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    Quote Originally Posted by samva777 View Post
    Is there any correlation to the fact Americas founding fathers were almost all Free Masons and all Masons believe in God and the BIBLE ,all were protestants and the constitution and are legal system all have there foundational beliefs in Protestant Christianity.

    Fast foward 200 years in this short time we have saved Europe and other Jealous American hating countries from total annihilation I.E. WW1 and WW2 not to mention we are the ONLY SUPER POWER in the world The rest of the world can do what they want and talk trash about my country , in the end I dont care because I know the truth and yes I have been to France , England , Lived in spain when I was a child and Franco was in power and many Latin american countries like Costa Rica. Many non American people like americans and I like them but dont expect me to sit here and listen to a bunch of crap about the country I am from, if you are jealous or an american hater I have no time for you. Get a life or work on building up your country so you wont be jealous of mine , instead of crying about how bad the Americans are. Ok I am not such a bad guy ill give you a free crying towel
    All were Protestants? INCORRECT sir...you fail US History.
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    Depends on which version of the US History you're reading from...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayhawkk View Post
    Depends on which version of the US History you're reading from...
    In my version, we all stood around singing "Onward Christian Soldiers" while shooting rainbows from our bums at the British.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    All were Protestants? INCORRECT sir...you fail US History.
    I said almost all.
    You fail again pffft
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    Quote Originally Posted by samva777 View Post
    I said almost all.
    You fail again pffft
    Seriously? I quoted your freaking post where you wrote "all were protestants".

    You said almost all were FreeMasons.

    A large portion of the founding fathers were Deists, which is not so much christian at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    Seriously? I quoted your freaking post where you wrote "all were protestants".

    You said almost all were FreeMasons.

    A large portion of the founding fathers were Deists, which is not so much christian at all.
    All FreeMasons in that area of that time period were protestants. Understand now Sonny?
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    Quote Originally Posted by samva777 View Post
    All FreeMasons in that area of that time period were protestants. Understand now Sonny?
    Again, you are incorrect. You fail US History.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    Again, you are incorrect. You fail US History.
    You keep saying I am incorrect but you dont say how. Would you care to be more specific or do you just troll the boards for anyone that is a christian so you can jump on them with no supporting commentary LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by samva777 View Post
    You keep saying I am incorrect but you dont say how. Would you care to be more specific or do you just troll the boards for anyone that is a christian so you can jump on them with no supporting commentary LOL
    YEah, you caught me.
    Try using wikipedia and searching for free mamasons as well as deists, mr. scholar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    YEah, you caught me.
    Try using wikipedia and searching for free mamasons as well as deists, mr. scholar.
    Hows this for a double standard and I quote you from the last post you trolled.

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    You mean like your name on these Forums is this part of your principles DESADE = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquis_de_Sade

    Your name says it all the sexual gratification from causing pain and suffering to others , you calling me a monster is a joke.

    I see your logic skills show your viewpoint well...when you fail at alll arguments, bring back the Argumentum Ad Hominem.

    And I see your knowledge of the Marquis extends all the way to Wiki - that's some fine scholarship there, Lou.

    So now you want me to use wiki to prove your point but when I use wiki to prove my point you scoff at it?

    How about YOU use any proof you have to prove you point and post it here. If you dont have supporting proof I am sorry your word just isnt good enough.
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    I have an even better idea how about we try to get along and if we disagree we say why and quit the the tone of putting the other down. Its gaining nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samva777 View Post
    I have an even better idea how about we try to get along and if we disagree we say why and quit the the tone of putting the other down. Its gaining nothing.
    dude....you made an incorrect assertion. If you have studied the people associated with the American Revolution, you would know that many of the fathers were deist freemasons.

    You are really quite impossible to converse with....and you post irelevant garbage that you know nothing about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    dude....you made an incorrect assertion. If you have studied the people associated with the American Revolution, you would know that many of the fathers were deist freemasons.

    You are really quite impossible to converse with....and you post irelevant garbage that you know nothing about.
    Lets see Dsade you are an avowed Atheist how does Deism correlate to Atheism please give me more light on this subject or is Wikipedia ok http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism


    Deism is a religious and philosophical belief that a supreme god created the universe, and that this and other religious truth can be determined using reason and observation of the natural world alone, without the need for faith. Deists generally reject the notion of divine interventions in human affairs - such as by miracles and revelations. These views contrast with a dependence on revelations, miracles, and faith found in many Judeo-Christian,[1][2] Islamic and other theistic teachings.

    How does belief in a SUPREME GOD correlate to Atheism. Furthermore with out going in depth I can tell you Freemasons are not Deist, its only wishful thinking of antireligious zealots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samva777 View Post
    Lets see Dsade you are an avowed Atheist how does Deism correlate to Atheism please give me more light on this subject or is Wikipedia ok http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism


    Deism is a religious and philosophical belief that a supreme god created the universe, and that this and other religious truth can be determined using reason and observation of the natural world alone, without the need for faith. Deists generally reject the notion of divine interventions in human affairs - such as by miracles and revelations. These views contrast with a dependence on revelations, miracles, and faith found in many Judeo-Christian,[1][2] Islamic and other theistic teachings.

