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  1. Quote Originally Posted by bigcuz View Post
    Do you really think they will get enough money to not even have to work?, You guys think there gonna be getting cut big checks and enough money to live off of. Get Real. Stop trying to defend Mccain's worthless economic policies.
    I have read your other posts there bigcuz. When you become more educated in the affairs going on, and what each plan attains come talk to us again. Your knowledge on the matter is extremely lacking in such issues.

    Adams
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    that actually works within my point. Much in this country is old money, so adams thoughts on you get what you put in are quite wrong

    Actually, no it doesn't. Its an extreme version of what has happened in this country as well as across the world. Many people have made enormous amounts of money in a very short time due to increased trade and open markets that were not around 10-15 years ago. Its not "old money".
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Kruger View Post
    Actually, no it doesn't. Its an extreme version of what has happened in this country as well as across the world. Many people have made enormous amounts of money in a very short time. Its not "old money".
    You mean bill gates, the two kids from yahoo, and the two guys from google somehow made "Old" money? Appearing from nothing huh? Amazing trick.

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  4. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Explain how I am wrong. Also why immigration is still so high here to the US. Are we not STILL the land of opportunity? I gained a skillset that can put me in that "Wealthy" 250K+ category when I separate. I came up from a very poor background. Where is it that I do not gain what I put in?

    Adams
    Curious, what skillset might that be.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    that actually works within my point. Much in this country is old money, so adams thoughts on you get what you put in are quite wrong
    Old money is just that: old money. If it is not being used productively to create wealth, which is real stuff, it will eventually run out.

    Not to mention this who to tax crap is nonsense. Any tax simply means a hit to productivity. You tax individuals, rich or poor, they have less to spend. You tax corporations they pass it on, prices go up, demand down. And it's all meaningless in the end: no one is paying less until the government starts spending less. Unless spending is reduced no matter how they juggle the burden it eventually comes out of everyone's ass in some form or another.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    I was brought up poor as all hell. Single mother household with four kids. We had to stretch noodle soup with water and bullion cubes. So I have lived and breathed in "Lower" class. Some how, some way we made it through...
    You touched on a point that has been pissing me off for some time now.

    The problem I have is that lower class don't just make it through anymore. The system has enabled the lower class a middle class lifestyle on lower class resources.

    I have invested twenty years supporting myself and my family going week to week check to check and I still am. I am in the middle of my life and was coming into a middle income lifestyle until the housing disgrace devalued everything I have invested my hard earn years paying my dues into. I don't have much of a portfolio nor do I have that tremendously great of an income. But what I do have in income and my home has been devalued so significantly by either the housing market fiasco or inflation that I am no better off, and even less off then the lower class who have thrived during this same last 6-8 years.

    Now we have 30-40k income people qualifying for homes more expensive then mine making 20-30k less income than I do. They are living middle class lives making lower class incomes and now I'm paying for it because the system has devalued the middle class.

    This redistributing the wealth is bull****. This giving the lower income a hand out is bull**** as well.

    I support and encourage hard work and paying your dues until you achieve what you want. You live with what you need until you earn what you want. Those who achieve and overachieve should not be penalized or burdened with unfair taxation.

    Not everyone is or should be a home owner. Not everyone is upwardly mobile. Living The American Dream is not a right that everyone is entitled to. It is not for the government to distribute or hand out. It is something that you earn.

    I want my middle class life back!
    I have no enemies. My friends intensely despise me.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by bigcuz View Post
    Curious, what skillset might that be.
    Information Technology Management with a focus on Security/Cryptography... with experiences running at 22M dollar network.

    Adams
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    that actually works within my point. Much in this country is old money, so adams thoughts on you get what you put in are quite wrong
    Yes, but somebody earned that money. Because someone makes enough money to better progeny doesn't mean that money is worthless. If you look at the Forbes richest person list, you'll see that many people took inheritance from their parents and used it to make more money and expand the economy in the process.

    Is what you're saying is that only the person who makes the money is entitled to it? Is passing money to future generations bad?

  9. Quote Originally Posted by B5150 View Post
    You touched on a point that has been pissing me off for some time now.

    The problem I have is that lower class don't just make it through anymore. The system has enabled the lower class a middle class lifestyle on lower class resources.

    I have invested twenty years supporting myself and my family going week to week check to check and I still am. I am in the middle of my life and was coming into a middle income lifestyle until the housing disgrace devalued everything I have invested my hard earn years paying my dues into. I don't have much of a portfolio nor do I have that tremendously great of an income. But what I do have in income and my home has been devalued so significantly by either the housing market fiasco or inflation that I am no better off, and even less off then the lower class who have thrived during this same last 6-8 years.

