America, I want a divorce!

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  1. I love me some Boston.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by suncloud View Post
    detroit is a stinking mess, and it doesn't help that flint is right next door.

    canada somehow did this right - vancouver's population is somewhere around 45% chinese, 10% indian, 42% white, 3% other, and their education system is top notch. somehow, i forsee that we'll get into a race argument here though, so i'm out before it gets bad.
    I am not arguing race at all. Canada is its own sinking ship.....great place to live....until someone attacks them....Just sayin!
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  3. Still cant give you reps IC!

  4. Quote Originally Posted by kjkriston View Post
    Considering I am from Boston its a null point. Live here by default. Besides...do you consider Raliegh in the same categorie as Los Angeles? BTW Massachusetts has one of the best Public Education programs int he whole country.
    yes it does. why doesn't california is the question?

    do i consider raleigh in the same category as LA? yes - that's why i did the above a second time as per capita vs gross domestic, as you requested, to level the playing field.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by kjkriston View Post
    I am not arguing race at all. Canada is its own sinking ship.....great place to live....until someone attacks them....Just sayin!
    that's what the RCMP is for..... you can find adds for their navy under the phone books - its hidden under "antiques"....

    that was just mean. but funny.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by suncloud View Post
    yes it does. why doesn't california is the question?

    do i consider raleigh in the same category as LA? yes - that's why i did the above a second time as per capita vs gross domestic, as you requested, to level the playing field.
    I think california's education problem is funding thats diverted from education and spent on needless other thigns...like making smoking in public illegal....and i dont even smoke! Puls the immigration issue there is not helping anyone....Hope Obama's push will help....if hes done anything right so far its his focus on the drug and border crisis.


  7. AWESOME!
    Quote Originally Posted by suncloud View Post
    that's what the RCMP is for..... you can find adds for their navy under the phone books - its hidden under "antiques"....

    that was just mean. but funny.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by kjkriston View Post
    I am not arguing race at all. Canada is its own sinking ship.....great place to live....until someone attacks them....Just sayin!
    I want to visit some parts of Canada, but other than that, I wouldn't miss it if it was destroyed.

    It's one of those countries where you just wonder what their purpose is. It's like the guy that sits in a classroom and doesn't really have any enemies yet doesn't contribute to anything. You wouldn't miss him if he left, yet don't really care if he stays.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by suncloud View Post
    detroit is a stinking mess, and it doesn't help that flint is right next door.

    canada somehow did this right - vancouver's population is somewhere around 45% chinese, 10% indian, 42% white, 3% other, and their education system is top notch. somehow, i forsee that we'll get into a race argument here though, so i'm out before it gets bad.
    Calling detroit a stinking mess really doesnt do the situation there any justice, it's so much worse then people who dont live there can imagine. Also is flint even stil a city?lol

    Thats canada.

    You can't argue the numbers, highly populated minority cities do not excell in school....period, sorry.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by kjkriston View Post
    I think california's education problem is funding thats diverted from education and spent on needless other thigns...like making smoking in public illegal....and i dont even smoke! Puls the immigration issue there is not helping anyone....Hope Obama's push will help....if hes done anything right so far its his focus on the drug and border crisis.
    hrm. i may be boxed into a corner here. i don't understand how the immigration problem blew into the mess that its in now. i'll end up starting a fight if i word this the wrong way, so i'll just shut up now.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post
    Calling detroit a stinking mess really doesnt do the situation there any justice, it's so much worse then people who dont live there can imagine. Also is flint even stil a city?lol

    You can't argue the numbers, highly populated minority cities do not excell in school....period, sorry.
    i have a friend 10 minutes from flint. he says its been in the top 5 cities for murder since the 70's. i'm pretty sure that when the guys from flint go mobile into detroit, everything falls apart. i think the government left detroit and flint alone because they left it alone for so long, they don't know where to start in rebuilding it, shy of razing it to the ground.

  12. SO we all agree....we all have different views but we all agree! YAY! peace for all......I feel dumb now!

  13. Boy to Father: "Dad, was Detroit really a city?"

    Father to boy: "Nobody knows, son. Nobody knows..."

    - I took that from Family Guy when Chris asked Peter about "The lost city of New Orleans."

  14. Anyhoo, it was fun and I am out! Have a good night guys!

  15. yea we all kept this pretty civil......yea us!!!

    There you're not feeling dumb alone
    Serious Nutrition Solutions Representative

  16. BTW my Avi is Awesome!

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Irish Cannon View Post
    Boy to Father: "Dad, was Detroit really a city?"

    Father to boy: "Nobody knows, son. Nobody knows..."

