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  1. Amero?


    What the **** is happening?

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    Conspiracy theories or what? I mean they make it seem like the ****ing

    end of the world.


  2. the discussion of the Amero has been going on for years. New World Order anyone
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  3. I was unaware. So what are your thoughts? Possible or highly unlikely?

  4. In theory, likely.
    In real life, unlikely.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by liquid View Post
    In theory, likely.
    In real life, unlikely.
    Agreed. One world government, even in currency, isn't an option right now. People wouldn't buy it.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by liquid View Post
    In theory, likely.
    In real life, unlikely.

    very true! I concur

    Some of the other countries have wanted this for years!

  7. NAU is already signed.
    But CDB makes a great point, they have to do it slow.
    If you heat the water too fast, the frogs will jump out.

    I think our current financial problems will continue to be "worked on" while in reality the FR turns the knife. Our economy will someday be wounded to the point it finally fails, and we will adopt the Amero and the NAU and see it as our savior....rather than tighter shackles.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by CDB View Post
    Agreed. One world government, even in currency, isn't an option right now. People wouldn't buy it.
    Yes they would if BHO told them it was the only way to solve the problems

  9. Quote Originally Posted by CDB View Post
    ... One world government, even in currency, isn't an option right now. People wouldn't buy it.
    Haha, you're either shillin' or slippin' CDB! Would you have guessed a black pres just a few years ago? Just like you think people wouldn't buy the Amero, you're behind the curve brother.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post
    Haha, you're either shillin' or slippin' CDB! Would you have guessed a black pres just a few years ago? Just like you think people wouldn't buy the Amero, you're behind the curve brother.
    No, but I would have guessed a Democrat one, that just turned out to be Hillary or BHO, and no one wanted a first mullet so they signed him up. As for the Amero, people might buy it in concept, but not what is necessary to make it happen in reality. That's the problem.

  11. I think that the Amero will only be embraced upon the complete collapse of our dollar, and the experience of Weimar Republic like inflation in this country.

    When people are earning 3million dollars a week, and still unable to buy the staples at the grocery store, people will glady accept the NAU and its new currency.

    Look at some recent Ron Paul interviews, he is on top of this (as usual). He mentions a recent meeting of central bankers, and how Bernanke would not tell congress what they discussed. He also mentioned how there is now 70% more dollars in circulation since Oct 08, and how the inflationatory realities that accompany this massive increase in cash has not been realized yet.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by CDB View Post
    No, but I would have guessed a Democrat one, that just turned out to be Hillary or BHO, and no one wanted a first mullet so they signed him up. As for the Amero, people might buy it in concept, but not what is necessary to make it happen in reality. That's the problem.
    If the Amero was a gold or silver backed currency I'd be all over it. We all know that won't happen though.

    I like the idea from the website below. Owning gold in your bank account and just using a debit card that pulls out the money through the gold exchange rate when you make a purchase.

    http://www.goldmoney.com/

  13. Quote Originally Posted by RobInKuwait View Post
    If the Amero was a gold or silver backed currency I'd be all over it. We all know that won't happen though.
    Of course not. A commodity standard severely limits the ability of the government to spend, therefore the government will never willingly adopt it.

  14. mexico + usa + canada = amero?

  15. What people want in order for such a thing to happen is a crisis. When there is a crisis people tend to accept anything. Look at all the civil liberties lost because of 9/11.

    Many can say that a North American Union, World government, or Amero is nothing but conspiracy talk. Yet when you have people like the Rockefeller's who own many of the oil companies, are founding members of the Federal Reserve. Own Bank of America and have started the Council of Foreign relations, Tri-lateral commission and the Bilderberg Group. All with stated goals of a world government controlled by central bankers. When every member of the cabinet of the president for decades has been a member of the CFR. It is hard to not listen to what they say there goals are. When you understand there influence in the U.S and world and then read what they have said... Research kissinger and the CFR.. Research Rockefeller and the CSR..

    You will be very surprised. lol There are recordings of Rockefeller thanking the New York Times and other media outlets for keeping the CFR's goals secret from the public with the intent of world government..

    Now you can call me crazy.. But i am just repeating what they.. our leaders are saying..

  16. Quote Originally Posted by jonesboy View Post
    What people want in order for such a thing to happen is a crisis. When there is a crisis people tend to accept anything. Look at all the civil liberties lost because of 9/11.

