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    To The Undecided Voter part 2


    There’s a quote that’s been floating around since I began my talk radio career. This quote is most often attributed to someone named Alexander Tyler writing in 1787 about the fall of the Athenian Republic. Others have said the guy’s name was Tytler. Let’s not argue spelling right now … let’s just get to the quote, because the quote goes to the heart of this presidential election:

    “A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.”

    Think about this, my friends. Isn’t this exactly what we’re seeing right now? In fact, hasn’t this pretty much been the theme of Democrat Party election politics for nearly as long as you can remember? Here we have Barack Obama promising that he’s only going to raise taxes on the evil rich who make over $250,000 a year while 95% of Americans will get tax cuts. Think of this in terms of votes; higher taxes for 5% of the voters, lower taxes for the other 95%. It really doesn’t take all that much brainpower to figure out how this is going to work at in an election does it? You take money away from the people whose votes you don’t need, and give it to the people whose votes you do need. So very simple. The result is that people have, in fact, discovered that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. Who is promising those wonderful goodies? That would be Barack Obama. Just what percentage of voters out there do you think are going to vote for Obama simply because he is promising them someone else’s money? My guess is that the number would be high enough to constitute the margin of victory for The Great Redistributionist.

    Somehow I had this idea when I was growing up that if you wanted something bad enough, you would work hard until you got it. That was then. This is now. Now you vote for it. That’s change you can believe in.

    Those Amazing Vanishing Jobs

    Barack Obama repeatedly tells the American people that he is going to cut taxes for 95% of them. Now that’s a pretty nifty trick when more than 40% of Americans don’t pay income taxes in the first place. Tell me please … just how do you cut taxes for someone who doesn’t pay taxes?

    Here’s the fancy narrative (Obama supporters just love that word) that the Obama campaign has come up with. Even if you don’t pay income taxes, you still pay payroll taxes. So Obama is going to give these people who only pay Social Security and Medicare taxes an offsetting tax credit. At this point Obama’s plan becomes almost impossible to explain. It’s convoluted, to say the least, but that’s out of necessity. When people started reminding him that about one-half of the people he’s going to cut taxes for don’t pay taxes he had to come up with something. The bottom line is this. Obama says that he is not going to take the cost of his tax credits from the Social Security Trust Fund. That’s nice, considering the fact that this so-called Trust Fund exists only on paper anyway. But if that money isn’t subtracted from the Trust Fund … where does it come from? Obama’s people explain that at first the deficit will just have to increase while these checks are written. Later they’ll just go out there and get the money from those “rich people.”

    OK … so there we are. It’s tax the rancid rich time so that money can be transferred to the poor. But just who are these evil rich people destined to be beaten down by Obama’s taxes? At first Barack Obama defined them as “people making over $250,000 a year.” That definition had to change when it became known that the $250,000 a years was only for a married couple filing a joint tax return. In a heartbeat Obama changed his rhetoric to note that the tax increase would nail “families,” not “people” earning over 250 grand. If you’re single, the figure will be somewhere between $150,000 and $200,000, depending on who you’re talking to. We’ll try to let you know when Obama settles on a hard figure.

    There’s your first lie.

    So, what does all of this have to do with jobs? Well the very people that Barack Obama wants to nail with these tax increases are the people who create most of the jobs in our economy; America’s small business owners.

    The Democrats spend no small amount of time excoriating corporations. To listen to a Democrat candidate corporations and lobbyists are the sole sources of evil in our society. Oh … and right wing talk show hosts. Well, you can forget these evil, nasty corporations for now. Fact is 70% of all jobs in our economy come from America’s small business owners. The Small Business Administration recently reported that 80% of all new jobs are being created by these small business owners. These are people who report all of their business income on their personal income tax returns. As such, they are squarely in the crosshairs for The Chosen One’s tax increases.

    If you are an American concerned about your job with a small business … and if you vote for Obama … then you very well could be cutting your own economic throat. Think about it. If the small business owner(s) who employs you has his taxes increased by Barack Obama he is going to look for a way to replace that money. So where does he go to replace his income lost to Barack’s tax increases? The best way would be to cut expenses. Well guess what? You’re an expense! Will it be your job that is cut to compensate for the increased taxes? Maybe you’ll be lucky and just have to forego your next raise. Maybe there would just be a cut in your pay or a reduction in benefits. Cast your vote and take your chances!

