I'm Pre-Approved for an ObamaCard!
- 05-15-2009, 12:19 AM
- 05-16-2009, 12:46 AM
05-16-2009, 02:46 AM
05-16-2009, 05:52 AM
Whatever the case, to be fair, who is right or wrong is something that will require at least a minimal amount of time to be elapsed, when decent merit can be given to either opinion.
To fire arguments about a person' incompetency when less than six months in office and supported with virtually no evidence than teleological reasoning based on fear and extrapolation is ... um ... the antonym of 'smart'.
Do the same in two years, provide evidence in a sober way that can properly be examined on its merit, and if it supports your views, I will be one of the first in line to congratulate you and give you my money for regular consultations on how my life will evolve in the future.
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05-16-2009, 12:51 PM
Hopefully he can undo the wrongs of the previous administration. The Republican party has been doing a good job of making America look like a neo-fascist police state. I am speaking as a non-American living in America, but of course I am sure a lot of American's won't agree with this view out of shear blind patriotism...one of the largest issues seemingly unique to America.
05-16-2009, 01:20 PM
He said he was going to cut our deficit in half in his first term...So far he's nearly tripled it.
He had no business even running for office. Obama said it himself back in 2004.
You're calling the Republicans neo-fascists? I believe you're a little confused. The liberals are no longer liberals anymore. THEY'RE the fascists.
05-16-2009, 02:05 PM
05-16-2009, 02:58 PM
Hi Tex =) I knew I would get this response. Of course only American's opinions count in America - even though America influences the rest of the world more than any other super-power (however this is changing), the rest of the world's opinions mean nothing right? lol
Irish Cannon, fascists/neo-fscists have been and always were extremely right wing. There are many people who fit this description in the States.
I think the US should get rid of Cheney already.
It's too bad there is no real moderate party here in the States.
05-16-2009, 03:06 PM
Bra, listen to Irish, it's the liberals, THEYRE the fascists. Us Conservatives just want America to be safe so we HAVE to get rid of the Commies, the terrorists and whatever other threat is threatening us. You liberals must live in a world where gumdrops grow on trees, well guess what buddy, the Patriot Act is patriotic! The Patriot Act doesn't infringe upon any of your civil liberties and besides, only terrorists should be worried about it! I'm talking out of my ass! ooh-rah!
05-16-2009, 03:06 PM
Get rid of Cheney on what grounds?
It's apparent you're part of the DumbMasses. You're welcome to leave this country if you don't like it.
05-16-2009, 03:08 PM
I'm conservative, not a Republican...Secondly, this thread makes me reevaluate the term "liberal." - Liberal is supposed to mean tolerant, yet it seems that the conservatives are much more tolerant than any of the liberals out there.
Todays liberals = fascists.
05-16-2009, 03:15 PM
05-16-2009, 03:18 PM
I'm not liberal I'm moderate (where it comes to American politics). Problem is you have two majority and fairly extremist parties here. The political system is a bit flawed in the US. I am able to speak about it because I have lived in several countries. The problem in America, is if you vote for any party, the people are still screwed over. I love America, but I'm not a fan of the government.
05-16-2009, 03:26 PM
05-16-2009, 03:53 PM
05-16-2009, 04:00 PM
No it means if Liberals are left and Repubs are right, I'm right in the center. This is how I typically vote regardless of where I am living.
Like I said, it's too bad America has only 2 parties on opposite sides of the spectrum. One party in the center would do more good.
Irish Cannon, I meant you have two parties on extreme opposites of each other here. There are moderate members but the parties are both on opposing spectrums. The Republican party might have moderate members, and the dems also have moderate members, but the republican party as a whole is definitely not moderate
05-16-2009, 04:04 PM
There's really no such thing as a moderate. You can't be socially liberal and fiscally conservative. It doesn't work. Every liberal social issue carries an extremely heavy price-tag.
05-16-2009, 04:52 PM
05-17-2009, 01:58 AM
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05-17-2009, 03:39 AM
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05-17-2009, 08:05 AM
05-17-2009, 08:11 AM
All of this bailing out goes against our "free market".
However, I think our country is screwed no matter what he would have done. If he would have done nothing people would have faulted him. And of course people will fault him for the actions he did decide to take. I truly believe that America is in a decline and will not be number one in the very near future. We don't produce anything. We are a "consumer nation". Does anyone else realize how dumb that sounds? We are screwed.
05-17-2009, 09:19 AM
05-17-2009, 09:20 AM
05-17-2009, 09:55 AM
I feel that much of the anti-Obama rhetoric has been disingenuous and that at least the man deserves a chance. When I read ad hominem comments like "Obama is stupid", then that is nonsense; you don't become a professor at Harvard by being intellectually challenged.
At least he deserves to be judged on decisions and facts. That being said, I am bothered by this last reverse of policies. I don't think we need a stubborn president like Bush who whales in ignorance much of the time, and I also understand that one may have to back off now and then from extreme views to keep peace.
As a good leader I feel that one should try and avoid making promises one cannot maintain, although to be fair, Obama has retained several of them.
This last issue though, has very great symbolic value and could indicate an early turning point; future alone will say if it was or was not.
As an individual, Obama becomes at risk to be called by the same nickname as som termed John Kerry: Flipflop.
I don't think that is a good nickname to have as it would be amply used by those who like to engage in rhetoric, and it will undermine his authority. More important than just having changed his opinion, is the issue on which he has changed his opinion.
Time will likely also show what the real reason is for the change in direction; this is in itself may be worrying too. Did Obama himself as a person really change opinions ... or has he felt forced to just change policy out of fear of losing important political support and being afraid to raise to much political opposition.
If the last thing is true, it could come back and bite him in the rear raising criticism such as "selling out" to save something, perhaps himself. At this point such would be merely speculation, perhaps with insufficient indication to support the view, but it is still something I'd rather not see confirmed.
I believe that Obama errs in various aspects. After two term of Bush, I think that voters will not take feeling betrayed. While the man is intelligent and has rhetorical skills, he errs if he believes that the people will accept from him what they might have accepted from Bush. I strongly believe that the racial divide will come in the picture again.
A minority person in an authority position tends to far easier lose support from nonminority members than a nonminority member in charge. While the news articles suggested that republicans welcomed Obama's change of view, these are not going to be his voters anyhow.
For one thing they might like about him, they will have a dozen things they dislike, and by next election they will have their own candidate to support.
05-17-2009, 10:29 AM
It's more of a "do what you wish, but don't involve me" type of thing. This is probably closest to my ideology, although I have to disagree with some of it.
05-17-2009, 10:54 AM
05-17-2009, 11:24 AM
Hitler said "No jew shall feast while a german man goes hungry", now hitler was generally a nutcase, but the belief that germany should support german people above all others was an honourable belief, a belief that captured the hearts of millions of people and allowed him to gain power. It is only a matter of time before a similar extremist leader gains power again. That will be the day civil war begins.
05-17-2009, 11:28 AM
05-17-2009, 12:01 PM
In Canada our Liberal party is actually slightly right of center, making them more balanced on issues and moderate. We have the NDP (national democratic party) on the left, and the Conservative party on the right. Usually our government swings between the middle libs and the right conservatives. Speaking of other countries and economies, Germany also does a great job between balancing the social and economic factors.
Btw, I was in a nearby building when that plane flew by for the photo op in NYC/NJ, it was crazy everyone was panicking. Pretty sure someone was fired for that, but yeah I was there when it happened. We were like "why the hell is there a fighter jet following an airliner so low??" didn't make sense that the police were told to keep it quiet.
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