White Guilt Is Dead
- 11-25-2008, 05:10 PM
Insofar as end result that's true. While its true much of that was intentional, the size and scope of the smallpox epidemics were not intentional. I would most definitely not call that a unified effort. You could not say that Cortez and Custer worked together to achieve a common goal.
Nazi Germany was a deliberate intentional act of ethnic extermination on a large scale, as was Rwanda.
With a barbarous nation peace is the exceptional condition. On the border between civilization and barbarism war is generally normal because it must be under the conditions of barbarism. Whether the barbarian be the Red Indian on the frontier of the United States, the Afghan on the border of British India, or the Turkoman who confronts the Siberian Cossack, the result is the same. In the long run civilized man finds he can keep the peace only by subduing his barbarian neighbor; for the barbarian will yield only to force, save in instances so exceptional that they may be disregarded. Back of the force must come fair dealing, if the peace is to be permanent. But without force fair dealing usually amounts to nothing. In our history we have had more trouble from the Indian tribes whom we pampered and petted than from those we wronged...
That the barbarians receded or are conquered, with the attendant fact that peace follows their retrogression or conquest is due solely to the power of the mighty civilized races which have not lost the fighting instinct, and which by their expansion are gradually bringing peace to the red wastes where the barbarians of this world hold sway.
There are other quotes from many 'settlers' that allude to deliberate infection and so forth but, I have a feeling they would not sway your opinion.
- 11-25-2008, 05:36 PM
I don't think it was a systematic, deliberate hatred that spurred their demise, but the fact that they just wanted the Natives to be NIMBY.
Don't misunderstand what I am saying, on a grandiose scale, the treatment of the Natives was worse. I just take issue with the idea that they were systematically destroyed rather than haphazardly destroyed.
- 11-25-2008, 05:39 PM
11-25-2008, 05:45 PM
I think most attitudes during that Western-Settlement period from pioneers, to elected officials alike were deliberately malicious.
Inadvertent decimation of anywhere from 80-95% (80 is the most conservative number, in fact) is a very, very difficult thing to achieve. I will agree that, ostensibly, this Ethnocide was not carried out with the centrally planned and organized fashion of the German Holocaust; however, to say it was not deliberate, in my opinion, is incorrect.Don't misunderstand what I am saying, on a grandiose scale, the treatment of the Natives was worse. I just take issue with the idea that they were systematically destroyed rather than haphazardly destroyed.
11-25-2008, 05:50 PM
I agree, you can't say it wasn't deliberate. I'll buy that the ethnocide of the Native Americans was decentralized vs the Holocaust being centralized.Inadvertent decimation of anywhere from 80-95% (80 is the most conservative number, in fact) is a very, very difficult thing to achieve. I will agree that, ostensibly, this Ethnocide was not carried out with the centrally planned and organized fashion of the German Holocaust; however, to say it was not deliberate, in my opinion, is incorrect.
11-25-2008, 06:09 PM
11-25-2008, 06:15 PM
11-25-2008, 11:01 PM
11-25-2008, 11:21 PM
11-26-2008, 12:11 AM
Agreed but other than the genetic anamolies that exist in both races, the plights/blights seems quite similar although proportionally higher. The point I was trying to make was that, at the very least, they were given some things whereas others were not.
11-26-2008, 01:39 AM
Justifications for welfare, medicaid, and subprime loans was the disproportionately high number of poor African-Americans. The unintended consequences from subprime loans was the current state of the economy. From welfare came endless cycle of drug abuse, poverty, and breakdown of family structure in the inner city. From medicaid came higher medical costs for everyone who pays for insurance.
The US has been extremely proactive in attempting to deal with perceived "social injustices" in poor, inner city African-Americans, over the past 50 years. However, every time the government steps in to try to fix the problem, it makes the problem worse. At some point, government has to take a step back and let the problem fix itself, if it expects the situation to ever change.
11-26-2008, 03:34 AM
Black reservations? No. Black reparations? YES! Ha! I'm not proposing anything. You asked a question and I gave an answer.
11-27-2008, 10:35 AM
By contrast, "the only good Indian is a dead Indian" was not snark - it was policy; a policy carried out spontaneously in "incidents" between the two races for about 100 years.
Once we'd finished conquering them, our treatment of the wretched survivors was / is comparable to our treatment of blacks from "Restoration" on.
11-27-2008, 11:10 AM
"Decimation" is to reduce BY one-tenth.
"Reduction" is to reduce TO one-tenth. It was common for the Romans to 'reduce' a conquered population - that is, kill 90%, and sell the rest off as slaves, and let them spread the word of what happened to their people. While the surviving "Indigenes" (nice word) were not enslaved per se, it's arguable that the end-result was indistinguishable: every aboriginal individual by every existence stands to remind us all what happened to a whole people when we chose replacement over co-existence.
Same basic message: don't screw w/ these guys - they sum bad assets!
11-27-2008, 11:25 AM
11-27-2008, 11:41 AM
So, no, I do not think it means what you think it means.
dec⋅i⋅mate [des-uh-meyt] Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used with object), -mat⋅ed, -mat⋅ing.
1. to destroy a great number or proportion of: The population was decimated by a plague.
2. to select by lot and kill every tenth person of.
EDIT: I misread your initial post, but my point still stands.
11-27-2008, 11:43 AM
11-27-2008, 12:07 PM
11-27-2008, 12:40 PM
As well, I feel the North American Indigene are still widely marginalized within popular culture, and their entire sense of entitlement is openly trivialized. You will never see a professional sports team named "The N******", or see plastic figurines of an African-slave in chains being sold on the side of the highway. Both cultures suffered irreparable harm but, at least in my opinion, the harm is still being trivialized in respects to the North American indigenous population.
For example, the Canadian Historical Society often runs advertisements lauding Canada as a nation of two founding countries: England, and France. Somewhere within that marketing room they must have been experiencing a massive bout of cognitive dissonance in not recognizing there were inhabitants of Canada prior to the French/English!
11-27-2008, 02:54 PM
11-27-2008, 06:33 PM
Damn it, Mullet entered the damn thread and now I have to go research all his replies to figure he's basically saying, "**** off you ****, you're an idiot!" :P
12-14-2010, 05:07 PM
the semitic-correct promotion of white self-hate.
"Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white."
If you don't kill your televitz,You do realize that much of the media, television included, is owned by Jewish people?
it certainly will kill your children.
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