    In recent days the McCain campaign has finally started to warn people about the possible consequences of Obama’s tax increases on America’s small businesses. This has forced the Obama campaign to come up with a response. Initially Barack Obama started saying that he was going to give a break on capital gains taxes to small businesses. This worked for a while until people started figuring out that small businesses don’t pay capital gains taxes. Back to the drawing board, and this time they came up with a beauty. It’s a con, but it works. Barack Obama is now telling the media and anyone else who will listen that 95% of America’s small businesses don’t make $250,000 a year, and thus won’t be affected by Obama’s tax increases.

    That’s the second lie. A lie of omission.

    Obama’s statistics may be accurate .. or nearly so. But the statement leaves one very important statistic out. Initially when you hear that “95% of all small businesses” line you probably think that this 95% employ about 95% of all of the people working for small businesses. You could think that, but you would be wrong.

    The trick here is that the vast majority of America’s small businesses are just that … small. I owned a title abstract business in the 80’s that had one employee. My wife owned a travel agency that had two employees. Neither of these small businesses came anywhere near the $250,000 line.

    When you think about it you will understand that the important statistic here is the percentage of small business employees who will be affected, not the percentage of small businesses.

    The October 21st edition of The Wall Street Journal addressed this issue in an article entitled “Socking It to Small Businesses.” The WSJ reports that Obama is right “that most of the 35 million small businesses in America have a net income of less than $250,000, hire only a few workers, and stay in business for less than four years.” There’s more to the story though: “.. the point is that it is the most successful small and medium-sized businesses that create most of the new jobs.. And they are precisely the businesses that will be slammed by Mr. Obama’s tax increase.” The Senate Finance Committee reports that of those who file income taxes in the highest two tax brackets; three out of four are the small business owners Obama wants to tax.

    The WSJ reports that the National Federation of Independent Business says that only 10% of small businesses with one to nine employees will be hit by Obama’s tax increase. However, almost 20% of the small businesses that employ from 10 to 19 people will get nailed, and 50% of small businesses with over 20 employees get punished.

    Again … it is not the percentage of businesses who will have to pay the increased taxes; it’s the percentage of the total of small business employees who work for those businesses. The Obama campaign is counting on you not making that distinction; and they know the media won’t make it for you; so Obama’s “95% of all small businesses don’t make $250,000” line will probably rule the day.

    Come on folks. These are your jobs we’re talking about here. It’s time to take your blinders off and see through some of this Obama rhetoric. The Obama campaign has some wonderful people working for them to tell them just how to parse words to hide intent and meaning. Just because they’re trying to fool you doesn’t mean that you have to be so easily suckered. When Obama talks about change .. he may well mean that you are going to have to change jobs. Now that’s change you can believe in, right?

    Pandering to the Unions .. at Your Expense.

    Now since we’re talking about jobs here, you need to be up to speed on The Messiah’s “Employee Free Choice Act.” Let me step out on a limb here and say that applying the words “free choice” to Obama’s plan to eliminate secret ballots in union elections is like applying the words “fun sex” to an act of rape. Freedom has nothing to do with Obama’s plan, and fun has nothing to do with rape.

    Going in you need to recognize that union membership has been falling for decades. You only see growth in union membership in government employee unions. This, of course, is troubling to union leaders. It is also troubling to Democrats. Unions, you see, almost exclusively support Democrat candidates, both with money and time. Big money and lots of time … and it’s all behind Obama’s candidacy.
    To know what Obama is up to here, you need to know how union organizing works under the current law. Union organizers circulate a petition among employees. Employees are asked to sign a card saying that they would like to be represented by a union in their workplace. If a majority of the workers sign the cards the employer has the option of immediately recognizing the union and allowing them to organize the workplace. More often the employer will call for an election – an election using secret ballots. Every employee will be given the opportunity to express their desire to join or not to join a union in secret. Their co-workers will not know how they voted. They can prance around the workplace touting their support of unionization all they want in order to impress or appease their fellow workers, especially those who are trying to organize the union, but then vote “no” on the secret ballot if that’s how they truly feel.

