the guy is simply gona assist driving this nation into the ground....plenty to say about it is all.You seem obsessed with Obama.
At the end of the day, I do not have a crystal ball, and so, imagine you could be entirely right. Possible ?the guy is simply gona assist driving this nation into the ground....plenty to say about it is all.
So I'm supposed to sit back and not say anything just because he's spent little time in office? That's retarded. You realize he's served about a ninth of his term?At the end of the day, I do not have a crystal ball, and so, imagine you could be entirely right. Possible ?
Whatever the case, to be fair, who is right or wrong is something that will require at least a minimal amount of time to be elapsed, when decent merit can be given to either opinion.
To fire arguments about a person' incompetency when less than six months in office and supported with virtually no evidence than teleological reasoning based on fear and extrapolation is ... um ... the antonym of 'smart'.
Do the same in two years, provide evidence in a sober way that can properly be examined on its merit, and if it supports your views, I will be one of the first in line to congratulate you and give you my money for regular consultations on how my life will evolve in the future.
I have always been fascinated by clairvoyants, so count me in a as a client.
Hopefully he can undo the wrongs of the previous administration. The Republican party has been doing a good job of making America look like a neo-fascist police state. I am speaking as a non-American living in America, but of course I am sure a lot of American's won't agree with this view out of shear blind patriotism...one of the largest issues seemingly unique to America.
Annnnnd youredone.Hopefully he can undo the wrongs of the previous administration. The Republican party has been doing a good job of making America look like a neo-fascist police state. I am speaking as a non-American living in America, but of course I am sure a lot of American's won't agree with this view out of shear blind patriotism...one of the largest issues seemingly unique to America.
You also raise a few good points...Bra, listen to Irish, it's the liberals, THEYRE the fascists. Us Conservatives just want America to be safe so we HAVE to get rid of the Commies, the terrorists and whatever other threat is threatening us. You liberals must live in a world where gumdrops grow on trees, well guess what buddy, the Patriot Act is patriotic!:usa1: The Patriot Act doesn't infringe upon any of your civil liberties and besides, only terrorists should be worried about it! I'm talking out of my ass! ooh-rah!
No need to feel defensive or like I am offending your country. I like it here or else I would not have moved here. There is nothing wrong with being tolerant of criticism. And there is nothing wrong with being critical.Get rid of Cheney on what grounds?
It's apparent you're part of the DumbMasses. You're welcome to leave this country if you don't like it.
Bra, listen to Irish, it's the liberals, THEYRE the fascists. Us Conservatives just want America to be safe so we HAVE to get rid of the Commies, the terrorists and whatever other threat is threatening us. You liberals must live in a world where gumdrops grow on trees, well guess what buddy, the Patriot Act is patriotic! The Patriot Act doesn't infringe upon any of your civil liberties and besides, only terrorists should be worried about it! I'm talking out of my ass! ooh-rah!
Youre a moderate in New York. Theres a big difference. It just means your a liberal in the normal part of the country.I'm not liberal I'm moderate (where it comes to American politics). Problem is you have two majority and fairly extremist parties here. The political system is a bit flawed in the US. I am able to speak about it because I have lived in several countries. The problem in America, is if you vote for any party, the people are still screwed over. I love America, but I'm not a fan of the government.
Trust me, I'm not defending either side, but you are wrong in thinking they're both extremist. The current Republican party is anything but extreme. They're the moderate party you're looking for.I'm not liberal I'm moderate (where it comes to American politics). Problem is you have two majority and fairly extremist parties here. The political system is a bit flawed in the US. I am able to speak about it because I have lived in several countries. The problem in America, is if you vote for any party, the people are still screwed over. I love America, but I'm not a fan of the government.
Youre a moderate in New York. Theres a big difference. It just means your a liberal in the normal part of the country.
Again,provide evidence in a sober way that can properly be examined on its merit, and if it supports your views, I will be one of the first in line to congratulate you and give you my money for regular consultations on how my life will evolve in the future.So I'm supposed to sit back and not say anything just because he's spent little time in office? That's retarded. You realize he's served about a ninth of his term?
He said he was going to cut our deficit in half in his first term...So far he's nearly tripled it.
He had no business even running for office. Obama said it himself back in 2004.
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America gives more money and aid than any other country in the world but for some reason people still complain about us. If you want to talk about police states you need to start complaining about Russia, China, Cuba, and alot of South America becasue those are police states. But for whatever reason you won't and you will complain about America instead. I really don't get it.Hopefully he can undo the wrongs of the previous administration. The Republican party has been doing a good job of making America look like a neo-fascist police state. I am speaking as a non-American living in America, but of course I am sure a lot of American's won't agree with this view out of shear blind patriotism...one of the largest issues seemingly unique to America.
this is the funniest post of the day :rofl:Bra, listen to Irish, it's the liberals, THEYRE the fascists. Us Conservatives just want America to be safe so we HAVE to get rid of the Commies, the terrorists and whatever other threat is threatening us. You liberals must live in a world where gumdrops grow on trees, well guess what buddy, the Patriot Act is patriotic! The Patriot Act doesn't infringe upon any of your civil liberties and besides, only terrorists should be worried about it! I'm talking out of my ass! ooh-rah!
must disagree IC, in fact that is in essence what a libretarian is, as well as what we used to call a bull-moose republican (hell, I know they exist, as that is what I am)There's really no such thing as a moderate. You can't be socially liberal and fiscally conservative. It doesn't work. Every liberal social issue carries an extremely heavy price-tag.
