Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
- 03-13-2009, 10:13 PM
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
Many police officers are asking the question: if prohibition didn't work for alcohol, why are we in denial about it working for other things
YouTube - Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
- 03-13-2009, 10:40 PM
Just to add
COPS SAY LEGALIZE DRUGS!
ASK US WHY
After nearly four decades of fueling the U.S. policy of a war on drugs with over a trillion tax dollars and 37 million arrests for nonviolent drug offenses, our confined population has quadrupled making building prisons the fastest growing industry in the United States. More than 2.2 million of our citizens are currently incarcerated and every year we arrest an additional 1.9 million more guaranteeing those prisons will be bursting at their seams. Every year we choose to continue this war will cost U.S. taxpayers another 69 billion dollars. Despite all the lives we have destroyed and all the money so ill spent, today illicit drugs are cheaper, more potent, and far easier to get than they were 35 years ago at the beginning of the war on drugs. Meanwhile, people continue dying in our streets while drug barons and terrorists continue to grow richer than ever before. We would suggest that this scenario must be the very definition of a failed public policy. This madness must cease!Applied Nutriceuticals Representative
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- 03-18-2009, 02:08 PM
I bet I can find more cops saying they shouldn't be legalized... Decminalized, maybe. Just providing a source of opinion doesn't make it right or factual.
03-18-2009, 03:28 PM
03-18-2009, 03:42 PM
You always hear great arguments but none have ever been put into effect or if they have they haven't worked. You also have to look at what scale they're talking. Switzerland isn't the US. In size or culture. Cartels and drug runners aren't in it for the drugs they're in it for the money which means if that source of income dries up they'll move to the next source. This logic pretty much uses the theory that everything will be okay with no law or governing body. it's all fine and good until you're a victim. then you want action.
I've seen plenty of arguments for decriminalization and many make sense, to me. I have yet to see any that make sense for legalization. those also vary according to the particular type of drug they want legalized.
03-18-2009, 03:50 PM
This is a black and white society...decriminalization is too complex a concept for most to understand.
"Well, is it legal or ain't it?"
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03-18-2009, 03:53 PM
Most police won't support this but not because it's wrong. The drug war allows them to take peoples' property even if that property wasn't bought with drug money. It also allows them to obtain funding for APCs and other urban tank type things and equip paramilitary assault forces in places with no violent crime.
03-18-2009, 03:57 PM
03-18-2009, 04:56 PM
I don't know how valid a point that is. Most of those large and expensive items are subsidized through larger gov't. Not through propert taken. Monies and proprty recovered isn't always put back through the police system. Part so it does but I doubt that's the top reason for taking property since its attourneys that do the actual taking.
I will say money isn't monitored closely enough in where it's spent and too many depts want the cool new thing over what is needed for their jurisdiction. No different than any other angency or employee out there.
03-18-2009, 05:37 PM
So what's left on the black market after drugs? Bookies? Prostitution? Guns? Extortion? Robberies? Ransom Kidnapping? What illegal/ black market business model is as profitable and easy for the street gangs of the world to get into? I don't disagree there are other illegal black market ventures that this elements will go to, but nothing on the same playing field as the drug trade.
03-18-2009, 09:41 PM
Anti-narcotics drive has fuelled drug cartels: U.N.
VIENNA, Mar. 11, 2009 (Reuters) — A U.N. anti-narcotics drive has backfired in part by making drug cartels so rich they can bribe their way through West Africa and Central America, U.N. crime agency chief Antonio Maria Costa said on Wednesday.
The 10-year "war on drugs" campaign had cut drug output and the number of users, he said. But it had a "dramatic unintended consequence" -- profit-gorged trafficking gangs destabilizing nations already plagued by poverty and joblessness.
When mafias can buy elections, candidates, political parties, in a word, power, the consequences can only be highly destabilizing," Costa, head of the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime , told a U.N. drug policy review meeting.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMAs6o9sCy4"]YouTube - Time to Legalize Drugs? Ethan Nadelmann on FOX News[/ame]
03-18-2009, 09:45 PM
You don't think legal drugs would still have black market versions as soon as any restictions/taxes are placed on them? Now you'll just have to fight illegal versions over legsl versions. It'll just be a different fight.