    Many can say that a North American Union, World government, or Amero is nothing but conspiracy talk. Yet when you have people like the Rockefeller's who own many of the oil companies, are founding members of the Federal Reserve. Own Bank of America and have started the Council of Foreign relations, Tri-lateral commission and the Bilderberg Group. All with stated goals of a world government controlled by central bankers. When every member of the cabinet of the president for decades has been a member of the CFR. It is hard to not listen to what they say there goals are. When you understand there influence in the U.S and world and then read what they have said... Research kissinger and the CFR.. Research Rockefeller and the CSR..

    You will be very surprised. lol There are recordings of Rockefeller thanking the New York Times and other media outlets for keeping the CFR's goals secret from the public with the intent of world government..

    Now you can call me crazy.. But i am just repeating what they.. our leaders are saying..
    Civil liberties are peanuts when you compare them to economic liberties. Our government charges people almost 50% taxes, has borrowed more money than can ever be paid back, and pays entitlements to almost 20% of the nation's population. You may be worried about warrantless wire taps and putting overseas terrorists in jail for extended periods of time without trials, but I could give a fuck compared to the economic stagnation caused by overspending and debt in the federal government.

  17. Actually i care more about the government being able to call any american a terrorist and then being able to torture them and put them in jail without cause. I am worried about the government spying on our phone calls and our internet use.

    I am also believe that we live in what can be called corporatism. The corporations control this country not the people. I believe that all these bail outs will go to the big businesses and little to the people. We have already over paid 78 billion dollars over the stock price to bail out the banks. Many have used that money to buy up other banks but not help people.

    On this bail out issue, look at it like this. They had two choices. One to help the banks like they are now. Or they could have let the home prices fall and let people refinance. One really helps the banks and just barely helps the people. My way would have helped the people to a much greater extent. The government is spending billions to artifically prop up home prices. Who does it help?

    We have massive debt and we keep spending. Long or short term that has to devalue the dollar and add massive inflation. Before all the spending it was estimated at 10%. The hidden tax. Food prices anyone? Anyone ever think to ask why they are so high? Why a coke use to cost 25 cents when i was a kid and now it is a dollar.

    And no one is doing a damn thing about it... except Ron Paul.. i will give him credit..

  18. Quote Originally Posted by jonesboy View Post
    Actually i care more about the government being able to call any american a terrorist and then being able to torture them and put them in jail without cause. I am worried about the government spying on our phone calls and our internet use.

    I am also believe that we live in what can be called corporatism. The corporations control this country not the people. I believe that all these bail outs will go to the big businesses and little to the people. We have already over paid 78 billion dollars over the stock price to bail out the banks. Many have used that money to buy up other banks but not help people.

    On this bail out issue, look at it like this. They had two choices. One to help the banks like they are now. Or they could have let the home prices fall and let people refinance. One really helps the banks and just barely helps the people. My way would have helped the people to a much greater extent. The government is spending billions to artifically prop up home prices. Who does it help?

    We have massive debt and we keep spending. Long or short term that has to devalue the dollar and add massive inflation. Before all the spending it was estimated at 10%. The hidden tax. Food prices anyone? Anyone ever think to ask why they are so high? Why a coke use to cost 25 cents when i was a kid and now it is a dollar.

    And no one is doing a damn thing about it... except Ron Paul.. i will give him credit..
    Don't flatter yourself that the government really cares what you are doing with yourself. If your name is not Ali Al Abaristan, I don't think you have too much to worried about.

    I really don't believe that corporatism line. If corporations were really running the show, would we have a minimum wage, environmental regulations, coercive unions, social security, welfare, anti-trust legislation, the second highest corporate tax rate in the world, medicare, medicaid, child labor laws, CEO salary limits, discrimination laws, and "cap and trade" taxes?

    We are in the situation we are in due to incompetent, well intentioned politicians, who feel an obligation to "help" every American through another American's taxes.

    I like Ron Paul too. He's the man.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by RobInKuwait View Post
    Don't flatter yourself that the government really cares what you are doing with yourself. If your name is not Ali Al Abaristan, I don't think you have too much to worried about.

