Barack Huessin Obama's terrorist friends?

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  1. I heard today that Sen Obama has watched and enjoyed cartoons with Mickey Mouse in them. It is a known fact fact that Mickey Mouse was connected to a nefarious character named Walter Disney who was known to secretly have admired Adolf Hitler Yet another terrorist friend. We should without delay get the laterns and go after him, this is unacceptable.


    :bruce3:


  2. they are all crooks, lets just face that fact
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  3. I don't know that I would say crooks but the fact is that politics is a sleazy game, Always has been and always will be. We the public are the pawns in the game, that also will never change.

    :bruce3:

  4. Quote Originally Posted by RobInKuwait View Post
    I don't care who the previous president was, electing a collectivist is not the answer.
    What is the answer?

  5. Quote Originally Posted by b unit View Post
    What is the answer?
    Cut taxes and have government get out of the way.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by RobInKuwait View Post
    Cut taxes and have government get out of the way.

    Rob, contrary to what you might think, the government has never been out of the way. btw, how much have your taxes been cut in the last 8 years.

    :bruce3:

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Fastone View Post
    Rob, contrary to what you might think, the government has never been out of the way. btw, how much have your taxes been cut in the last 8 years.

    :bruce3:
    Bush's tax cuts averaged about $2300 in cuts for those making 40-90k per year.

    He also approved the first stimulus package which is IMO was retarded.
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by Fastone View Post
    Rob, contrary to what you might think, the government has never been out of the way.

    And you can thank them for the financial crisis we have today.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by RobInKuwait View Post
    By that logic, just because Hitler didn't work out well for Germany, I guess they should have voted in Stalin.
    Do you even realize that Stalin was in russia, while hitler was in Germany?

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Omen View Post
    You're comparing terrorism, killing LEOs, Bombing structures to weaken the American government and cause it's collapse (their goal) to someone who had a DUI ? OMFG are you serious man? wow.........

    If ANY presidential candidate had a friend who was a member in AL Qaeda but is now not a terrorist, been 10-20 years since he last killed an American, it's fine right?

    Only in California.....

    You're equating serving on a charity board to being friends with someone?

    Is every setting the bar from Cheers in your mind?

    Do you seriously walk into restaurants and supermarkets and assume that all of the employees are pals?

    Do you think all of the volunteers at the local boys and girls clubs are buddies and chums?

    What a ridiculous, half-baked notion.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Kruger View Post
    He also approved the first stimulus package which is IMO was retarded.



    The only thing that makes money valuable is its scarcity. So if you give everyone the same amount, it's like you did nothing at all.

    Increasing the money supply does nothing but increase the national debt. Every dollar is printed with interest attatched to it.
    Printing more money does not mean more wealth. The new money has to borrow value from the existing currency. So you dont end up with more wealth, you just get inflation. .....and minimum wage doesnt come up fast enough to keep up with this tactic the crooks at the federal reserve pull on the poor. One ounce of Gold is worth around $900 now, which is the only good way to measure inflation. If you've owned gold for a while, nows your chance to triple your money. But I dont think now would be a great time to go selling off gold lol


    all the stimulus package likely did was give apple record Ipod sales (rolls eyes)

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Urban Monk View Post
    Do you even realize that Stalin was in russia, while hitler was in Germany?

    Umm...it was a statement about going from extreme to another....
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by RobInKuwait View Post
    Cut taxes and have government get out of the way.
    Thats Borderline Socialism Rob.


    To some people, that comment just made you Karl Marx's pal.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by whiskers View Post



    The only thing that makes money valuable is its scarcity. So if you give everyone the same amount, it's like you did nothing at all.

    Increasing the money supply does nothing but increase the national debt. Every dollar is printed with interest attatched to it.
    Printing more money does not mean more wealth. The new money has to borrow value from the existing currency. So you dont end up with more wealth, you just get inflation. .....and minimum wage doesnt come up fast enough to keep up with this tactic the crooks at the federal reserve pull on the poor. One ounce of Gold is worth around $900 now, which is the only good way to measure inflation. If you've owned gold for a while, nows your chance to triple your money. But I dont think now would be a great time to go selling off gold lol


    all the stimulus package likely did was give apple record Ipod sales (rolls eyes)

    The flight to safety was mainly oil and gold as a backup.

