considered tyranny by the founders of this country. That was one of the main reasons for breaking away from England. They believed no one should be persecuted for their beliefs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lozgod View Post
    This is correct. Religion was considered tyranny by the founders of this country. That was one of the main reasons for breaking away from England. They believed no one should be persecuted for their beliefs.
    This is at base incorrect. The problem they saw was the mix of government and religion. They wanted religion free of government and government free of religion because of the corrupting power each had on the other. Saying they were deists is technically correct while ignoring the change in context of that word in time. Deism back then was a hell of a lot more religious than it would be considered now. What we now consider religious persecution they likely would have seen as maintaining basic community standards.

    And they wanted it kept free from the federal government. Several state churches were already established at the time of ratification and no one saw that as incompatible with the constitution. Then as now, immgration patterns held and like minded people tended to stick together, states were very homogenous when it came to their religion. As such... "I consider the government of the United States as interdicted by the Constitution from intermeddling with religious institutions, their doctrines, discipline, or exercises. This results not only from the provision that no law shall be made respecting the establishment or free exercise of religion, but from that also which reserves to the states the powers not delegated to the United States. Certainly, no power to prescribe any religious exercise or to assume authority in religious discipline has been delegated to the General Government. It must then rest with the states, as far as it can be in any human authority." --Thomas Jefferson
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    Quote Originally Posted by CDB View Post
    This is at base incorrect. The problem they saw was the mix of government and religion. They wanted religion free of government and government free of religion because of the corrupting power each had on the other. Saying they were deists is technically correct while ignoring the change in context of that word in time. Deism back then was a hell of a lot more religious than it would be considered now. What we now consider religious persecution they likely would have seen as maintaining basic community standards.

    And they wanted it kept free from the federal government. Several state churches were already established at the time of ratification and no one saw that as incompatible with the constitution. Then as now, immgration patterns held and like minded people tended to stick together, states were very homogenous when it came to their religion. As such... "I consider the government of the United States as interdicted by the Constitution from intermeddling with religious institutions, their doctrines, discipline, or exercises. This results not only from the provision that no law shall be made respecting the establishment or free exercise of religion, but from that also which reserves to the states the powers not delegated to the United States. Certainly, no power to prescribe any religious exercise or to assume authority in religious discipline has been delegated to the General Government. It must then rest with the states, as far as it can be in any human authority." --Thomas Jefferson
    I just didnt feel like saying all that. lol. I gave the abridged version. Like saying the Civil War was over slavery. Thanks for elaborating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lozgod View Post
    I just didnt feel like saying all that. lol. I gave the abridged version. Like saying the Civil War was over slavery. Thanks for elaborating.
    That's at base incorrect...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CDB View Post
    The only ray of hope right now are two bills sitting in the house and senate, that prompt an audit of The Fed. If people see the real thief behind the curtain they may go another way, but I doubt it. Even if it passes the rhetoric surrounding The Fed's actions will be keynesian and/or monetarist in nature, few if anyone will likely demand they stop the printing presses.
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    the raising of minimum wage is part of what is pulling our economy down. The people who know a thing or two about economics and how the government works are at their office somewhere, and the people who have no clue, but just want more money have time to go vote for the raised minimum wage. It creates a surplus of workers, lowers the standard of living, and just is a dumb idea.... but the government doesn't want all the mcdonalds workers to know that they are actually digging themselves deeper in the hole.

    If this country does go down the path of socialism, which it appears to be slowly doing, it will get ugly. Universal health care is just not an option, and if tax's are lowered that means somewhere else something is going up that you pay for. It is all strategy the government plays.

    I am neither conservative or liberal, as their are certain things I like/dislike about either party, but damn... as our population is getting poorer and poorer, and the uneducated group is growing it is just going to continue to get worse unless someone explains to them exactly what is happening to them.
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    Minimum wage is the chiuaua of economics. It's something that makes a lot of noise and you oppose on technical grounds, but really doesn't add up to much. Yes, technically it leads to a surplus of labor at the margins. Bottom line though is that tendency has likely been overshadowed by inflation and regulation. Or, put otherwise, congress is not likely to raise the minimum wage by X amount until X amount is marginally meaningless thanks to inflation, and their labor regulations other than minimum wage probably have more to do with denying people the opportunity to work than minimum wage itself.