    How does belief in a SUPREME GOD correlate to Atheism. Furthermore with out going in depth I can tell you Freemasons are not Deist, its only wishful thinking of antireligious zealots.
    Now...I know you can do this...search for Founding Fathers and Deists and see what comes up. Doesn't sound much like Protestant to me, since they reject prophets, the bible, and other revelations.

    For a Christian, you are getting a lot of glee out of being a prick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samva777 View Post
    Lets see Dsade you are an avowed Atheist how does Deism correlate to Atheism please give me more light on this subject or is Wikipedia ok http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism


    Deism is a religious and philosophical belief that a supreme god created the universe, and that this and other religious truth can be determined using reason and observation of the natural world alone, without the need for faith. Deists generally reject the notion of divine interventions in human affairs - such as by miracles and revelations. These views contrast with a dependence on revelations, miracles, and faith found in many Judeo-Christian,[1][2] Islamic and other theistic teachings.

    How does belief in a SUPREME GOD correlate to Atheism. Furthermore with out going in depth I can tell you Freemasons are not Deist, its only wishful thinking of antireligious zealots.
    No, the founding fathers of the United States were by and large Deists. In fact, Thomas Jefferson removed all claims of Jesus' divinity from the bible, truncated the canonical works he felt most relevant, and removed all supernatural goings on. The book was titled, "Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth", IIRC. Jefferson did so as he saw the doctrine, religion, and church structure of his day as a path of oppression, and a means of subjugation. Really, Jefferson and the other founding fathers saw the supernatural tint of of bible as frivolous - and this is especially prevalent in that none of Jesus' miracles, neither his prophecy or resurrection are mentioned in this book. Why, though? Because the moral take-home from the bible is valid as a code of ethic sans sanctification; it is nothing more-or-less than common sense: "be nice, don't lie, don't steal". In reality, these are all things more or less imperative to the proper functioning of any group of pack animals, and are valid as nothing more than that. Aside from dominance displays, you really do not see animals in the same pack thieving food from each other and/or killing each other unnecessarily. These are things necessary to the survival of a pack. Over time, silly books and god-heads have been accredited for their creation.
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    Deism is better defined as a belief in a supreme "being" that set the universe in motion and has been hands off ever since. That "being" may or may not have any resemblance to the Judeo-Christian "God" as we know it, depending on the view holder. Rather, it simply acknowledges a higher power made the universe and said higher power does not give a rat's ass about either Jesus or Brittany Spears.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bioman View Post
    Deism is better defined as a belief in a supreme "being" that set the universe in motion and has been hands off ever since. That "being" may or may not have any resemblance to the Judeo-Christian "God" as we know it, depending on the view holder. Rather, it simply acknowledges a higher power made the universe and said higher power does not give a rat's ass about either Jesus or Brittany Spears.
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    I have to love the supposed experts who some how in there mind make all facts bend to there ideas no matter how far fetched but they have no actual first hand knowledge of what they are talking about. Is even one of you who commented saying Masons are Deist an actual Mason , I already know the answer but I am going to make a point so if you are please chime in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samva777 View Post
    I have to love the supposed experts who some how in there mind make all facts bend to there ideas no matter how far fetched but they have no actual first hand knowledge of what they are talking about. Is even one of you who commented saying Masons are Deist an actual Mason , I already know the answer but I am going to make a point so if you are please chime in.
    Not an expert on Deism, but I can certainly discern one. dsade made the comment many of the founding fathers were deist, and I gave evidence for that claim. Have you given evidence against it?
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    dsade made the statement that the Freemasons were Deist in the context that FreeMasons Believe in a supreme being this is correct but I fear that dsade tends to think of FreeMasons as believing in a God that doesnt have any relation to a Judeo Christian God and this is incorrect. I did look up the different definitions of Deist on the internet and some of definitions are correct when speaking of Masons some are incorrect and I know from the authors they are not Masons as I know dsade is not a Mason , how do I know because I am a FreeMason 32 degree so I tend to think I know more about the Guild than the Profane. Will I go into anyother details I think not but here are some numbers I dug up on the internet for you concerning FreeMasons and the Founding Fathers of America 1. Generals in the Continental Army 33 were FreeMasons.
    2. signers of the Constitution 13
    3. signers of the Declaration of independence 9
    Let me add that the movers and shakers of that time period were FreeMasons i.E. George Washington
    Benjamin Franklin
    John Hancock
    many of the early and late presidents were FreeMasons

    The Bottom line is Masons are deeply religious men and set the foundation for the country I am from, America and not one of them is an atheist and all of them believe in the principles and ethics of the bible. If you dont like the truth or the foundational principles my country was based on you can always move to some communist country or some semi communist state like california just joking for those that dont have sense of humor anyway I am finished here I leave you with the moral compass of desade who I find amusing at times but I dont take seriously. Tips hat
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