    Pelosi and Congress want anther package. When Obama gets elected, you are going to get another one.
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by mmorpheuss View Post
    Thats Borderline Socialism Rob.
    ????

  16. Quote Originally Posted by whiskers View Post
    ????

    Socialism is the extreme version of getting the government "out of the way"

  17. Quote Originally Posted by mmorpheuss View Post
    Socialism is the extreme version of getting the government "out of the way"

    Talk about a complete twisting and distorting of words.

    Wow.

    Rob a socialist. Now THATS funny.
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by Kruger View Post
    Talk about a complete twisting and distorting of words.

    Wow.

    Rob a socialist. Now THATS funny.

    I said borderline.

    He's the one that wanted the government to "get out of the way". That, is borderline Socialism.

    The problem is people want to bandy about terms but take little time to actually think long term about outcomes,consequences, or feasibility.

    So many people throw socialism around like they've actually ever seen it. It's never been practiced, and the last thing one would see is Russia or China. Just because they happened to put shoes in the oven and call them biscuits, doesn't make it so.

    Technically, a true democracy, with "mutual coercion, mutually agreed upon"(- Garret Hardin) would support and foster socialism far moreso than anything else that's tried to lay claim to it.

    Unfortunately people want to confuse socialism- the economic theory -with the communist governments that have claimed it despite having command economies.

    I repeat.

    Socialism is an economic theory. Not a form of government. It was never intended to be tied to dictatorships and communist governments.

    There wasn't supposed to be a government at all. Only We the People. Sound familiar?
    Folks really need to stop trying to scare little children with that word by misconstruing it to mean something it really doesn't.

  19. How can a modern day government govern while keeping out of the way?

    Do you have any examples of a government that gets out of the way?

    Some definitions of government:

    - The act of governing; the exercise of authority; the administration of laws; control; direction; regulation

    - The mode of governing; the system of polity in a state; the established form of law.

    - The right or power of governing; authority.

    - The person or persons authorized to administer the laws; the ruling power; the administration.

    The ideals of government were meant for the people and to serve the people but is that happening in reality?

    Give me a government that stays out of the way and i'm there.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by mmorpheuss View Post
    I said borderline.

    He's the one that wanted the government to "get out of the way". That, is borderline Socialism.
    You can try and justify it all you want, but it would take 5 minutes of his posts to know what he's talking about before saying he's borderline socialist.


    Its just funny and sad at the same time. Its not even borderline
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by b unit View Post
    How can a modern day government govern while keeping out of the way?

    Do you have any examples of a government that gets out of the way?

    Some definitions of government:

    - The act of governing; the exercise of authority; the administration of laws; control; direction; regulation

    - The mode of governing; the system of polity in a state; the established form of law.

    - The right or power of governing; authority.

    - The person or persons authorized to administer the laws; the ruling power; the administration.

    The ideals of government were meant for the people and to serve the people but is that happening in reality?

    Give me a government that stays out of the way and i'm there.
    Here is one example.

    Stop creating and/or amending laws that force banks to lend to lower income people or people with bad credit in the effort to prop them up or be "more fair".

    If they didn't do that, you wouldn't have the economic crisis we have nor the environment in which it gets exploited.
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by Kruger View Post
    Here is one example.

    Stop creating and/or amending laws that force banks to lend to lower income people or people with bad credit in the effort to prop them up or be "more fair".

    If they didn't do that, you wouldn't have the economic crisis we have nor the environment in which it gets exploited.
    Poor people cause the collapse of the worlds economies.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Turd View Post
    Poor people cause the collapse of the worlds economies.