    I really don't believe that corporatism line. If corporations were really running the show, would we have a minimum wage, environmental regulations, coercive unions, social security, welfare, anti-trust legislation, the second highest corporate tax rate in the world, medicare, medicaid, child labor laws, CEO salary limits, discrimination laws, and "cap and trade" taxes?

    We are in the situation we are in due to incompetent, well intentioned politicians, who feel an obligation to "help" every American through another American's taxes.

    I like Ron Paul too. He's the man.
    lol you have to give a little to take a lot. Much of that list is taking money from the people and redistributing it to other people. What is it? The top 10% own 80% of the wealth. I can guarantee you that the other 90% are paying more than the top 10% into all of those social programs. Don't forget that many, many companies lobby for many regulations and laws. Wonder why? It makes it harder for new companies to get into the business due to the costs.

    Example, Hotels lobbied to make all hotels regardless of size to have fire suppression systems, fire exits the whole nine yards. Large corporations can afford to do this. Smaller companies have a much harder time and many had to go out of business because of the costs...

  20. Quote Originally Posted by RobInKuwait View Post
    I really don't believe that corporatism line. If corporations were really running the show, would we have a minimum wage, environmental regulations, coercive unions, social security, welfare, anti-trust legislation, the second highest corporate tax rate in the world, medicare, medicaid, child labor laws, CEO salary limits, discrimination laws, and "cap and trade" taxes?
    Well no form of government is ever truly a pure form. We've never had a purely socialist government even counting the USSR, and we've certainly never had a purely capitalist government, or lack thereof to be more precise. I think it is fair to say that corporations hold a major controlling interest in the US government, especially banks. Why do you think they are getting a trillion of our dollars? It rarely goes the other way and in such high numbers, and that's the direct give aways today which doesn't count what they've managed to steal through the back door of inflation.

    The real breakdown is between net tax payers and net tax consumers. Corporations are almost all in the latter category, a few other special interests have forced their way in as well. The rest of us are in the net payer section.

    We are in the situation we are in due to incompetent, well intentioned politicians, who feel an obligation to "help" every American through another American's taxes.
    This I admit is a matter of judgement. You say we are here because they're incompetent, I say we are here largely because they are malicious. I mean, how many times can they enact the same failed policies to benefit no one but their fat cat friends before even they realize how full of **** they are? In BHO's speech last night the guy cited failed Keynsian policies from FDR and Japan as a reason to use the same failed policies here.

    In my view it's a big maybe as to whether or not the politicians are ignorant and just screwing us out of stupidity. I think a good number to most know they are doing so and just don't give a ****. And the people they're giving these hand outs to, they damn well know what they're involved in. As for the politicians, you do eventually have to ask, "How stupid can they really be?"

    I like Ron Paul too. He's the man.
    Unfortunately he also proved we're totally ****ed. Everyone used to think it was a money problem, and that if a pro liberty pro freedom candidate could just get the funding his message could be heard and the people would respond. Ron Paul was pretty damn well funded, and guess what? His message energized a few, but fell mostly on the dull, enstupidated ears of a public, any one of whom really couldn't tell their ass from any particular hole in the ground, who couldn't have given a **** less. He was then ground down and out by a two party political machine with help from a compliant media.

    To me all his campaign proved was that it's way past the time for working within the system and getting much closer to the time that shooting the pricks will be the only viable option.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by CDB View Post
    To me all his campaign proved was that it's way past the time for working within the system and getting much closer to the time that shooting the pricks will be the only viable option.
    You know i hear that a lot.

    Here is a great site if you want to learn how the oil, banks and media work together among other things. Here

    Another site with some good info. Here

  22. Quote Originally Posted by jonesboy View Post
    lol you have to give a little to take a lot. Much of that list is taking money from the people and redistributing it to other people. What is it? The top 10% own 80% of the wealth. I can guarantee you that the other 90% are paying more than the top 10% into all of those social programs. Don't forget that many, many companies lobby for many regulations and laws. Wonder why? It makes it harder for new companies to get into the business due to the costs.

    Example, Hotels lobbied to make all hotels regardless of size to have fire suppression systems, fire exits the whole nine yards. Large corporations can afford to do this. Smaller companies have a much harder time and many had to go out of business because of the costs...
    Tell me who's really taking advantage of the situation. The top 10% who pay more taxes at a much higher percentage than the bottom 50% of the population or the bottom 20% of the population who receives 80% of the money they make through government entitlements.