A libertarian is by no means a moderate. They're closer to advocating anarchy than either of the two parties. While they would be more open to the social issues that liberals advocate, they by no means feel that they should be government funded.must disagree IC, in fact that is in essence what a libretarian is, as well as what we used to call a bull-moose republican (hell, I know they exist, as that is what I am)
LMAO, well said, I think 100% the same for england...Annnnnd youredone.
Yes in america only americans opinions should count, in england only english opinions should count, in australia only australian opinions count, im sure you get what I mean , the more developed countries in the world are being flooded by immigrants, immigrants which are taking jobs that that countries native people need. This is creating a serious problem and is leading to an increasing amount of hate towards immigrants, now we are in a recision and in england a large amount of our recession problems can be directly attributed to immigrants taking the simpler jobs such as cleaners etc, the NHS would also be in a considerably better position if it did not spend so much money treating immigrants who have never even payed english tax. Im sure you are also aware that this is a very similar situation to what happened in germany just before WW2, this recession is just a step towards civil war. Just as hitler kicked out the jews so his native german people could prosper, soon the only way we will be able to prosper as a country again is to remove a large proportion of the immigrants. Every english person I know supports hitler style policies of england for english people, judging by the responses in this thread I would think a lot of americans share the same views.Hi Tex =) I knew I would get this response. Of course only American's opinions count in America - even though America influences the rest of the world more than any other super-power (however this is changing), the rest of the world's opinions mean nothing right? lol
Which countries? over here in england our parties are at the total opposite ends of the spectrum...It seems to work in other countries. There are majority moderate parties that exist.
Mayor Bloomberg wasn't even told that was going on, and yes, Louis Caldera was forced to fall on the sword.In Canada our Liberal party is actually slightly right of center, making them more balanced on issues and moderate. We have the NDP (national democratic party) on the left, and the Conservative party on the right. Usually our government swings between the middle libs and the right conservatives. Speaking of other countries and economies, Germany also does a great job between balancing the social and economic factors.
Btw, I was in a nearby building when that plane flew by for the photo op in NYC/NJ, it was crazy everyone was panicking. Pretty sure someone was fired for that, but yeah I was there when it happened. We were like "why the hell is there a fighter jet following an airliner so low??" didn't make sense that the police were told to keep it quiet.
It's easy to understand. I didn't say America is a police state, and I am not complaining about America, just it's politics and politicians. Many people complain about their politicians. In fact, this thread is a complaint again oneAmerica gives more money and aid than any other country in the world but for some reason people still complain about us. If you want to talk about police states you need to start complaining about Russia, China, Cuba, and alot of South America becasue those are police states. But for whatever reason you won't and you will complain about America instead. I really don't get it.
You said that because of the Republican Party we look like a Neo Facist Police State. That statement was incredibly ignorant. I will say again, if you want to see a Neo Facist Police State then you should go look at other countries such as Middle Eastern Countries aka Kingdoms, Russia, Eastern Block Countries, Cuba, China. America is so free it is freaking annoying. For one if we were even close to being a facist police state your IP would have already been tracked and you would be gone for your questionable comments as would I. Damn those republicans!It's easy to understand. I didn't say America is a police state, and I am not complaining about America, just it's politics and politicians. Many people complain about their politicians. In fact, this thread is a complaint again one
Constitution Party, 2012! Get rid of Welfare, Medicare, move education to the state authority, etc. Let free market free again.
Bring back the 10th Amendment and Federalism. Fed. Gov. should be working FOR the state, not against.
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As in the Constitution Party is not a viable option, or are you saying strict adherence to the constitution is paramount to scientology? Written word is hard to decipher sometimes.I say Natural Law Party 2012. We can all levitate to Nirvanna together.
