Assault Weapons Ban 2008 bill
- 11-09-2008, 03:18 PM
- 11-09-2008, 04:04 PM
- 11-09-2008, 04:28 PM
who needs assault weapons anyway?
they're designed for one thing and one thing only to kill people, you kill someone rightfully or wrongfully and you end up in prison, not a good ending
maybe this outlaw will keep a few people alive and others out of trouble/prison.
11-09-2008, 05:39 PM
I think cars are weapons too and should be banned, I think the government should either ban all cars or control all cars/trucks/ because civilians are retarded!
Look at those numbers! for cars!
45,800 people were killed in motor vehicle crashes in 2005, and 2,400,000 were injured
The monetary result of these fatal and nonfatal unintentional injuries amounted to $625.5 billion in 2005. This is equivalent to about $2,100 per capita, or about $5,500 per household. Every American household pays in one way or another, through higher prices for goods and services, or through higher taxes
Now, look at guns!
52,447 deliberate and 23,237 accidental non-fatal gunshot injuries in the United States during 2000. The majority of gun-related deaths in the United States are suicides, with firearms used in 16,907 suicides in the United States during 2004
In 2005, 75% of the 10,100 homicides committed using firearms in the United States were committed using handguns, compared to 4% with rifles, 5% with shotguns, and the rest with a type of firearm not specified.
None of the guns used against me in crimes were legal, not a single one , let alone possession by a person, which tells me one thing, laws do not for criminals, they don't know what the laws are they don't give a f**K.
ON THE OTHER HAND, every car I've been hit by, was LEGAL, 3 times I got hit by people not paying attention and breaking laws, on my motorcycle, 3 times, no charges filed, idiots still free, driving, even though I had broken bones, fractures, pain that still shows out of the blue somedays.....nothing filed against them....
Next time, if someone hits me with their car, I'm going to "accidentally" shoot them with my gun....if no charges were filed for criminal negligence everytime I got hit by the car, none should be filed for me being negligent with the gun, how about some equality mutherf**kers !
11-09-2008, 05:54 PM
Well, every single round you fire, you're accounted for, I'm good with my guns, I don't carry anything I can't fire accurately, once a month atleast I make sure I qualify with what I carry, both hands.
But, I do carry 1 15 rouns magazine and 2 20 rnd magazines, why? why not? more rounds=more killing points if I have to, I'd rather carry my 55 rounds in mags and 100rnds (loose) with me everyday and NEVER use them, then carry a 10 round mag+1 in the chamber and happen to need 12 or more.
The odds of having a big fire in your house are low, but do you keep a car extinguisher or the biggest one you can afford/carry around reasonably? I go for the latter.
11-09-2008, 10:16 PM
11-09-2008, 10:44 PM
11-10-2008, 06:58 AM
11-26-2008, 04:37 PM
I voted against the ban because if we stop importing 7.62 caliber guns the ammo will become less common and more expensive. It's already gone up a lot since last time I bought.
11-28-2008, 06:07 PM
11-29-2008, 12:39 PM
I very opposed ! so every honest citizen in the United States is going to be disarmed ? who's brilliant idea was that ? I remember back sometime when Hillary Clinton was doing this "Mothers Against Guns" march,..quess whos surrounded by Secret Servicemen,..? maby they where only armed with pepper spray,.? ....sorry but im not giving up mine.
11-29-2008, 02:25 PM
11-29-2008, 02:31 PM
11-30-2008, 03:57 AM
12-01-2008, 02:01 AM
I am torn on the subject. Although I think assault weapons are fun to shoot, I just don't trust most people with them. Even cops sometimes. But that applies to all guns. I don't have a problem with restrictions on such weapons, if it wasn't for the fact that it might lead to banning all of them.
