So Where's the "Change"?

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    "As a candidate, Senator Obama said that he wanted all the Bush executive orders reviewed and decide which ones should be kept and which ones should be repealed and which ones should be amended, and that process is going on. It's been undertaken," Podesta said.

    Podesta said Obama's team will be "looking at -- again, in virtually every agency -- to see where we can move forward, whether that's on energy transformation, on improving health care, on stem cell research."

    Podesta said there is a lot the president can do without waiting for Congress, and voters can expect to see Obama do so to try to restore "a sense that the country is working on behalf of the common good."

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/...ion/index.html
    I'm sure that the left has specified in advance of his candidacy and their financial and moral support exactly what changes they want to see.

    While American's will be focusing on GM, Ford, 401k's, housing, mortgages, gas prices - he'll swiftly change the moral fabric of our country right under your noses. He's got debt's to pay...

    "God bless America" - Figure I'd make the statement while I'm still allowed


  2. Shouldn't we wait until he's president before we throw him under the bus?

    Might as well give him a chance to prove himself
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    by your av, we can all tell that you are keeping an open mind

    I think an open mind is looking objectively at the facts and coming to a realistic conclusion (or opinion, I try not to come to any final conclusions on anything).
    Are there any other criminals you'd like me to keep an "open mind" about? Cheney perhaps?
    He's already shown us what he's about.
    He voted for the patriot act,
    For giving a billion dollars to georgia,
    For the Bailout,
    For funding and continuing our ever expanding rediculous war,
    etc


    I'd love for him to surprise me. But I'd be less surprised if I won the lottery (i've never bought a ticket)
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    Quote Originally Posted by RenegadeRows View Post
    Shouldn't we wait until he's president before we throw him under the bus?

    Might as well give him a chance to prove himself
    In my view and speaking for myself, I don't see anything I said as "throwing him under the bus". He ran his campaign on these principles and he intends to do what he said he would do. It's not like he needs our approval or a chance.
    Podesta said there is a lot the president can do without waiting for Congress, and voters can expect to see Obama do so...
    When he is commander in chief he can and will do things within his power to...review, repeal, amended, restore...without waiting for Congress.

    I believe what the pessimist (aka: realist) would interpret that to mean is - reverse.

    That will be proving himself. This was part of the package.

    OT: Interesting piece of data - some polls report Obama garnered 95% of the African American vote and 65% of the Hispanic American vote, yet 70% of African Americans and 60% of Hispanic Americans support California's Proposition 8 and Arizona's Proposition 102 - it's on his list!
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by B5150 View Post
    In my view and speaking for myself, I don't see anything I said as "throwing him under the bus". He ran his campaign on these principles and he intends to do what he said he would do. It's not like he needs our approval or a chance.
    True. Not you in particular, just a general statement

  6. Quote Originally Posted by whiskers View Post
    I'm sure he'll be wonderful.
    He's gonna be grrrrrrrrrreat!

  7. Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post
    He's gonna be grrrrrrrrrreat!
    Lazarus!!!

    Good to see the good doctor back!

  8. Often times, I find myself posing similar questions to the one you posed to yourself before posting the first video: "How can I make my opinions appear more baseless?". Of course, as our questions were analogous, we came to the same conclusion: "Post the semi-incoherent ranting of a disenfranchised, deliberately melancholy and morose University Student, praying that the more intelligent around me do not give cause for me to provide any evidence for my opinions". Obviously, as you do, I take most of my political cues and/or advice from YouTube videos which provide only conjecture. Ah, to be the intellectual elite! C'est la vie!

  9. Politics is all conjecture

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Rugger View Post
    Politics is all conjecture
    Oh? Is that why you were making objective claims earlier in the thread?

