Funny Analogies on the American Economy, by Peter Schiff, Ron Paul's Economic Advisor

[RobInKuwait]

YouTube - Peter Schiff Analogies

[Mulletsoldier]

Sounds absolutely accurate to me. Though, I would say these analogies characterize the entire global-fiscal Fiat system, and not merely the United States economy. The concept of actual valuation has been gone for quite some time.

[RobInKuwait]

Sounds absolutely accurate to me. Though, I would say these analogies characterize the entire global-fiscal Fiat system, and not merely the United States economy. The concept of actual valuation has been gone for quite some time.

The US's debt is the larger and more consumer driven than every other nation. He's got me very interested in investing in gold, foreign currencies and securities. Here's what he said in 05 about the US housing market.

YouTube - Peter Schiff Predicts 2008 Crash

Laffer owes him a penny.

[Mulletsoldier]

If I was to invest in a foreign currency, it would most likely be the Euro. If this recession turns into a depression, we may see Global banks turn to the Euro based on its strength v., the American Dollar.

This is what I was saying previously: The direct injection of capital in the form of moneys (see: Bailouts) reduces the liquidity of, and devalues, current moneys - the US Dollar is traded because of its high liquidity (ability to be transacted without devaluing). If the global market senses that liquidity is a thing of the past, the EU may usurp it. This would be even more disastrous than it is now!

In investing in the Euro you obviously lose money in the immediate term, but the USD will probably lose more comparative value in the coming months.

[RobInKuwait]

If I was to invest in a foreign currency, it would most likely be the Euro. If this recession turns into a depression, we may see Global banks turn to the Euro based on its strength v., the American Dollar.

This is what I was saying previously: The direct injection of capital in the form of moneys (see: Bailouts) reduces the liquidity of, and devalues, current moneys - the US Dollar is traded because of its high liquidity (ability to be transacted without devaluing). If the global market senses that liquidity is a thing of the past, the EU may usurp it. This would be even more disastrous than it is now!

In investing in the Euro you obviously lose money in the immediate term, but the USD will probably lose more comparative value in the coming months.

The problem with the Euro is that Europe is doing the same bailouts that the US is. I'm not familiar with how the EU's Fed equivalent works....going to read up on it now.

Do you think if China abandons using the dollar they'll jump to the Euro?

[Lacradocious]

Amazing. All those "experts" laughing at him just like the Republican candidates in the primary laughed at and dismissed Ron Paul. Who's laughing now?

The sad thing is that only Ron Paul stood a chance to beat Obama and no one realized it. Both Obama and Paul had a platform of change, and they could have had very meaningful debates on what should be done and how. Instead, Americans were really left with one voice for change - and it definitely wasn't McCain.

[Sergiu]

The problem with the Euro is that Europe is doing the same bailouts that the US is. I'm not familiar with how the EU's Fed equivalent works....going to read up on it now.

Do you think if China abandons using the dollar they'll jump to the Euro?

The problem with the Euro isn't the fact that the EU economies are bailing corporations/banks out, but the fact that the whole European Union's economy is based on a strong USD. If the USD will drop in value, the EU won't be able to finance it's resources need due to a drop in exports. For instance, they wouldn't be able to cover the gas bill to Russia.

[Sergiu]

Amazing. All those "experts" laughing at him just like the Republican candidates in the primary laughed at and dismissed Ron Paul. Who's laughing now?

The sad thing is that only Ron Paul stood a chance to beat Obama and no one realized it. Both Obama and Paul had a platform of change, and they could have had very meaningful debates on what should be done and how. Instead, Americans were really left with one voice for change - and it definitely wasn't McCain.

Ron Paul would have been an amazing solution for the current situation that the US faces. I'm amused that Obama wants to raise the government's spending in a recession. How about cutting the government costs and lowering taxes so that people can invest?

The biggest problem that the US faces if Obama raises taxes is the fact that money will flow out of it. Due to the recession, bailouts and so on, the US economy doesn't represent a secure place to invest in the eyes of a lot of people and they'd just invest in other countries with different taxation systems(N. Ireland has a 12.5% flat tax rate on investments and a 0% reinvestment of dividends tax - if I'm not mistaking about the latter). This would directly show not only in job loses, but also in drops of stocks and immobile assets on which a lot of the retirement funds are based. Obama promised change, but change can be both bad and good. It's sad how many people see him as a saviour, when at least in my point of view, most of the changes he proposes are in the wrong way.

Also, smart people move to places with lower taxes(European brain drain, for example).

[Mulletsoldier]

The problem with the Euro is that Europe is doing the same bailouts that the US is. I'm not familiar with how the EU's Fed equivalent works....going to read up on it now.

Do you think if China abandons using the dollar they'll jump to the Euro?

I do!

[RobInKuwait]

I do!

Cool. Do you invest Mullet.

[somewhatgifted]

Ron Paul would have been an amazing solution for the current situation that the US faces. I'm amused that Obama wants to raise the government's spending in a recession. How about cutting the government costs and lowering taxes so that people can invest?