My point that making an illegal drug legal in today's society is a theory best not tested. While you use prohibition as a way to fight for your cause I use it as a way to fight against it. prohibition didn't work because alcohol had become too ingrained in that society that they were not willing to let it go and were willing to risk brain damage and death to get their high in large numbers. As soon as you let loose the floodgates on drugs and there's a mistake to be made, there's no turning back.
I support decriminalization.
Since there is no large scale, successful model that can argue your side and my argument can't be won by the same token it just comes down to arguing two opinions.
03-18-2009, 09:49 PM
03-18-2009, 09:52 PM
Where in anything that I have written does it say continue down the exact same path that we're on now? I agree with what the Fox clip you posted said. The answer is probably somewhere in the middle but it isn't something that can just be thrown out there. it'll have to be slowly tested and observed to make sure we don't, with good intentions, make things even worse than they are now.
03-18-2009, 09:53 PM
I just don't believe the answer is "this currently doesn't work so let's destroy it completely and go with something 180 degrees different".
03-18-2009, 11:06 PM
03-19-2009, 08:22 AM
That's the difference between your opinion and mine. I've seen first hand on a personal and professional level on how much worse it can get. I don't see an advantage of legalizing drugs to the potential users as much as lower crowded prisons with users/dealers that still could of led a decent lifestyle.
03-19-2009, 08:43 AM
The war on drugs has long been, in large part, about money. The urge to control intoxicants has been one of the greatest powers driving economies for centuries. We all know about the Dutch and British East India companies. The Mayans and Aztecs used cacao for money. Chocolate contains caffeine, theobromine and anandamide – which has a similar effect to marijuana’s THC. Today, coffee remains dominant in commerce, second only to oil.
In the nineteenth century, China was home to the Opium Wars – this time, force was used to keep drug markets open, not closed.
The key is there is demand for drugs, and so there shall be supply. If drugs are restricted, we will have human misery, but people will pay more or find other intoxicating alternatives. Most modern drug abuse has probably been with pharmaceuticals, anyway – barbiturates, benzodiazepines, etc.
03-19-2009, 10:27 AM
03-19-2009, 10:54 AM
just like what jayhawk said...cartels are in it for the money...so is the government! they all know who the drug dealers are but they insist and busting the little guy!
removing the stigmata from drugs my help prevent future users.
i do think the government should capitalize off of it from a taxpayer standpoint. american black market has got to be the larger than any american corporation and operates tax free. nationwide flat sales tax...but thats another subject!
03-19-2009, 10:58 AM
03-19-2009, 10:59 AM
03-19-2009, 11:49 AM
03-19-2009, 11:57 AM
And historically once a government allows free access to something, ever taking it away again even if it is causing huge problems is almost impossible.
I'd have no problems with the legalization of drugs if all felony crimes against persons carried a death penalty, and if there were no food stamps, section 8 housing, welfare etc that eat my income up via taxes so that the addicts can stay high all day long.
03-19-2009, 12:03 PM
03-19-2009, 12:05 PM
03-19-2009, 12:07 PM
03-19-2009, 12:12 PM
03-19-2009, 12:20 PM
But i'm all for legalization, so long as no money out of my taxes goes to drug users, or their families. Thats the bigger problem is that with "progressive" policies effectively all we do is create larger and larger population groups that are unproductive economically, and tax the smaller and smaller groups higher to pay for benefits to the unproductive. Eventually it becomes untenable, as you have to have a constantly growing population for it to work even in the shorter term. It will be interesting to see what happens to germany over the next 10-20 years as they struggle with birth rates below replacement, and how that affects GDP.
03-19-2009, 03:10 PM
if you put a .45 in the skull of every crack dealer, even if only suspected, drugs would be less of an issue. The war on drugs is the right thing to do. Its just they are doing it wrong, execute them on the spot. Or have public executions.
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