    Quote Originally Posted by TexasLifter89 View Post
    the raising of minimum wage is part of what is pulling our economy down. The people who know a thing or two about economics and how the government works are at their office somewhere, and the people who have no clue, but just want more money have time to go vote for the raised minimum wage. It creates a surplus of workers, lowers the standard of living, and just is a dumb idea.... but the government doesn't want all the mcdonalds workers to know that they are actually digging themselves deeper in the hole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CDB View Post
    Minimum wage is the chiuaua of economics. It's something that makes a lot of noise and you oppose on technical grounds, but really doesn't add up to much. Yes, technically it leads to a surplus of labor at the margins. Bottom line though is that tendency has likely been overshadowed by inflation and regulation. Or, put otherwise, congress is not likely to raise the minimum wage by X amount until X amount is marginally meaningless thanks to inflation, and their labor regulations other than minimum wage probably have more to do with denying people the opportunity to work than minimum wage itself.
    Your idea works in theory, but you have to also understand the illegal population that is willing to work under the now inflated minimum wage standard. Thus a farther disconnect with the economic institutions become evident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Your idea works in theory, but you have to also understand the illegal population that is willing to work under the now inflated minimum wage standard. Thus a farther disconnect with the economic institutions become evident.

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    Boom, off topic but close to topic, a good percentage of that minimum wage pay is being sent out of the country. Back to their families. Does that strengthen or weaken us economically?
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    Here is something to think about and off topic when it comes to religion and gov't. But is relevant to Obama being out of control. Friday, the House passed the Cap and Tax bill, after adding 300 pages of amendments at 3am on friday morning, then calling for a vote 9 hours later. No one that voted could have possibly read the entire 1000 pages, let alone the 300 pages added at 3 am. When Nancy Pelosi was asked if she would post the "Obama Care" plan on the gov't website for everyone to see for 5 days, like Obama himself promised would be done on any legislation, before calling for a vote, she simply said "NO." Obama is trying to ram so much through before enough people open their eyes and wake up to what is going on and try to change course. He knows his days are numbered when it comes to having a free pass and his popularity ratings stay high. And by staging a "town hall" at the White House with handpicked supporters and selectively reading questions that were submitted "by the people" that only support your agenda, is hardly verification that everyone in America wants "change".

    Cap and Tax: Tim Kaine, head of DNC, Governor of VA was asked if a Cap and Tax policy would be ideal for the commonwealth of Va. He said of course, no way. It would be a job killer, and force companies to move jobs to countries that don't have such nonsense taxes. Why is it not good for "his" state, while he is in charge, but it is a good idea for the Feds to impose it on the entire country? The very same reason it's bad for VA is the reason it's bad for the entire country. But Kaine, and Mark Warner and Jim Webb are puppets to Obama's machine and are willing to sacrifice the entire country to further his agenda, but wouldn't consider doing it at the state level if VA was the only state affected.
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    So I'm curious... what are yalls thoughts on the Usury laws he just passed, even though those are among the worst things to do IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lozgod View Post
    Boom, off topic but close to topic, a good percentage of that minimum wage pay is being sent out of the country. Back to their families. Does that strengthen or weaken us economically?
    Money Out vs. Money In creates a ravine of empty debt that ironically cannot be paid by the debtee's without creating more money. In effect devaluing our dollar, requiring more borrowing, insighting more debt. This has been the grand scheme of the Federal Reserve since the Great Depression, now we get GD2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Money Out vs. Money In creates a ravine of empty debt that ironically cannot be paid by the debtee's without creating more money. In effect devaluing our dollar, requiring more borrowing, insighting more debt. This has been the grand scheme of the Federal Reserve since the Great Depression, now we get GD2.

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    yup, but we can't let the majority know we are at the equivalent of the Great Depression in modern times, panic will arise. 911 plans failed to meet the results they were hoping to attain in the short coming, but they sure have taken a toll in the long run exactly what those guys were looking to do. We have almost no friends in OPEC, so gas will continue to control us like a stick puppet. I am getting off topic, but man... we are at the whim of a few different countries ATM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Your idea works in theory, but you have to also understand the illegal population that is willing to work under the now inflated minimum wage standard. Thus a farther disconnect with the economic institutions become evident.