    How, you might ask, do Democrats feel about the secret ballot in union elections? For a clue let’s go to a letter from 16 House Democrats dated August 29, 2001. The letter was written on the letterhead of California Congressman George Miller, a Democrat representing the 7th District of California. That letter reads:

    [Letterhead of George Miller, Congress of the United States]

    Junta Local de Conciliacion y Arbitraje del Estado de Puebla
    Lic. Armando Poxqui Quintero
    7 Norte Numero 1006 Altos
    Colonia Centro
    Puebla, Mexico C.P. 7200
    Dear members of the Junta Local de Conciliacion y Arbitraje of the state of Puebla.

    As members of Congress of the United States who are deeply concerned with international labor standards and the role of labor rights in international trade agreements, we are writing to encourage you to use the secret ballot in all union recognition elections.

    We understand that the secret ballot is allowed for, but not required, by Mexican labor law. However, we feel that the secret ballot is absolutely necessary in order to ensure that workers are not intimidated into voting for a union they might not otherwise chose.

    We respect Mexico as an important neighbor and trading partner, and we feel that the increased use of the secret ballow in union recognition elections will help bring real democracy to the Mexican workplace.

    Signed:

    George Miller
    Bernard Sanders
    Lane Evans
    Marcy Kaptur
    William J. Coyne
    Bob Filner
    Martin Olav Sabo
    Joe Baca
    Dennis J. Kucinich
    Fortney Pete Stark
    James P. McGovern
    Barney Frank
    Zoe Lofgren
    Calvin M. Dooley
    Barbara Lee
    Lloyd Doggett

    So there you go. These 16 Democrats are on the record as being solidly in favor of using secret ballots in union recognition elections. So far, so good … because that, as they point out in their letter, is clearly the right stance.

    That brings us to piece of legislation – a piece of Obama sponsored legislation --designated as H.R. 800, the Employee Free Choice Act. Would you care to guess just what H.R. 800 does? Well, that’s simple. It will eliminate the secret ballot in union recognition elections. You got it! Obama has decided to really do something nice for the union bosses that are supporting him in this election, and he is determined to do away with secret ballots in union elections. When H.R. 800 gets passed … and trust me, with Barack Obama in the White House, this thing will become law … the union organizers will visit all of the workers, perhaps even visiting some of them in their homes, and “urge” them to sign the card calling for a union. I can hear it now: “Mrs. Johnson, wouldn’t you and your children want your husband to be represented by our union at his job?” Now put yourself in the worker’s place!

    Are you going to say no? This organizer is sitting in your living room looking at you and your wife and saying “You do want to be represented by our union in your workplace, don’t you?” And you’re going to tell him no?

    Are you getting the big picture here? This is nothing less than Barack Obama and his Democrat pals legitimizing union intimidation in the workplace. If you don’t see that, then there is virtually no hope for you when it comes to understanding basic politics. It’s payback the unions time .. pay them back for all of that financial support and all of those volunteer hours. Besides … the more union members there are the more union dues the union bosses have to spread to Democrats as campaign contributions.

    But – we’re saved, right? After all, we have those 16 Democrats who signed that letter to Mexico. What was it they said? Oh yeah: “ … we feel that the secret ballot is absolutely necessary in order to ensure that workers are not intimidated into voting for a union they might not otherwise chose.” So these 16 Democrats will certainly put up a spirited defense of secret ballots in union organizing elections, right?

    Well … um … maybe not. You see, four of these congressmen (Dooley, Sabo, Evans and Coyne) are no longer in the Congress. One of the signers, Bernie Sanders, is now a Senator. That leaves 11 of the 16 signees still in the house to defend the principal of the secret ballot.

    I’m afraid we have a small problem though. It seems that every one of the 11 remaining signees is now a sponsor of H.R. 800. In fact, the so-called Employee Free Choice Act was actually introduced by none other than George Miller – the very California Democrat on whose letterhead that letter to Mexico was written. Bernie Sanders is a sponsor of the same legislation in the Senate along with Barack Obama. No surprise .