    The rich provide jobs, GDP growth, and large amounts of taxes to the United States. The poor take free money and a large percentage provide NOTHING in return to country whether through work or through any other form of public service. You can say the government is a tool for the rich, but if that's the case the rich must LOVE giving their money to the poor.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by CDB View Post
    Well no form of government is ever truly a pure form. We've never had a purely socialist government even counting the USSR, and we've certainly never had a purely capitalist government, or lack thereof to be more precise. I think it is fair to say that corporations hold a major controlling interest in the US government, especially banks. Why do you think they are getting a trillion of our dollars? It rarely goes the other way and in such high numbers, and that's the direct give aways today which doesn't count what they've managed to steal through the back door of inflation.
    I think the problem is not the corporations, but the politicians. If politicians were not whores looking to sell influence and legislation to the highest bidder, corporations would have no incentive to go to the politicians.

    Corporations are not wolves in sheeps clothing.....they were created as a means to grow and increase capital.....they will do so with or without government's help. To blame the organization whose sole purpose is to make money, for trying to wake more money is wrong.

    Blame the actual wolves in sheep's clothing.....politicians supposed role purpose is overseers and legislatures of the "public good", who are busy taking and even demanding bribes....aka campaign financing.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by RobInKuwait View Post
    Tell me who's really taking advantage of the situation. The top 10% who pay more taxes at a much higher percentage than the bottom 50% of the population or the bottom 20% of the population who receives 80% of the money they make through government entitlements.

    The rich provide jobs, GDP growth, and large amounts of taxes to the United States. The poor take free money and a large percentage provide NOTHING in return to country whether through work or through any other form of public service. You can say the government is a tool for the rich, but if that's the case the rich must LOVE giving their money to the poor.
    as a percentage of income they give much less. As an example Warren Buffet admitted that as a percentage he paid much less in taxes than his secretary does.

    You are correct about the politicians. It is the governments jobs to curb the excesses of the corporations. Unfortunately it is broke and not working that way. Look at Freddy Mae. It is very known that many Democrats after they leave office go to work for them and make millions. Which is one of the many reasons this Private Company recieved a bailout.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by jonesboy View Post
    as a percentage of income they give much less. As an example Warren Buffet admitted that as a percentage he paid much less in taxes than his secretary does.

    You are correct about the politicians. It is the governments jobs to curb the excesses of the corporations. Unfortunately it is broke and not working that way. Look at Freddy Mae. It is very known that many Democrats after they leave office go to work for them and make millions. Which is one of the many reasons this Private Company recieved a bailout.
    As a percentage Buffett does, but he also gives billions to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Do you think that should cease to be a tax writeoff? That is one of the main reasons he's paying less taxes. Also the majority of Buffett's wealth is tied up in various corporations through Berkshire Hathaway. Corporations for the most part don't pay taxes when they reinvest the capital in their business. Its one of the main reasons business capital can fund future growth in this country, allowing for millions of new American jobs yearly. You want more jobs, reduce corporate taxes even more.

    As for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are Government Sponsored Entities (GSEs) similar to the Postal Service or FDIC. Their reckless leveraging of home loans is one of the reasons for the real estate boom in the late 90s and the subsequent mortgage meltdown of the last couple of years. Politicians like to blame the banks, but their government programs were just as culpable if not more.

  26. Well then i hope you will agree that government sponsored private corporations are horrible and just bleed people. I think that is what the democrats are trying to do with the insurance companies and the national health care. Guaranteed income with government backing and if you miss up you get bailed out. What a gig.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by jonesboy View Post
    Well then i hope you will agree that government sponsored private corporations are horrible and just bleed people. I think that is what the democrats are trying to do with the insurance companies and the national health care. Guaranteed income with government backing and if you miss up you get bailed out. What a gig.
    I agree, GSEs are horrible. They're trying to make banks into GSEs with the bailout. Force them to take bailouts then tell them how to run their operations because they took bailouts. Is that capitalism?