The biggest problem that the US faces if Obama raises taxes is the fact that money will flow out of it. Due to the recession, bailouts and so on, the US economy doesn't represent a secure place to invest in the eyes of a lot of people and they'd just invest in other countries with different taxation systems(N. Ireland has a 12.5% flat tax rate on investments and a 0% reinvestment of dividends tax - if I'm not mistaking about the latter). This would directly show not only in job loses, but also in drops of stocks and immobile assets on which a lot of the retirement funds are based. Obama promised change, but change can be both bad and good. It's sad how many people see him as a saviour, when at least in my point of view, most of the changes he proposes are in the wrong way.

Also, smart people move to places with lower taxes(European brain drain, for example).

Obama had around 2 Billion in campaign contributions and the ,if not one of, longest running campaigns ever.
Whom do you suppose was pulling the strings, buying commercial time and advertising?

Whomever had this kind of big buisness backing WILL win every single time and for that reason, along side an uneducated public, comes the dissolving of this alleged domocracy.

Very few actually knew the platforms aside from taxes, gay marrige and iraq.

YouTube - Gerald Celente Predicts '08 Panic

One of many Gerald Celente predictions, alongside peter schiff, of the few honest and/or non corrupted ignorant analysers.

[bigSMokey]

One of many Gerald Celente predictions, alongside peter schiff, of the few honest and/or non corrupted ignorant analysers.

That's exactly it. Many of these economists on television who claim to believe this continued gov't. intervention can save us are working for the various financial firms. Negative trends and talk are bad for business. Some of them are analysts/journalists who think that they can stem the tide of panic.

But Gerald Celente, Bob Chapman, Peter Schiff. They're all big names who have the balls to actually tell the public what is happening.

Celente just did an interview a few days ago. It's much longer than the video in somewhatgifted #11 post (it's 7 parts). The interview is also much more frightening. He's calling what were heading into not The Great Depression 2, but The Greater Depression. Among many other things, his Trends Institute has predicted the US becoming an undeveloped nation by 2012, massive unrest, martial law.

You may want to wait until after christmas to watch this. Or, at least until after your workout.

The meat of the predictions come in the 2nd video:


YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Gerald Celente on The Alex Jones Show"The Coming Revolt"2/7

[somewhatgifted]

During the first depression roughly 90% of people grew their own food or produced somthing that sustained them, other than cash money or "wealth". Only 10% of people lived in cities they were hit the hardest. When crap hit the fan the farmers could aleast eat and ride it out.

NOW... 90% of people live IN cities with utter depedance on the "system" to trade their credit dollars for real consumable items like food. When the dollar crashes you wont be able to buy or trade for food casue your paper isnt worth squat.

If a depression does happen then it will easily be teh most devastating due to the credit system and reliance on imports adn shipping of food.

For your own good look into producing your own food, spend atleast $50-60 extra from each grocery shop on non perishables. Stockpile food like a winter squirrel, it wont hurt, and if you need it will stop you from dying and/or your family from starving in front of you.

I would get out of the dollar and buy "real world" items like any medicines, food or items urgent to your survival.

Duing war-times it waas very common to have a "pantry" or "dry room" to store large amounts of food... just in case.

[JudoJosh]

YouTube - Peter Schiff Analogies

wow.. I must say the king of analogies there..I like alot of the stuff he is saying, I never really payed attention to ron paul before, maybe I should start

[somewhatgifted]

So according to schiff, obamas new tax cuts will be catastrophic. To much government meddling and not allowing the market to fix itself.

[RobInKuwait]

So according to schiff, obamas new tax cuts will be catastrophic. To much government meddling and not allowing the market to fix itself.

I'm pretty sure schiff never said "a tax cut would be catastrophic". He has criticized Obama's plan for tax increases on the wealthy and on capital gains taxes.

[somewhatgifted]

I'm pretty sure schiff never said "a tax cut would be catastrophic". He has criticized Obama's plan for tax increases on the wealthy and on capital gains taxes.

Throughout the holiday season various news stations have been interviewing shoppers. People typically say "im just buying the basics" or "im just buying food and gas". With the president and president elect frequently on the air rallying support for bailouts, tax cuts and stimulus packages threatening economic colapse, how does the consumer go out and spend their expendable income?
This is fear mongering at its finest, bills are passed witout public knowledge and now blaring catastrophy on the air is somehow going ot help?

Accumulating debt for all to pay because of bad buisness of few has only added to this. Overspending has caused this, debt has caused this, and now they are lowering the national income. Its just more meddling.

Why are they cutting taxes? to give joe blow some breathing room so he can go out and buy stuff. Not going to work, if youve missed a few bills or worried about eating next week, another $1000 is only going to be squirreled away and cause more harm than good as the gov now has less cash to pay its bills.

This is my juvenile opinion but seems like more of the same shiet. If a buisness fails its cause it wasnt viable or it was poorly managed and the US of A is a poorly managed buisness.
If your buisness is struggling you dont give your employees a bonus.
Do you think people are going to run to home depot or macy's to spend their tax savings?
The trend will continue and the only thing bush or obama has managed to do was to add to the mess.