    On the one hand we have these Democrats writing a letter extolling the virtues of a secret ballot in union organizing elections, and then they sponsor a bill eliminating those very secret ballots! And here’s Barack Obama pledging to sign the bill as soon as it comes to his desk! So what changed between 2001 and 2007? What happened that made these 12 Democrats go from believing that a secret ballot in a union election was “absolutely necessary,” to introducing a bill eliminating those “absolutely necessary” secret ballots? Control of congress; that’s what changed. In 2001 the Republicans ran the show. In 2007 it was the Democrats … and it was time to return some favors to union bosses. Do you know what you’re seeing here? You’re seeing just how much power unions have over Barack Obama and the Democrat party. It doesn’t matter what kind of letter you wrote, or what stance you took in the past --- when we say “frog” you had better jump.

    Let me tell you what is going to happen as soon as Barack Obama is elected. Employers are going to look at the so-called Employee Free Choice Act and they’re going to be very afraid. They know what a union can do to their business and their profitability. Just look at our auto industry. So employers are going to immediately start working to minimize the damage. How do you do that? Well, automation is one way. Go ahead and buy that machinery you need to automate much of your workplace. That will allow you to get rid of these employees before they can unionize. You might also want to consider the possibility of moving some of those jobs overseas where union intimidation might not be such a negative factor in your business operations.

    When Obama gets his unionization by intimidation thing in place – and he most certainly will – jobs are going to be lost and businesses will fail. This is the price Obama is willing to pay to pay back the unions who have supported him.

    Just another reason to vote for The Chosen One, right?

    The Supreme Court

    This is getting to be a bit long. We’re over 6,200 words here. So let’s end this message to the undecided voter with a few words about the Supreme Court.

    It is quite possible that Barack Obama will get to make one, maybe two Supreme Court appointments before he’s through in Washington. It is also possible that he will have a filibuster-proof Senate to help him ram those choices through.

    I’m a lawyer, and I’ve always had this strange idea that the U.S. Supreme Court should base its decisions on the supreme law of our land, our Constitution. Many people think differently these days. A recent and rather shocking survey showed that around 80% of people who support Barack Obama believe that the Supreme Court should base its decisions not on the Constitution, but on what’s “fair.” Egad! On the other hand, the strong majority of McCain voters believe that the Supremes should look to our Constitution as the final authority.

    Let’s just make this short and sweet, because I know you want to get out of here. If Barack Obama gets those two nominations, and if the Democrat Senate rubber-stamps them, then we are going to have a Supreme Court making decisions based on their liberal definition of “fairness” with some consideration to foreign court decisions tossed in. This is perhaps Obama’s greatest opportunity to do permanent damage to our Republic; permanent and irreparable damage. It’s one thing when Barack Obama talks about wealth seizure and redistribution in terms of “fairness.” It’s quite another when that talk is legitimized by a Supreme Court decision.

    So, dear undecided voters … as Og Mandino (a great American) once said: “Use wisely your power of choice.” There’s a lot hanging in the balance.
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    And which Talk Radio Titan(tm) can we thank for this unattributed piece?

    Smells like Limbaugh, except for the "I am a lawyer" bit.
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    oh christ
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    Quote Originally Posted by BodyWizard View Post
    And which Talk Radio Titan(tm) can we thank for this unattributed piece?

    Smells like Limbaugh, except for the "I am a lawyer" bit.
    A little guidance needed for our mental giant here: note this is part 2. The beginning of part 1 states authorship. I am sure you will require that to attack the man vs his ideas. Kinda like what you lefty loons did to Joe the plummer right? Or perhaps you will claim he isn't really a normal guy because he didn't have a nice wardrobe and obtained help acquiring one suitable. Rtard.
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    ...lol.

    BP, you know this is bull****, so I will refrain from debating this whatsoever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    ...lol.

    BP, you know this is bull****, so I will refrain from debating this whatsoever.