And just look what is happening in Mexico. I am pretty sure that guns are illegal to possess there, but if you have been watching the news lately, Mexican drug cartels are STOCKED with assault weapons (.50 caliber rifles and even grenades). And they have been using them, killing all kinds of people including rival cartel members, cops, politicians, and anyone else in between. They have been finding mutilated and decapitated bodies in Juarez and Tijuana. Scary, scary stuff is happening along our borders.
This violence has spread into Arizona, California, and Texas in the form of home invasions. It's a scary combination - Drugs and Guns. It seems that they have been pushing drugs through the border heavily, as the airway and waterway security was beefed up after 9/11. Now more than ever, border states are major hubs for drug trafficking.
Given that, I am thankful for the 2nd amendment in our country, especially considering the fact that our government has done very little in regards to our borders. If they are unwilling or unable to protect us, then at least give the people the right to protect themselves.
12-01-2008, 02:07 AM
Though no fault of their own, the average police time in my state/area was 7 minutes and in some areas in America, it can take on average up to 2 hours! I did a report on this in a HomeLand Security course in college.
When seconds count, Police are there in minutes, guns protect people, cops interrogate, maintain presence, apprehend and handle high risk situations(sustained bank robberies, bomb threats, etc....) and other things...
But for self defense, nothing beats a well trained mind armed with a .45 ACP 230grain Federal Hydrashock JHP loaded Handgun.
12-01-2008, 02:45 AM
12-01-2008, 03:00 AM
Oregon Firearms Academy LLC - Courses
I have an academy here(FL) that provides courses to private citizens and to restricted government agencies, Armed security, D/G Armed security guard license, patrol techniques, etc....
Fun, worth the money and you meet like minded people, good place to get your CCW/CWP permit course if you haven't already.
12-01-2008, 09:24 AM
12-01-2008, 02:29 PM
These days I'm carrying a .357 magnum and 2 speed loaders, I load em up with Federal Hydrashok 158grain.
If you like revolvers, you should look in to the Taurus Judge, fires a .45LC and a .410 shotshell ....load em up with slugs, not bird/buck shot
12-01-2008, 03:23 PM
i agree with this bill passing. here's the problem as i see it :
there's so many of these already floating around, and tons of people will just buy it before the ban, which renders this bill useless.
having a pre-existing amount floating around doesn't do anything to prevent these from being used in a crime, or them ending up in the hands of criminals. especially when half the guns used in crimes are exported back to us from mexico.
basically, unless you revamp border security, and do a house by house confiscation of these weapons, we're not in a safer position, nor will we ever be.
does anyone remember the guns for shoes exchange in florida 1-2 years back? a construction worker was asked to demolish a shed, and he wisely checked it out first. let's just say he got a pair of reeboks for his kid for the rocket launcher he turned in.
omen, i've been shot, i have been stabbed. i have shot and killed. there's still no reason i need an AR. the above article kind of gives me the impression that we have a very high preexisting amount of weapons in this country that we should try addressing first however.
12-01-2008, 08:24 PM
12-01-2008, 08:26 PM
12-01-2008, 08:34 PM
12-01-2008, 08:38 PM
a folding or telescoping stock makes a guin more dangerous? a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon?a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of--
`(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
`(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
`(iii) a bayonet mount;
`(iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and
`(v) a grenade launcher;
`(C) a semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of--
`(i) an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;
`(ii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer;
`(iii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned;
`(iv) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and
`(v) a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm; and
`(D) a semiautomatic shotgun that has at least 2 of--
`(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
`(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
`(iii) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds; and
`(iv) an ability to accept a detachable magazine.'.
Its about what looks evil, its not a functional spec
12-01-2008, 08:54 PM
The real problem is that the unintended consequence of an assault weapons ban is only going to keep these weapons out of the hands of everyone except said thugs.
12-01-2008, 08:58 PM
12-01-2008, 09:01 PM
back to my earlier post, functionally these are identical
the only difference is the top one had the wooden stocks removed and replaced with plastic ones that sit differently. and it would be banned
12-01-2008, 09:52 PM
I see your point Easy - I guess they just want to focus on the "scary" looking stuff.
