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  1. Suncloud I agree with you entirely, the point I was making was that if we as a country do not soon limit the illegal immigrants and begin giving harsher punishments to those who are here illegally already we risk creating a general feeling where society turns against immigrants as a whole, In my opinion this would be a huge loss, hell a lot of our doctors are immigrants, we rely on foreign foreign language teachers the list goes on...I apologize if my point came across badly in my earlier post ive been studying this whole day and im extremely tired..

  2. I'll just sum it up...

    Legal Immigrants ARE the United States!

    ...illegal immigrants effing suck and need to leave.

  3. Only to a certain degree my friend- I guess it depends on your views, if you dont mind me asking is there a "dole" in america? basically do the government give you money if you arent working?

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Irish Cannon View Post
    I'll just sum it up...

    Legal Immigrants ARE the United States!

    ...illegal immigrants effing suck and need to leave.
    I heard one of the democrats calling them "undocumented immigrants" again. Its like calling a crack dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    Hopefully he can undo the wrongs of the previous administration. The Republican party has been doing a good job of making America look like a neo-fascist police state. I am speaking as a non-American living in America, but of course I am sure a lot of American's won't agree with this view out of shear blind patriotism...one of the largest issues seemingly unique to America.
    If by unique to America you mean just like every other country in the world then yea I guess it's "blind" patriotism. Or maybe it like being the kid that's bigger stronger and faster and everyone hates them for it.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by kjkriston View Post
    If by unique to America you mean just like every other country in the world then yea I guess it's "blind" patriotism. Or maybe it like being the kid that's bigger stronger and faster and everyone hates them for it.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Alto View Post
    As in the same countries who spend half their time in the UN damning us for this or that spend the other half either begging us for money to support their economically assinine regimes and/or damning us for not giving enough when we usually end up giving more than the next ten contributing countries combined.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish Cannon View Post
    So I'm supposed to sit back and not say anything just because he's spent little time in office? That's retarded. You realize he's served about a ninth of his term?

    He said he was going to cut our deficit in half in his first term...So far he's nearly tripled it.

    He had no business even running for office. Obama said it himself back in 2004.

    You're calling the Republicans neo-fascists? I believe you're a little confused. The liberals are no longer liberals anymore. THEY'RE the fascists.

    Obama has not, and will not, do all that he said or even all that he wants. He certainly is not going to do all that you want. He's going to mess up and he's going to do things everyone disagrees with. To pretend he hasn't done anything he said is simply dishonest.

    On some of these things you can argue that he hasn't come through, but I can do the same for many of your points. The reason is simply: most of these are not simple issues and there are not going to be simple answers.

    By the way, there are many things I disagree with Obama on (guns) and things he should take a stand on (homosexual marriage). There are also things that McCain said I agree with.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    Irish Cannon, fascists/neo-fscists have been and always were extremely right wing. There are many people who fit this description in the States.

    I think the US should get rid of Cheney already.
    You absolutely failed to provide evidence for your claim that the Bush administration made this country "fascist" and failed even more in your description of fascism. Fascist =/= right wing.

    Here is a great introduction to fascism (thx wiki):
    Fascism comprises a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology[1][2][3][4] and a corporatist economic ideology.[5] Fascists advocate the creation of a single-party state.[6] Fascists believe that nations and/or races are in perpetual conflict whereby only the strong can survive by being healthy, vital, and by asserting themselves in combat against the weak.[7] Fascist governments forbid and suppress criticism and opposition to the government and the fascist movement.[8] Fascism opposes class conflict, blames capitalist liberal democracies for its creation and communists for exploiting the concept.[9] In the economic sphere, many fascist leaders have claimed to support a "Third Way" in economic policy, which they believed superior to both the rampant individualism of unrestrained capitalism and the severe control of state communism.[10][11] This was to be acheived by a form of government control over business and labor (called "the corporate state" by Mussolini)[12][13]No common and concise definition exists for fascism and historians and political scientists disagree on what should be in any concise definition.[14]

    This description is EERILY reflective of the Obama administration. The administration responds rabidly to criticism by critical media personalities (intimidation), his spending is all aimed at statist goals (that's why they had to urgently "rush" these "bailouts" which don't actually take effect until after the projected economic turnaround). The only one which doesn't fit the bill for Obama is opposition to class conflict--he encourages class conflict.

    The Bush admin sucked, but so did the previous 3 of 4 administrations [Clinton admin --> real estate bubble / stated income loans / high risk mortgages / etc = Clinton + Carter. If you deny that you're absolutely uneducated on the issue. While private corporations had disgusting people taking advantage of the situation, it ultimately came down to the Clinton + Carter + Fanny Mae (staffed by Clinton)]. And, just because his admin sucked doesn't mean we could have done better considering we only had two options in 2000 and 2004- Gore and Kerry are prime examples of self-serving idiots (although I'd take Kerry over Obama).


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