    X2 Total bull****, yeah vote wisely so we don't exp 4 more years of this **** or we will be a third world country.
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    You guys are fukking retarded (not bp) Do you really think that a recession happens during the time of one president. Even if we get someone that makes all the right choices that doesn't mean the economy will be back in a year open your eyes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bpmartyr View Post
    A little guidance needed for our mental giant here: note this is part 2. The beginning of part 1 states authorship. I am sure you will require that to attack the man vs his ideas. Kinda like what you lefty loons did to Joe the plummer right? Or perhaps you will claim he isn't really a normal guy because he didn't have a nice wardrobe and obtained help acquiring one suitable. Rtard.
    "Joe the Plumber" is a farce, he's actually "Sam the unregistered".
    It's amazing how when something blows up in your conservative faces, it's "we're being attacked by the lefty loons". Maybe the McCain campaign should have checked a little about Joe before they made him a cause celeb. I'm sure though that since he knows where he is, John McCain will call Bin Laden and have him give himself up next weekend and claim that Barack is his nephew so he can pull the election out. btw, most of us could care less how much the RNC paid for what Sarah Palin is wearing. They could of however went to Loehmans or Marshalls and got a lot more bang for the buck and kept her "Hockey Mom", "mutha humpin moose" shooting image intact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fastone View Post
    "Joe the Plumber" is a farce, he's actually "Sam the unregistered".
    It's amazing how when something blows up in your conservative faces, it's "we're being attacked by the lefty loons". Maybe the McCain campaign should have checked a little about Joe before they made him a cause celeb. I'm sure though that since he knows where he is, John McCain will call Bin Laden and have him give himself up next weekend and claim that Barack is his nephew so he can pull the election out. btw, most of us could care less how much the RNC paid for what Sarah Palin is wearing. They could of however went to Loehmans or Marshalls and got a lot more bang for the buck and kept her "Hockey Mom", "mutha humpin moose" shooting image intact.

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    If Obama wins the only thing thats good that will happen is the big fat "I TOLD YOU SO" we can give you Keynesinnist Lefties.

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    To the undecided voter, Leonard Peikoff's assessment of the US presidential candidates summarizes it best:

    McCain: "a tired moron"
    Obama: "a lying phony"
    Biden: "an enjoyably hilarious windbag"
    Palin: "an opportunist struggling to learn how to become a moron, a phony, and a windbag"
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobInKuwait View Post
    If Obama wins the only thing thats good that will happen is the big fat "I TOLD YOU SO" we can give you Keynesinnist Lefties.

    Rob, I think you're up too late, you got it backwardsIf McCain wins, I will graciously get over it. If Obama wins, most of you guys will probably chase your tails for a month.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Fastone View Post
    Rob, I think you're up too late, you got it backwardsIf McCain wins, I will graciously get over it. If Obama wins, most of you guys will probably chase your tails for a month.



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    at this point i hope he wins...so we can once again show the world how moronic liberal are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raginfcktard View Post
    at this point i hope he wins...so we can once again show the world how moronic liberal are.
    At least you recognize hope. btw, we've shown the world how moronic your side can be over the last 8 years, our turn.:bruce3:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fastone View Post
    At least you recognize hope. btw, we've shown the world how moronic your side can be over the last 8 years, our turn.:bruce3:
    I agree, Obama will definitely show the world the true meaning of the word moronic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobInKuwait View Post
    I agree, Obama will definitely show the world the true meaning of the word moronic.
    You're gonna be so unhappy when you're prosperous against your will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fastone View Post
    You're gonna be so unhappy when you're prosperous against your will.

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    You actually think he is going to make us that much more prosperous, especially right now?Based on what his experience?
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    I dont think either are going to make us prosperous. Hell both of them are going to spend, spend again then spend some more. I dont care what anyone here says, the new republican fiscal plan is not conservative in any way. SO in essence, McCain is quite similar to Bush.