  28. Quote Originally Posted by RobInKuwait View Post
    Tell me who's really taking advantage of the situation. The top 10% who pay more taxes at a much higher percentage than the bottom 50% of the population or the bottom 20% of the population who receives 80% of the money they make through government entitlements.
    Don't forget the bottom 95%, who have their wages and savings in a state of terminal devaluation, who can't write off their property as a capital expense and whom the government charges rent on that same property for a near worthless education, which then forces said bottom 95% to gamble with their retirement via investments to hopefully outrun inflation so they'll still be able to pay all their taxes to the government and not starve to death.

    The rich provide jobs, GDP growth, and large amounts of taxes to the United States.
    The rich do not necessarily provide jobs. The rich who invest well and use their resources productively do. The rich are just as capable of using their money to buy special favors from the government. GDP growth is largely irrelevant, it's a statistical artifact and mostly a measure of consumer and government spending which really says **** about the economy in the end. Large amounts of taxes to the US government isn't a good thing, that money would be better off in the private sector where it would be used more productively. Funding the government that accounts for 40% of all spending in the economy, not counting off budget spending, and has the highest per capita imprisonment rate in the world, a federal code that grows and spreads like some super fungus to stifle economic activity everywhere, a perpetual war department, and an acronym soup of agencies that regulates damn near every aspect of our public and private lives, isn't a good thing in my book.

    I'd be happier if the rich revolted and told the government to go **** itself.

    The poor take free money and a large percentage provide NOTHING in return to country whether through work or through any other form of public service. You can say the government is a tool for the rich, but if that's the case the rich must LOVE giving their money to the poor.
    Some do, but why indeed are they unemployed and parasitic? Have all human wants been satisfied, has the well of general '**** to do' run dry? Or have they been forced below the line of the productively employable by a ****load of government regulations that have essentially made them dependents on other people? Some I don't doubt are parasitic in nature, a lot have just been screwed by a system which is geared to provide easy money and credit to the higher ups. Some people think this will benefit the poor, they are mistaken. Some understand it's a hand out system, and just don't care. Still some others don't know what the hell is going on.

    The rich take more than their share of welfare from the government. Look at TARP and the current bail out. The only reason these are 'necessary' is because it's become increasingly difficult to accomplish such wealth transfers on the sly through inflation, so direct transfers are now necessary.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by RobInKuwait View Post
    I think the problem is not the corporations, but the politicians. If politicians were not whores looking to sell influence and legislation to the highest bidder, corporations would have no incentive to go to the politicians.
    But the same can be said for the trailer park welfare queen, but you seem to want to blame her rather than her political enablers. Correct me if I'm wrong on that.

    Corporations are not wolves in sheeps clothing.....they were created as a means to grow and increase capital.....they will do so with or without government's help. To blame the organization whose sole purpose is to make money, for trying to wake more money is wrong.
    They were created to keep the asses of the rich from swinging in the breeze should they **** up and make wrong/bad decisions. While on the surface the idea of limited liability sounds like a good thing, in reality it's like trying to have profit without loss. Government mitigated risk is basically no different than a handout in function, it leads to over reaching that would not have otherwise occurred because it lowers the opportunity cost for those involved in taking the risk. If all they have to lose is their investment despite the debt/risk taken on by the corporation, people will act differently than they otherwise would have.

    Blame the actual wolves in sheep's clothing.....politicians supposed role purpose is overseers and legislatures of the "public good", who are busy taking and even demanding bribes....aka campaign financing.
    But who is to blame? The politician, or the voting public who is stupid enough to believe him when he says he's not a crook and doing what he does for their interest? Overall I agree, but it does take two to tango.

  30. Quote Originally Posted by RobInKuwait View Post
    As for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are Government Sponsored Entities (GSEs) similar to the Postal Service or FDIC. Their reckless leveraging of home loans is one of the reasons for the real estate boom in the late 90s and the subsequent mortgage meltdown of the last couple of years. Politicians like to blame the banks, but their government programs were just as culpable if not more.
    More. Greed exists in all sectors to the point of unethical behavior. It is the government policies though that enable such people and fool others into behaving in ways that lead to mass error and clusters of bad investments like we deal with in the boom bust cycle. The key point is the clustering. It takes no economics to explain why businesses fail and money is lost. People are people, sometimes they're wrong. What needs explaining is why all of a sudden do so many people, with whatever motivations good or ill, make the same bad move and end up screwing the pooch all at once. The answer is institutional bias/incentive to do so, and only the government can provide that.
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