    Now we have 30-40k income people qualifying for homes more expensive then mine making 20-30k less income than I do. They are living middle class lives making lower class incomes and now I'm paying for it because the system has devalued the middle class.

    This redistributing the wealth is bull****. This giving the lower income a hand out is bull**** as well.

    I support and encourage hard work and paying your dues until you achieve what you want. You live with what you need until you earn what you want. Those who achieve and overachieve should not be penalized or burdened with unfair taxation.

    Not everyone is or should be a home owner. Not everyone is upwardly mobile. Living The American Dream is not a right that everyone is entitled to. It is not for the government to distribute or hand out. It is something that you earn.

    I want my middle class life back!
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Information Technology Management with a focus on Security/Cryptography... with experiences running at 22M dollar network.

    Adams
    250k huh, you my friend have been lied to. Most IT guys get out and make less than 50. My buddy did crypto and retired after 20 and only makes around 70k, as do most. Information Officers don't even make that much when they get out. And the whole running a 22M network thing, thats funny. How about I was in charge of a missle system worth alot more than 22million and i still only make about 70k.

  11. i'm so mixed up with this. let me explain that i am a homeowner, but do not make good money. in fact, after paying the mortgage, i've got money for food, and thats about it. g/f's medical bills pile up and such, and it sucks, but thats life.

    trickle down economics works in one scenario only : when the people that get that handout, use it to better themselves.

    sadly this only happens in maybe 5% of the population or less. my old neighbor got social security, worked full time, bought expensive ($300) pairs of sunglasses, but didn't buy milk for her kids. the problem isn't with economic theory, the problem is that when you hand money out to people, you lessen their ambition. ambition is what makes businesses. ambition is what drives you to do better. when you hand that money out, you are stifling ideas, by convincing people that you can do less, and still "make it". props to the few, and i do mean few, that take a government handout, better themselves, and come off it. that is what it was intended for - not a frikken crutch for people to survive off for 10+ years, which is quickly becoming the norm.

    by the way, welcome back b5150! we missed you.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by bigcuz View Post
    250k huh, you my friend have been lied to. Most IT guys get out and make less than 50. My buddy did crypto and retired after 20 and only makes around 70k, as do most. Information Officers don't even make that much when they get out. And the whole running a 22M network thing, thats funny. How about I was in charge of a missle system worth alot more than 22million and i still only make about 70k.
    You are pigeon holed working missile systems. I fortunately am not. I already have a job lined up with the Geospatial Intelligence Agency when my separation comes time. And that coming out, first job is at 104K. Your friend either doesnt have the drive to make the money, the knowledge I possess, a combination of all, or the wrong market.

    Adams
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by bigcuz View Post
    250k huh, you my friend have been lied to. Most IT guys get out and make less than 50. My buddy did crypto and retired after 20 and only makes around 70k, as do most. Information Officers don't even make that much when they get out. And the whole running a 22M network thing, thats funny. How about I was in charge of a missle system worth alot more than 22million and i still only make about 70k.
    It all depends on your exact skill set, who you know, and where you do it. I guarantee a private contractor in Iraq or Afghanistan with Adams' credentials makes a lot more than 50k.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by suncloud View Post
    i'm so mixed up with this. let me explain that i am a homeowner, but do not make good money. in fact, after paying the mortgage, i've got money for food, and thats about it. g/f's medical bills pile up and such, and it sucks, but thats life.

    trickle down economics works in one scenario only : when the people that get that handout, use it to better themselves.

    sadly this only happens in maybe 5% of the population or less. my old neighbor got social security, worked full time, bought expensive ($300) pairs of sunglasses, but didn't buy milk for her kids. the problem isn't with economic theory, the problem is that when you hand money out to people, you lessen their ambition. ambition is what makes businesses. ambition is what drives you to do better. when you hand that money out, you are stifling ideas, by convincing people that you can do less, and still "make it". props to the few, and i do mean few, that take a government handout, better themselves, and come off it. that is what it was intended for - not a frikken crutch for people to survive off for 10+ years, which is quickly becoming the norm.

    by the way, welcome back b5150! we missed you.
    What you also have to look at is who is a better investment? Someone who has shown a propensity to make money, or someone who has shown a propensity to NOT make money.

    Rich people have made money or received it from someone who has made money. Companies are not created by people making 40k a year. It doesn't happen. Why give those people free money.