[RobInKuwait]

Throughout the holiday season various news stations have been interviewing shoppers. People typically say "im just buying the basics" or "im just buying food and gas". With the president and president elect frequently on the air rallying support for bailouts, tax cuts and stimulus packages threatening economic colapse, how does the consumer go out and spend their expendable income?
This is fear mongering at its finest, bills are passed witout public knowledge and now blaring catastrophy on the air is somehow going ot help?

Accumulating debt for all to pay because of bad buisness of few has only added to this. Overspending has caused this, debt has caused this, and now they are lowering the national income. Its just more meddling.

Why are they cutting taxes? to give joe blow some breathing room so he can go out and buy stuff. Not going to work, if youve missed a few bills or worried about eating next week, another $1000 is only going to be squirreled away and cause more harm than good as the gov now has less cash to pay its bills.

This is my juvenile opinion but seems like more of the same shiet. If a buisness fails its cause it wasnt viable or it was poorly managed and the US of A is a poorly managed buisness.
If your buisness is struggling you dont give your employees a bonus.
Do you think people are going to run to home depot or macy's to spend their tax savings?
The trend will continue and the only thing bush or obama has managed to do was to add to the mess.

Agreed, when the average American has -2% savings there is a problem.

[somewhatgifted]

Agreed, when the average American has -2% savings there is a problem.

Well before the new can come the old must die.. completely.
More exports less imports from china. Start producing stop borrowing. Stop printing off money hyper inflating the dollar. Let failing buisnesses fail, and a new viable market will emerge in time.

Thats all i can think of, easy to say and i have always agreed with schiff saying we need to start producing "when we borrowed money and spend it on consumption thats the problem, we need to build factories".

Stimulus should be used on job creation via exploring new, more efficient techonolgy and clean renewable resources.

People cant get a loan to buy a 30,000 car or a 300,000 dollar house.. big deal atleast they can eat and work till then.

The average american invests 2% of their income, the average person in china invests 35% or their income.

[Lacradocious]

Well before the new can come the old must die.. completely.
More exports less imports from china. Start producing stop borrowing. Stop printing off money hyper inflating the dollar. Let failing buisnesses fail, and a new viable market will emerge in time.

Thats all i can think of, easy to say and i have always agreed with schiff saying we need to start producing "when we borrowed money and spend it on consumption thats the problem, we need to build factories".

Stimulus should be used on job creation via exploring new, more efficient techonolgy and clean renewable resources.

People cant get a loan to buy a 30,000 car or a 300,000 dollar house.. big deal atleast they can eat and work till then.

The average american invests 2% of their income, the average person in china invests 35% or their income.

Unfortunately, it is really hard to start exporting and stop importing from China while increasing domestic production when the market is saturated with cheap foreign products. There will never be a market for our products domestically or globally as long as the market remains in its current state.

American business aligned with Chinese labor is profitable in the short term, but this comes at the expense of the American economy in the long term. Cheap foreign labor is only profitable if there is a vigorous, healthy economy to sell its products in. By taking away production from the USA, we become more idle, and our economy suffers. Now we no longer have a vigorous economy, and dependence on foreign labor is a major contributing factor. The seemingly healthy economy of the past was a farce, it never was healthy because it was running off of credit, not real capital. Credit we can't come close to paying back any time soon.

I believe that free trade is a flawed policy in our current predicament. Instead of taxing the American people, we should be charging strong tariff's on foreign imports while cutting taxes. Cutting taxes will help us pay off our debt, and eventually have the buying power to purchase American products. The tariff's would help make up for lost revenue from cutting taxes and make American products competitive, thus increasing domestic production and re-invigorating our economy. The problem is that it isn't just the Chinese that make profit from cheap foreign labor, but American corporate snobs who are partnered with them. And these are the same snobs that influence (or have posts in) our government and love free trade.

It's all about greed. That is why we get such crappy products too. Our food is a great example. Fast food would be healthy if they used better ingredients. Even foods in the supermarket use inferior non-healthy ingredients. Foods that are organic, that don't contain hydrogenated oils, hormones, MSG derivatives, or HFCS are expensive only because it is a relatively small niche that can't compete in price with most treated foods.

But if the FDA banned this garbage in all foods sold in this country, we would all be eating healthier foods. Organic / minimally processed food wouldn't cost as much if it was the standard. Similar to this analogy, I think that prices for products would be reasonably priced and profitable for us if the economy was based on competition among American businesses and their American made products. It might cost a little bit more, especially at first, but with a re-invigorated economy our buying power would be increase and make up for it. It would be hard in the short term as we stabilized into such a system, but it would pay off in the long term, which is the opposite of what we have now.

I am dubious of globalization and think that we should strive for a relatively independent economy with little reliance on imports. We live in a big country that can produce anything it needs to be self sufficient and sell the excess.

I'm no economist, but it seems feasible to me.