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    Problem is their willingness to work isn't a strictly free market result. The price of the labor, that they're willing to accept, is influenced by a lot of things such as the relatively higher poverty rates at home and our relatively stronger currency, not to mention the fact that the employers get a more powerful hand in the relationship than if it were done above board.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasLifter89 View Post
    the raising of minimum wage is part of what is pulling our economy down.
    no, it was giving women the right to work. That effectively nearly doubled our labor supply, but didn't generate additional labor demand, effectively cutting pay in half.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasLifter89 View Post
    So I'm curious... what are yalls thoughts on the Usury laws he just passed, even though those are among the worst things to do IMO.
    I'm against usury laws in principle, but at this point in time as a practical matter I don't give a **** if bankers/creditors eat a big **** sandwich. They've been relying on government enablement and overly complex legalese ridden contracts to shaft consumers for years, **** 'em if they can't take a joke.
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    Cut out the federal government....reduce it to what it was meant to be, a very small sized orginization to make sure things in the country went smoothly, and things would start to boom again. Also reverse most laws in the past 25 years LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero V View Post
    Cut out the federal government....reduce it to what it was meant to be, a very small sized orginization to make sure things in the country went smoothly, and things would start to boom again. Also reverse most laws in the past 25 years LOL
    Really all you have to do is reiterate the 10th amendment. Take away the illusion of democracy and really instate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Really all you have to do is reiterate the 10th amendment. Take away the illusion of democracy and really instate it.

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    The prototypical member of our population today is someone of age 20-40, wearing a shirt with fabrics sourced from three continents and assembled in another, drinking a half creme triple pump vanilla flavored latte with milk from the farm belt, coffee from Columbia, in a cup made from plastic that came from China, and chemicals manufactured there as well, wearing glasses with lenses that are laser cut and made of some super polymer that both reduces glare an weight, sitting in front of a computer where the power supply was made in Asia, the case in Europe, the chips designed here in the US and manufactured God knows where in a multi billion dollar clean room facility, all of this dependent on accumulated capital going back centuries and spanning the planet, and this twit pops on to his favorite message board and while in the midst of this market provided plenty, villifies WalMart and writes about Obama and his government with religious zeal and approval, and expounds from the depths of his tenth grade government sponsored education on the subject on what the market is and is not capable of.