    - I took that from Family Guy when Chris asked Peter about "The lost city of New Orleans."
    I almost pee'd my pants right there.
    Serious Nutrition Solutions Representative

  18. Quote Originally Posted by suncloud View Post
    would you rather do this by capita? we're still in the top ten, and that's without a good education program.

    1 Vermont….. 3,600.16
    2 Hawaii….. 3,477.93
    3 Wyoming….. 3,417.77
    4 Connecticut….. 3,300.49
    5 Minnesota….. 3,093.93
    6 Delaware….. 3,068.98
    7 Massachusetts….. 2,818.39
    8 Alaska….. 2,798.66
    9 New Jersey….. 2,781.33
    10 California….. 2,724.31

    i found you at the number 26th spot

    26 North Carolina….. 2,146.68

    i'm not trying to be an ass here, i find it remarkable that you're number 26, and california is number 26 in education - that's the disparity that i'm pointing out.
    GDP per capita is irrelevant in terms of comparing states, as it is primarily based on property prices, which in most states is the majority of cost of living costs. the reason GDP has to be so high in those states is that there is no other way to afford living there. Whether its direct property in most of those cases, or partially extended other cost of living costs as is the case in alaska and hawaii. Does higher value per square acre mean a better state to live in? No. Saying california supports the most also leaves out what portion of federal funds california gets. When the US government has operated at a deficit for 144 of the last 145 years, saying you were the biggest contributor (as well as the biggest beneficiary) isn't quite meaningful.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Saying california supports the most also leaves out what portion of federal funds california gets.

    91 percent of all farmers and ranchers do not collect government subsidy payments in California, according to USDA (fruits don't count for subsidies).

    California is the top agricultural producing state and as well as the largest food processing employer in the United States, shipping $50 billion worth in food products

    Fresno County leads the rest of the state and the nation in food production, and Fresno County alone shipped $770 million of preserved fruits and vegetables

    that's not federal aid, that's subsidies on a yearly basis, regardless of disaster. you're in florida easy, your farmers are in the same boat. almost none of them get aid, because almost none of them are growing corn. and floridas public education is as wrecked as californias is.

  20. Both parties are the problem. The Democrats propose quickly over spending and over taxing and the republicans of late propose increasing spending and freezing taxes. Neither party truly supports contitutional values because they are both still ultimately in the business of government. Why would either side propose to carve government down to size when it derails the gravy train?

  21. Quote Originally Posted by suncloud View Post
    91 percent of all farmers and ranchers do not collect government subsidy payments in California, according to USDA (fruits don't count for subsidies).

    California is the top agricultural producing state and as well as the largest food processing employer in the United States, shipping $50 billion worth in food products

    Fresno County leads the rest of the state and the nation in food production, and Fresno County alone shipped $770 million of preserved fruits and vegetables

    that's not federal aid, that's subsidies on a yearly basis, regardless of disaster. you're in florida easy, your farmers are in the same boat. almost none of them get aid, because almost none of them are growing corn. and floridas public education is as wrecked as californias is.
    Yeah, I didn't particularly mean crop funding, so much as other programs.

    Per capita spending among states was highest for Louisiana ($16,263). Mississippi was second ($14,516), followed by Alaska ($13,805). The states that received the lowest per capita distribution of federal funds were Nevada ($5,852), Utah ($6,162) and Minnesota ($6,175).

    California received 10.3 percent of the total distribution of federal expenditures while Texas received 6.8 percent, followed by New York at 6.2 percent.
    http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/...ts/011813.html

    So saying california covers 10% of the taxation budget (which is always less than federal spending) and recieves 10% of federal budget means that california contributes more to our deficit

  22. Quote Originally Posted by suncloud View Post
    91 percent of all farmers and ranchers do not collect government subsidy payments in California, according to USDA (fruits don't count for subsidies).

    California is the top agricultural producing state and as well as the largest food processing employer in the United States, shipping $50 billion worth in food products

    Fresno County leads the rest of the state and the nation in food production, and Fresno County alone shipped $770 million of preserved fruits and vegetables

    that's not federal aid, that's subsidies on a yearly basis, regardless of disaster. you're in florida easy, your farmers are in the same boat. almost none of them get aid, because almost none of them are growing corn. and floridas public education is as wrecked as californias is.
    They get water subsidies. They pay pennies on the dollar for what other Californians pay for water.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    So saying california covers 10% of the taxation budget (which is always less than federal spending) and recieves 10% of federal budget means that california contributes more to our deficit
    felt like quoting this to add that this means that in Obama's first year, California was responsible for $180 billion in defecit.....
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