    An example is Donald Trump. He became a billionaire, lost it all and then did it again. There's a good chance with the credit crunch that he loses it all. If he lost it all and he had no money, I'd still invest in him to make money any day of the week and twice on Sunday. He doesn't need a handout, he needs government to stay out of his way and keep taxes down so he can make money and hire employees, thus ensuring the lifeblood of the economy is there for future generations.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by suncloud View Post
    trickle down economics works in one scenario only : when the people that get that handout, use it to better themselves.
    I agree with much of what you said but trickle down economics is most definitely not a hand out to individuals.

    What is most funny is people associate this to Reagan who did cut the tax rate from 70% (can you imagine?) to 28% for the top tax bracket but it originated with none other than John F. Kennedy.


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  16. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    You are pigeon holed working missile systems. I fortunately am not. I already have a job lined up with the Geospatial Intelligence Agency when my separation comes time. And that coming out, first job is at 104K. Your friend either doesnt have the drive to make the money, the knowledge I possess, a combination of all, or the wrong market.

    Adams
    The Robert Half Technology 2007 Salary Guide lists the following annual salary ranges for various computer and information systems manager positions: Chief Technology Officer (CTO), $101,000-$157,750; Chief Security Officer, $97,500-$141,000; Vice President of Information Technology, $107,500-$157,750; Information Technology Manager, Technical Services Manager, $62,500-$88,250
    http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos258.htm

    Good luck Adams.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Kruger View Post
    What is most funny is people associate this to Reagan who did cut the tax rate from 70% (can you imagine?) to 28% for the top tax bracket but it originated with none other than John F. Kennedy.
    What's really funny is that people assume Kennedy would be a Democrat if he ran today. Lets see, big on national security and spreading democracy, lowering taxes....

  18. Quote Originally Posted by bigcuz View Post
    Like I said... already have a job lined up starting at 104K.

    Again... you get what you put in.

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  19. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Explain how I am wrong. Also why immigration is still so high here to the US. Are we not STILL the land of opportunity? I gained a skillset that can put me in that "Wealthy" 250K+ category when I separate. I came up from a very poor background. Where is it that I do not gain what I put in?

    Adams
    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Like I said... already have a job lined up starting at 104K.

    Again... you get what you put in.

    Adams
    Another sad case of Joe the Plumber economics.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by bigcuz View Post
    Another sad case of Joe the Plumber economics.
    Ah yes... I may have misspoke.. I meant that I can attain 250K easily in my field... didn't mean to say directly after separation.

    Way to nit pick the small things my friend.

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  21. Quote Originally Posted by bigcuz View Post
    Another sad case of Joe the Plumber economics.
    You, and every other liberal has shut your brain off to the plight to small business that Joe the Plumber brought up. If you don't try to understand the difficulties a small businessman with tight margins feels, you will not.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by raginfcktard View Post
    and you think the dems are not paying to make sure Obama and his racist ass wife look pretty when they go somewhereor on tv...give me a break. at least palin is hot...my on ly complaint is they didn'y buy more reveling clothing
    I would like to know where your assumption that Michelle Obama is racist comes from.

    :bruce3:

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Fastone View Post
    I would like to know where your assumption that Michelle Obama is racist comes from.

    :bruce3:
    October Surprise - Michelle Obama Racist Rant! by Scooter Van Neuter — october surprise, michelle obama, phone tape | Gather

    This is just one article I found in a google. I also saw a youtube video and several other articles. Apparently she likes using the word "whitey" with a negative connotation.

    I also read something about the Republican party having a tape of a sermon she gave at Rev. Wright's church with several phrases denouncing "whitey".

    I haven't looked much into this. I find it interesting, but I think Barry has just as many questionable ties as Michelle. I wish they'd get examined more thoroughly by a major news network.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by strategicmove View Post
    Simply gross, distasteful, and jammed with convoluted prejudice! The article on Palin was devoid of any racial undertones. It is mysterious how you ended up with this position!
    she is in unlimited supply of race cards and its borderlined disgusting! she has been spouting 'racial undertones' since early '07. i am far from prejudice or raciest, just my observation and that of millions more.

    i think she is and crazier than hillary to boot. i just hope she doesn't cause her husband the election...which many dems have said they will not vote for him due to his wife.

  25. This is just one article I found in a google. I also saw a youtube video and several other articles. Apparently she likes using the word "whitey" with a negative connotation.

    I also read something about the Republican party having a tape of a sermon she gave at Rev. Wright's church with several phrases denouncing "whitey".

    I haven't looked much into this. I find it interesting, but I think Barry has just as many questionable ties as Michelle. I wish they'd get examined more thoroughly by a major news network.
    don't forget her college thesis that is conveniently being underwraps until Nov. 05, 2008
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