    For anyone interested, go to the tax policy center website as McCain advised, and you will see, both are going to keep spending till the dollar isnt worth the paper it is printed on
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    I dont think either are going to make us prosperous. Hell both of them are going to spend, spend again then spend some more. I dont care what anyone here says, the new republican fiscal plan is not conservative in any way. SO in essence, McCain is quite similar to Bush.
    For anyone interested, go to the tax policy center website as McCain advised, and you will see, both are going to keep spending till the dollar isnt worth the paper it is printed on
    Wow that sounds familar did you get that from every news channel out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hman85 View Post
    Wow that sounds familar did you get that from every news channel out?
    You cant be that blind can you? I guess hearing it come from McCains mouth doesnt do it for you :eyeroll: I take it you are not familiar with the website I quoted, even though McCain was spouting off for people to go take a look at it. I guess he forgot to do that as well

    I am sorry if I am not a drone for Foxnews or MSNBC, but things are what they are. Keep this in mind, I dont like either side here and think that both sides are terribly flawed, however, there was a good chance I would have supported McCain until he picked Sarah Palin who does not even know what a VP does.

    One of the other funny things to is that they both sign on for the bailout, which in essence is socialist spending, and hell Mccain's hero Teddy Roosevelt was for a "redistribution" as well. Uh oh, was he a socialist too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    You cant be that blind can you? I guess hearing it come from McCains mouth doesnt do it for you :eyeroll: I take it you are not familiar with the website I quoted, even though McCain was spouting off for people to go take a look at it. I guess he forgot to do that as well

    I am sorry if I am not a drone for Foxnews or MSNBC, but things are what they are. Keep this in mind, I dont like either side here and think that both sides are terribly flawed, however, there was a good chance I would have supported McCain until he picked Sarah Palin who does not even know what a VP does.

    One of the other funny things to is that they both sign on for the bailout, which in essence is socialist spending, and hell Mccain's hero Teddy Roosevelt was for a "redistribution" as well. Uh oh, was he a socialist too?
    Not the biggest fan of palin either, and no one, who ever it is, is going to get in there and not spend money. It just doesn't work that way.The news is very liberal so of course they are going to make everything sound better if it is liberal. i think people should check it out for themselves and not listen to the news at all. the media is a bunch of scum and should be treated this way. imo I just do not see how taxing everyone that makes over 250,00 is going to help at all. Thats all of the small bussiness owners in america. So we are going to tax them and then they are going to fire more people and that is going to help? I do not agree at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    I would have supported McCain until he picked Sarah Palin who does not even know what a VP does.
    Um, based upon what. You must not of watched the VP debates when Biden didn't realize that the VP presides over the Senate.

    One of the other funny things to is that they both sign on for the bailout, which in essence is socialist spending,
    You have a point. However, that's like saying to me that eating a cupcake is bad while you eat an entire wedding cake. McCain is not the greatest conservative. Any conservative that knows anything knows the man is the definition of a moderate. That doesn't change the fact that Obama is an extreme left winger. He is not moderate in the least.

    and hell Mccain's hero Teddy Roosevelt was for a "redistribution" as well. Uh oh, was he a socialist too?
    Just because you embrace someone as your hero doesn't mean you like everything about them. TR was a war hero and fought to end corruption. He accomplished some good things. I don't personally care for the man, but I see how someone like McCain would.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hman85 View Post
    Not the biggest fan of palin either, and no one, who ever it is, is going to get in there and not spend money. It just doesn't work that way.The news is very liberal so of course they are going to make everything sound better if it is liberal. i think people should check it out for themselves and not listen to the news at all. the media is a bunch of scum and should be treated this way. imo I just do not see how taxing everyone that makes over 250,00 is going to help at all. Thats all of the small bussiness owners in america. So we are going to tax them and then they are going to fire more people and that is going to help? I do not agree at all.
    I think recent history has shown that giving them the tax breaks is not going to work either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    I dont think either are going to make us prosperous. Hell both of them are going to spend, spend again then spend some more. I dont care what anyone here says, the new republican fiscal plan is not conservative in any way. SO in essence, McCain is quite similar to Bush.

    For anyone interested, go to the tax policy center website as McCain advised, and you will see, both are going to keep spending till the dollar isnt worth the paper it is printed on
    There is a big difference that you are not factoring. Increasing taxes on the wealthy and corporate taxes will hinder business growth and lower our GDP. This will cause an increase in unemployment and decrease prosperity.