    Do you really see any end to this **** in sight? I don't. These people haven't read the constitution, much less the declaration, and surely have never bothered to peruse a classic like I, Pencil, to get a fuller understanding of how the world actually works. They take what they have for granted, never considering the delicate web of trade and capital accumulation that fuels their lifestyles, which is why they happily destroy it for ideological reasons and then shoot blame with the accuracy of a potato gun when their quality of life deteriorates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CDB View Post
    They take what they have for granted, never considering the delicate web of trade and capital accumulation that fuels their lifestyles, which is why they happily destroy it for ideological reasons and then shoot blame with the accuracy of a potato gun when their quality of life deteriorates.
    It is sad that we let the "progressives" take and keep control of our school system. Bill Ayers as a teacher? what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    no, it was giving women the right to work. That effectively nearly doubled our labor supply, but didn't generate additional labor demand, effectively cutting pay in half.
    the continuing increase of minimum wage is not giving women more of a right to work, possibly the first decision to establish a minimum wage, but see the silly thing about minimum wage is that it is different for each established state, or area. A federal one does not really help the economy at this point in time from a standard of living standpoint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasLifter89 View Post
    the continuing increase of minimum wage is not giving women more of a right to work, possibly the first decision to establish a minimum wage, but see the silly thing about minimum wage is that it is different for each established state, or area. A federal one does not really help the economy at this point in time from a standard of living standpoint.
    no silly, i'm saying that giving women the right to work is what is pulling our economy down, not the minimum wage
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    no silly, i'm saying that giving women the right to work is what is pulling our economy down, not the minimum wage
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    Quote Originally Posted by Persian1012 View Post
    No i did not. That is messed up. Only further proves my point that Obama is morally corrupt.
    Illinois General Assembly Senate bill 0099, An Act Concerning Education. Read the bill for yourself. I'll get you the PDF of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge suggested curriculum later tonight or tomorrow. It's chock full of brilliant ideas. Teaching bisexuality and homosexuality as societal norms, explicit descriptions of sex acts, as well as in depth discussions of ones own "sexual feelings" all starting in kindergarden as part of the k-12 program. Obama's stated rational is that it woould help children better be able to respond to sexual predators...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave12 View Post
    Illinois General Assembly Senate bill 0099, An Act Concerning Education. Read the bill for yourself. I'll get you the PDF of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge suggested curriculum later tonight or tomorrow. It's chock full of brilliant ideas. Teaching bisexuality and homosexuality as societal norms, explicit descriptions of sex acts, as well as in depth discussions of ones own "sexual feelings" all starting in kindergarden as part of the k-12 program. Obama's stated rational is that it woould help children better be able to respond to sexual predators...
    that bill in itself would make me feel pretty damn uncomfortable. Little kids are ready for that kind of stuff, I would push that off till about 6 or 7th grade when it is appropriate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasLifter89 View Post
    that bill in itself would make me feel pretty damn uncomfortable. Little kids are ready for that kind of stuff, I would push that off till about 6 or 7th grade when it is appropriate.
    Anatomical discussions may be appropriate at some point in public school (middle school or whatever) but that bill goes beyond that and I think that's inappropriate at any point in public education. I think page three has the section about dealing with "responses to unwanted pregnancies (or whatever term was used)". As far as myself and my family is concerned those don't exist and I don't want planned parenthood involved in that discussion. Also, my best friend is an 8 year old girl and I can't imagine she could appropriately grasp anything that bill is talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dave12 View Post
    Anatomical discussions may be appropriate at some point in public school (middle school or whatever) but that bill goes beyond that and I think that's inappropriate at any point in public education. I think page three has the section about dealing with "responses to unwanted pregnancies (or whatever term was used)". As far as myself and my family is concerned those don't exist and I don't want planned parenthood involved in that discussion. Also, my best friend is an 8 year old girl and I can't imagine she could appropriately grasp anything that bill is talking about.
    your best friend is an 8 year old girl? Although, I do agree. I believe it is a parents duty to have those talks with a child, not the School or government, etc. That is crossing the line. Exposing them earlier just makes them tempted at an earlier age as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasLifter89 View Post
    your best friend is an 8 year old girl? Although, I do agree. I believe it is a parents duty to have those talks with a child, not the School or government, etc. That is crossing the line. Exposing them earlier just makes them tempted at an earlier age as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasLifter89 View Post
    that bill in itself would make me feel pretty damn uncomfortable. Little kids are ready for that kind of stuff, I would push that off till about 6 or 7th grade when it is appropriate.
    Unfortunately opponents of the bill are being portrayed as moralists instead of people with a shred of common sense. Kids don't need to know what doggy style is in order to learn to treat each other civily. The problem is for liberals it's not enough to treat each other civily, you need to love and approve of everything everyone does because of some warped egalitarian bull**** view of the world. Basically because it's not enough for them to live in a world where, say for example, gays and straights live peacefully together. That someone dares think that what gays are doing is immoral, or even weird, means their work as liberals is not done. Independent thought is not valued in their world. Nor is it enough to 'live and let live.' At root their is no different between this trend in liberal thought and the loud intolerant Christians who demand the Bible is literal truth and everyone learn and live by it. It's the same ideological mind set. It's not enough to live your own life, you must make others live their lives to your rules too.
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    The most important time in history is right now,the present..Instead of focusing on Obama and what he is doing to this country and what ever puppet is next in line,and what his plans are....We need to ask ourselves,where are we are actually going. FDR was once quoted saying "Anything that has happened in history,you can bet that it was planned that way."

    Just reading everyone's thought's on this made me realize that this is exactly what Capitol Hill wants. People arguing and bickering to no end,about what?? All of this is just distracting our minds from the most important question of all. Why.

    The United States of America is no longer a country,it is a business,and everything that is happening right now is just business as usual. By the end of Obama'a term the United States will more than likely join Mexico,Canada,and Voila....We are the North American Union.
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    Quote Originally Posted by airram479 View Post

    The United States of America is no longer a country,it is a business,and everything that is happening right now is just business as usual. By the end of Obama'a term the United States will more than likely join Mexico,Canada,and Voila....We are the North American Union.
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