  11. Mulletsoldier, almost nothing is completely unopinionated (math equations would be one). This kid is obviously well informed and knows what he's talking about.
    The facts are there, his opinions that come from them are the debatable part.
    This is reminding me of "On Bullsh!t" by Frankfurt. (a nice trendy little philosophy book that likely sold way more copies than it would have if it didnt have such a racy title. lol)

  12. Mulletsoldier, I'm assuming you're just trying to roughly shake us out of what may be unfounded opinions. If that's true, thank you and keep it up .
    Though I dont think I'm being unreasonable. I would consider my opinions to be pretty well thought out and informed. If I'm wrong on anything (I prob am somewhere) please correct me so I dont repeat incorrect bull and make myself look stupid in the future.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by whiskers View Post
    Mulletsoldier, almost nothing is completely unopinionated (math equations would be one). This kid is obviously well informed and knows what he's talking about.
    The facts are there, his opinions that come from them are the debatable part.
    This is reminding me of "On Bullsh!t" by Frankfurt. (a nice trendy little philosophy book that likely sold way more copies than it would have if it didnt have such a racy title. lol)
    Oh, friend, Math and Logic are opinionated beasts as well: Bring up Polish Notation to an Analytical Logician - for mild-mannered Philosophers, they get quite heated.

    At any rate, those are his opinions, which he feels are of epistemological status due to his research. I simply see you posting videos and agreeing with what is said, without proving a word of your position.


  14. Quote Originally Posted by whiskers View Post
    Mulletsoldier, I'm assuming you're just trying to roughly shake us out of what may be unfounded opinions. If that's true, thank you and keep it up .
    Though I dont think I'm being unreasonable. I would consider my opinions to be pretty well thought out and informed. If I'm wrong on anything (I prob am somewhere) please correct me so I dont repeat incorrect bull and make myself look stupid in the future.
    Rather this: You show me the objective qualifications for your opinions herein. I cannot invalidate rhetoric (not in the derogatory, but literal meaning of "persuasive language").

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    Rather this: You show me the objective qualifications for your opinions herein. I cannot invalidate rhetoric (not in the derogatory, but literal meaning of "persuasive language").
    Do you talk like this in real life?

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Omen View Post
    Do you talk like this in real life?
    lolz. fer realz haha. (online stylz talk).

    but in all cereal mulletsodier, you're request for me to site the history of what has sculpted my opinions thus far would be quite the time consuming task. (maybe on a boring sunday I'll tackle such a project.)

    What are your motives here? Are you an intellectual obama supporter? (if so, you're one of a kind... who has been on a strict diet consisting of only corporate media.)

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    Rather this: You show me the objective qualifications for your opinions herein. I cannot invalidate rhetoric (not in the derogatory, but literal meaning of "persuasive language").
    please attempt to do so. I know the standard is "innocent unitl proven guilty," but give me one 'shot to the heart' piece of evidence that obama is not another zionist who will inherit bush's war crimes and run with them.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Omen View Post
    Do you talk like this in real life?
    Yes. Rhetoric literally means justified persuasive speech-making. It was a formal science at one time. Anyway, you seem rather surprised that somebody would speak the same way online as they would in person. I wonder why?


  19. Quote Originally Posted by whiskers View Post
    please attempt to do so. I know the standard is "innocent unitl proven guilty," but give me one 'shot to the heart' piece of evidence that obama is not another zionist who will inherit bush's war crimes and run with them.
    Why does the burden of proof lie on me? It simply does not. I have asked you to affirm your position, and instead of doing so you have appealed now to my moral sensibilities, and previously to your lack of motivation. I think it is a rather simple order: Show me some qualifications for what you have said!

    I have not asked you for an entire chronology of American Corporate-Politics, just a quick explanation with relevant proof on why you feel what you feel. You have lambasted Obama-followers in general (myself not being one of them) for blindly following the God-like portrayal of Obama in the mainstream news-media; as I see it, you are committing the exact same fallacy, but simply painting it in a different position. You dislike Obama because he is a populist candidate, and that is clear. Now would be the time to justify your belief with some proof beyond YouTube videos, friend. If you notice, I have never stated anything positive and/or negative about Obama - merely that you need to provide better proof for your rhetoric.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    for blindly following the God-like portrayal of Obama in the biased mainstream news-media;
    Fixed.
    For answers to board issues, read the Suggestion and News forum at the bottom of the main page.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Kruger View Post
    Fixed.
    Well, I assumed mentioning his God-like portrayal was indicative enough in this instance!


  22. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    Yes. Rhetoric literally means justified persuasive speech-making. It was a formal science at one time. Anyway, you seem rather surprised that somebody would speak the same way online as they would in person. I wonder why?

    Yeah.....I never met someone who talks like you do....strikes me as odd....or Canadian...
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