    Excessive spending is bad, I agree. However, excessive spending in the face of decreasing tax revenue is worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hman85 View Post
    Wow that sounds familar did you get that from every news channel out?
    You don't need a news channel to tell you that. A five year old knows that McCain Voted with GWB 90% of the time from his own mouth. If he hadn't, this may be a different situation now. it's almost a moot point now though since the dolts who are running his campaign have done him a great dis service to say the least. If you listen closely, you can now quietly hear ankles breaking as they jump off of that bandwagon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fastone View Post
    You don't need a news channel to tell you that. A five year old knows that McCain Voted with GWB 90% of the time from his own mouth. If he hadn't, this may be a different situation now.

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    So did the majority of the senate! thats why it passed , there is the news making you look so smart. you think the pres is the only one that makes the decision he needs a majority vote from the senate as well. Tell me why you think obama would be so great? Is it because of his lack of experience? his great middle name? the fact he gets all of his money from the middle east? the fact that before he ran his wife said she hated this country? is it because he wants to take way our guns or just tax the hell out of them? or is it because he has served our country his whole life(just kidding he didn't) which one of the great list of things makes you think he is going to do such a great job. Or is it just cause you listen to what every news channel and dumb undecided or following person says?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fastone View Post
    You don't need a news channel to tell you that. A five year old knows that McCain Voted with GWB 90% of the time from his own mouth. If he hadn't, this may be a different situation now. it's almost a moot point now though since the dolts who are running his campaign have done him a great dis service to say the least. If you listen you can now quietly hear ankles breaking as they jump off of that bandwagon.

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    Its a misleading number. In 2005 and 2006 he was closer to 70-75% voting with GWB.

    McCain weighs every issue independently and is not afraid to work across the aisle, which is more than you can say for most congresspeople.

    Obama voted with Dems 98% of the time. The president is supposed to be a check and balance against the legislative branch. Not likely with that record.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hman85 View Post
    So did the majority of the senate! thats why it passed , there is the news making you look so smart. you think the pres is the only one that makes the decision he needs a majority vote from the senate as well. Tell me why you think obama would be so great? Is it because of his lack of experience? his great middle name? the fact he gets all of his money from the middle east? the fact that before he ran his wife said she hated this country? is it because he wants to take way our guns or just tax the hell out of them? or is it because he has served our country his whole life(just kidding he didn't) which one of the great list of things makes you think he is going to do such a great job. Or is it just cause you listen to what every news channel and dumb undecided or following person says?
    Hey Sean, you're not allowed to post on bodybuilding sites. The best thing for me about Barack Obama right now is that it pisses you off that he is winning. Your boy and the "LateTalk Express" missed the freakin boat and all of that Bull**** that Your side of the media tried to paste on Obama didn't stick cause it's fluff. You are regurgitating everything YOU heard and actually was stated previously much better on this site than you ever could. If they are so called facts, well, it ain't working, period. You'll get over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fastone View Post
    Hey Sean, you're not allowed to post on bodybuilding sites. The best thing for me about Barack Obama right now is that it pisses you off that he is winning. Your boy and the "LateTalk Express" missed the freakin boat and all of that Bull**** that Your side of the media tried to paste on Obama didn't stick cause it's fluff. You are regurgitating everything YOU heard and actually was stated previously much better on this site than you ever could. If they are so called facts, well, it ain't working, period. You'll get over it.

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    Sean? wtf? So if what i am saying is regurgitation, what is the same sh1t that you are you saying that i have heard a million times. oh yeah get a new smilie
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    Quote Originally Posted by hman85 View Post
    Sean? wtf? So if what i am saying is regurgitation, what is the same sh1t that you are you saying that i have heard a million times. oh yeah get a new smilie
    Dude, we all regurgitate,if we knew anything,we'd be working in the field. The F is Sean Hannity btw

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fastone View Post
    The best thing for me about Barack Obama right now is that it pisses you off that he is winning.
    Depends on whose counting. A lot of the polls that came out yesterday and today were within the margin of error. Not that you'd ever hear that, MSNBC and CNN sure as hell aren't mentioning it.