Either way, I have always wanted a Dragunov rifle. I guess I should get one while I still can.
12-01-2008, 09:52 PM
Forget about border security, the same government wants cheap labor, drugs, illegal guns, etc.......the government would lose a lot of money and jobs if they did one helluva job of securing the border.
Hell it's an AWESOME terrorist haven! go to south America, pass the border and blow up more Americans! YAY!!!
Yeah, f**k the government, they wanna fix a problem, fix the f**king border and then worry about disarming us and stopping us from defending ourselves, next thing you know it'll be illegal, all you can do is go in a b*tch room (panic/safe room) and be a good b*tch......F**K that......
Einstein, there are laws against owning rocket launchers, what makes you think if you have more laws against guns it's gonna work? only those willing to break the law will do it........yet when they prey on people who are disarmed because of the "Law" (see how stupid that sH*t is?) they're treating them like they did nothing wrong, like they passed a note to someone in class.....
You've been shot, stabbed and killed people....you think you're the only one? I'd be impressed if I lived all my life in mid-America...but that's far from the truth.
I want an AR, I want an AK, I wan an HK 43, a Sig .556 Pistol too, I have my handguns, shotguns and all that......what if someone else has one? they got one up on me....and we all know the cops only come to take pictures of your dead body and throw you away.........since they can't do their jobs and take guns from criminals, why should I be disarmed because they can't fix their problem to begin with?
F**K em, I'm keeping my sh*t.
12-01-2008, 11:10 PM
12-02-2008, 06:34 AM
i kinda wanted a dragunov too, but only if I get it with the original scope. and not one of the doofy dragunov carbines, but a full size one.
12-02-2008, 01:27 PM
I'm hoping to pull enough cash together for DPMS LR308 before the ban hits.
I dunno why but the idea of a semi-auto rifle that can shoot under a .5 MOA, and knock a target only a few inches big at 800yds is SWEET! And I love the look of the AR!
What I don't understand (other than the ban period) why if anything they don't just make these a class 3 weapon? I mean even after the ban, for a $200 class 3 fee, and the cost of it, I could throw a silencer on the end of my AR, but not buy a stock one?
I would much rather a criminal have 10 stock AR's as compared to a single silenced one!
12-06-2008, 06:29 PM
12-07-2008, 01:52 AM
Otherwise I would goto the bushy website and start calling all the retailers on the list.
I was hoping to find a DPMS LR-308 for a decent price but i looks like they're already upwards of 2K, so I dunno about that. Does anyone hav eany info on the ban? It seems all the info on it is very hidden (no **** the government hidding somthing from us, whats new?) I mean what are the odds of it actually happening?
12-07-2008, 02:27 AM
Yeah, **** the government. I'm the only person who gets to decide if my life and the life of the people around me are worth protecting. Not the governemt! What the **** are the police going to do if I'm trouble. Like Omen said, the police are the ones who work after a crime is committed. When seconds matter, the police are only minutes away.
12-14-2008, 11:37 PM
not worried. It'll be the same as the last AWB. Might see some good out of it for me in terms of making money, like i did when i sold a couple pre ban colt ar's during the ban for 2-3x the amount they originally were, if i need some money for some reason. Then again 4 yrs from now or whenever the ban needs to be voted on and reinstated, it'll prolly sunset again for some reason or another and we will be back in the same spot all over again. I already have enough weapons and ammo to supply the whole Nigerian army lol, so once again, ... I ain't worried.
12-15-2008, 12:23 AM
12-15-2008, 12:49 AM
As I said Ive got all I need now for like 5 lifetimes,... and the ban will only affect future weapon from then on, all while there is already an abundance of rifles and other assault weapons on the market already. They can't take away what you already have, and if they tried, they would have a fight on their hands, all over the nation. so once again, i aint worried,...
12-15-2008, 12:01 PM
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