.Yes in america only americans opinions should count, in england only english opinions should count, in australia only australian opinions count, im sure you get what I mean , the more developed countries in the world are being flooded by immigrants, immigrants which are taking jobs that that countries native people need. This is creating a serious problem and is leading to an increasing amount of hate towards immigrants, now we are in a recision and in england a large amount of our recession problems can be directly attributed to immigrants taking the simpler jobs such as cleaners etc, the NHS would also be in a considerably better position if it did not spend so much money treating immigrants who have never even payed english tax. Im sure you are also aware that this is a very similar situation to what happened in germany just before WW2, this recession is just a step towards civil war. Just as hitler kicked out the jews so his native german people could prosper, soon the only way we will be able to prosper as a country again is to remove a large proportion of the immigrants. Every english person I know supports hitler style policies of england for english people, judging by the responses in this thread I would think a lot of americans share the same views
Former, not the latter. No one in the US takes a third party seriously, and the deck is so massively stacked against them by the two majors it's ridiculous. Look what happened to Ron Paul this time around, and he was just a Republican that was off the main stream and more libertarian in his views.As in the Constitution Party is not a viable option, or are you saying strict adherence to the constitution is paramount to scientology? Written word is hard to decipher sometimes.
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Agreed.. but in all honesty I think Ron Paul did shoot himself in the foot with that premise. He is not a Republican by any stretch of the imagination, and to run a campaign on the tainted party name was a kill shot for him. I will always vote in the direction I believe, and that being third party. I only hope more and more of America will wake up to the idea that these two parties do not have our best interest in mind, and only further and further killing the sovereignty that made America great.Former, not the latter. No one in the US takes a third party seriously, and the deck is so massively stacked against them by the two majors it's ridiculous. Look what happened to Ron Paul this time around, and he was just a Republican that was off the main stream and more libertarian in his views.
Actually, and sadly, it was his best shot. As a third party candidate he was guaranteed to be shut out of all the debate and would have been given even less respect by the media outlets. He is a Republican in terms of the old right a la Patterson, Taft, Goldwater, etc.Agreed.. but in all honesty I think Ron Paul did shoot himself in the foot with that premise. He is not a Republican by any stretch of the imagination, and to run a campaign on the tainted party name was a kill shot for him.
I think more and more of American will first try and 'get theirs' from the system before they even think of trying freedom for a change.I will always vote in the direction I believe, and that being third party. I only hope more and more of America will wake up to the idea that these two parties do not have our best interest in mind, and only further and further killing the sovereignty that made America great.
One of the big problems across the board right now... the hand out mentality. Waiting for it to get filled. Masquerading as a humanity movement, essentially striping the youth of any type of need to pick up and do something for themselves.Actually, and sadly, it was his best shot. As a third party candidate he was guaranteed to be shut out of all the debate and would have been given even less respect by the media outlets. He is a Republican in terms of the old right a la Patterson, Taft, Goldwater, etc.
I think more and more of American will first try and 'get theirs' from the system before they even think of trying freedom for a change.
totally true. We'd have to establish 2-6 year terms in senate + house, and then a term limit of 1 term for anything to change. No more dynasties then, no more spending half your term campaigning for your next election, you have 1 shot to make a difference. We'll never see real change otherwise.It's politics... Even if you had a Libertarian movement that worked and gained political power on the Hill it would only be a matter of time before we ended up right where we are now. People more worried about keeping their seat of power over what their constituants want.
Well that's the kicker, ain't it? Which is why I don't support democracy in the end. One, the middle and lower half of the bell curve will always out vote the upper half which means legislation will always tend towards the moronic. Two, the incentive in an elected position is to serve the people who got you there, but that isn't 'the people' as we know them but the special interests who paid for your campaign. Hence, we have a bunch of dupes voting for a smaller bunch of dupes, and trusting that when in office and given the power to make law and grant special privileges they will become not only more intelligent, but altruists and serve the common good of all mankind. I call BS. They're gonna squeeze the system for all it's worth for as long as possible, and then bow out, hopefull before they've pissed off anyone to such an extreme that they resort to bullets to remove them from office. That's our system, take it or leave it. The only way to modify it is to mobilize enough people to outweigh the special intersts who really call the shots most of the time, or to start shooting at the politicians who don't abide by the constitution.How do you get people to vote to have themselves limited to their jobs?
we need a lot of ammunitionWell that's the kicker, ain't it? Which is why I don't support democracy in the end. One, the middle and lower half of the bell curve will always out vote the upper half which means legislation will always tend towards the moronic. Two, the incentive in an elected position is to serve the people who got you there, but that isn't 'the people' as we know them but the special interests who paid for your campaign. Hence, we have a bunch of dupes voting for a smaller bunch of dupes, and trusting that when in office and given the power to make law and grant special privileges they will become not only more intelligent, but altruists and serve the common good of all mankind. I call BS. They're gonna squeeze the system for all it's worth for as long as possible, and then bow out, hopefull before they've pissed off anyone to such an extreme that they resort to bullets to remove them from office. That's our system, take it or leave it. The only way to modify it is to mobilize enough people to outweigh the special intersts who really call the shots most of the time, or to start shooting at the politicians who don't abide by the constitution.
The Constitution is a historic document written in a language that requires the assistance of Professors of Law specialized in Constititutional Law to properly understand what the meaning is.As in the Constitution Party is not a viable option, or are you saying strict adherence to the constitution is paramount to scientology? Written word is hard to decipher sometimes.
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