    Your boy and the "LateTalk Express" missed the freakin boat and all of that Bull**** that Your side of the media tried to paste on Obama didn't stick cause it's fluff.
    You've got to be kidding me. Your side of the media. That's like calling the dietary supplement market, your side of the food industry. You mean: Fox, the WSJ, Talk Radio, and the Washington Times? What a huge side when compared to NBC, CBS, ABC, NYT, Wash Post, MSNBC, PBS, Public Radio, CNN, the AP, and the LA Times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobInKuwait View Post
    Um, based upon what. You must not of watched the VP debates when Biden didn't realize that the VP presides over the Senate.
    go take a look at Palinn sitting in with elementary kids last week talking about all the things she will be doing. It was funny in a sad way


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    Just because you embrace someone as your hero doesn't mean you like everything about them. TR was a war hero and fought to end corruption. He accomplished some good things. I don't personally care for the man, but I see how someone like McCain would.
    Oh I see. So we like Teddy for war and have praised his prowess as president (which McCain has done several times) however, on this issue, he most certainly would not like him? Man, we pick and choose quite a bit
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    go take a look at Palinn sitting in with elementary kids last week talking about all the things she will be doing. It was funny in a sad way
    Didn't see it...have a link?


    Oh I see. So we like Teddy for war and have praised his prowess as president (which McCain has done several times) however, on this issue, he most certainly would not like him? Man, we pick and choose quite a bit
    McCain's platform doesn't call for income redistribution and Obama's does. I don't think its fair that just because one the heroes of McCain calls for it that he necessarily believes it.

    That would be like saying just because Ayers says he likes to blow up buildings that Obama does.

    Or just because Michelle Obama and Reverend White say disparging things about white people that Obama feels the same way.

    Haven't you been arguing against those kinds of generalizations.

    I think McCain could feel similarly to how a lot of Democrats feel about Bill Clinton. The like him and most of the stuff he did, but aren't to fond of his fcuking around with an intern in the Oval Office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobInKuwait View Post
    That would be like saying just because Ayers says he likes to blow up buildings that Obama does.

    Or just because Michelle Obama and Reverend White say disparging things about white people that Obama feels the same way.

    Haven't you been arguing against those kinds of generalizations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fastone View Post
    The best thing for me about Barack Obama right now is that it pisses you off that he is winning.
    Thats a sad statement. At 56, you shouldn't be talking like this is a football game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post

    I am sorry if I am not a drone for Foxnews or MSNBC, but things are what they are. Keep this in mind, I dont like either side here and think that both sides are terribly flawed, however, there was a good chance I would have supported McCain until he picked Sarah Palin who does not even know what a VP does.
    You did know that Biden, in that same segment of the debate, stated Article I establishes the Executive Branch? This is a guy that served as the Chairman of the Senate Judicial Committee and confuses the Executive and Legislative Branches...but of course the media doesn't really push that one.

    Its just Joe being Joe.

    I don't expect Palin to be as knowledgeable as the former Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee...oh wait...



    One of the other funny things to is that they both sign on for the bailout, which in essence is socialist spending, and hell Mccain's hero Teddy Roosevelt was for a "redistribution" as well. Uh oh, was he a socialist too?
    True. Teddy went a bit nuts in his last term but then again I think the top tax bracket at the time was a whopping 6%. At the height of the Carter administration, it was 68%.....small difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kruger View Post
    Thats a sad statement. At 56, you shouldn't be talking like this is a football game.
    At this point in the year, everything is a football game to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fastone View Post
    At this point in the year, everything is a football game to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hman85 View Post
    You and your bruce, you guys should get married!

    ???? Is that an attempt at a sophomoric insult? You're showing your youth, I'm sure you can do better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fastone View Post
    ???? Is that an attempt at a sophomoric insult? You're showing your youth, I'm sure you can do better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobInKuwait View Post
    McCain's platform doesn't call for income redistribution and Obama's does. I don't think its fair that just because one the heroes of McCain calls for it that he necessarily believes it.

    That would be like saying just because Ayers says he likes to blow up buildings that Obama does.

    Or just because Michelle Obama and Reverend White say disparging things about white people that Obama feels the same way.

    Haven't you been arguing against those kinds of generalizations.
    I forgot thses types of generalizations are for the repubs. Gotcha
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