    When all those bad mortgages are bought and sold and pushed from a government run agency, Fannie and Freddie (because they make money flipping that debt to private companies), then yes....bad debt and bad mortgages causes a cancer in the system. It was government run policies to prop up the poor that caused it. It forced banks to lend to these people to maintain their ratings for interbank lending.
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  24. I think he might have been confused Kruger (sorry I was ready to call you JP, and the rest ofthe Seinfeld cast).

    It is not the people that caused it, you are right it was the government and its agencies. I liken it to this analogy "give a gun to a chimp and the chimp shoots someone, you dont blame the chimp"

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Kruger View Post
    This shows just how clueless you are on the current situation.


    When all those bad mortgages are bought and sold and pushed from a government run agency, Fannie and Freddie (because they make money flipping that debt to private companies), then yes....bad debt and bad mortgages causes a cancer in the system. It was government run policies to prop up the poor that caused it. IT forced banks to lend to these people to maintain their ratings for interbank lending. Do you need a picture with crayons?
    who benefitted the most $$$ from this government initiative?

    certainly not the poor, they are worst off now than ever before.

    IMHO the ideals of govt are to serve the people however in reality they serve first the big businesses that "contributed" the most to their campaign funds for office, so who benefitted the most from the government initiative to give poor people an "opportunity" to own their own home.

    also the poor IMHO fell over from the increased high interest rates, who raised the rates and why?

    the economic crisis is affecting a lot of europe, the uk and most of the western world not just the USA, too much credit, banks were handing out credit cards like candy, finance institutions were giving money away to anyone who could sign a form, it all comes down to greed IMHO, people want big screen tv's, big cars, big houses, fancy clothes, how is a good majority paid for it? CREDIT.

    this is just my humble opinion and just my take on things, govt, banks, big business and a good majority of the population have contributed to the crisis in some way or another.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by b unit View Post
    who benefitted the most $$$ from this government initiative?

    certainly not the poor, they are worst off now than ever before.

    They did in the beginning. Making 50k but being able to get a mortgage for 300k+ homes? You think its rich people defaulting on their mortgages? You find homes now abandoned and the people just left. Why? They had bad credit to begin with..what do they care if they default on the loan. Come on down to SWFL...you can see neighborhoods abandoned with spec houses everywhere.


    Contrary to popular belief, the poor are not worse off. They are still poor but are getting help for the government to stay in that house. Guess from who....those who pay taxes.

    IMHO the ideals of govt are to serve the people however in reality they serve first the big businesses that "contributed" the most to their campaign funds for office, so who benefitted the most from the government initiative to give poor people an "opportunity" to own their own home.
    Fannie and Freddie are government run entities. If you asked every banker in 1995 if he wanted to give out these loans, the answer would be no. The majority of banks that failed are investment banks that bought pools of these mortgages from Fannie and Freddie and vice/versa...why? They could borrow with little collateral, buy mortgage pools, flip them to someone else for more money...other banks..other countries banks...other countries sovereign funds, etc.... Were they told to stop? Hell no....they were told to do more from your government.

    That was started in 95 (first investment Bank was Bear Sterns in 97) and spread in the next 8 years.

    When the bubble started to take off, everyone invested in real estate. Peoples houses appreciated by 2 or 3x...Those people took out home equity to tap it. People bought land like crazy. I flipped lots for over year and never looked at one...I bought them looking at statellite views and knowing where they were. I bought them one minute and sold them in 10 minutes for 30-40% profit. It was crazy how much money was being funneled into real estate all based on the perception that prices would keep going higher. Now, the market crashes...people start defualting on loans...property values start to fall...people owe more on their house than its worth. They can't sell..they can't move....you have gridlock.....all because the government was backing all these loans and propping up prices.

    When government intervenes, Wall Street and investors lick their chops because they know they are smarter than the people making the rules. They get in, make their money, they get out.

    also the poor IMHO fell over from the increased high interest rates, who raised the rates and why?
    ARM's readjust. You know that when you sit down and sign. Subprime loans...NODOC loans, NIV loans, etc...were created by our government.



    the economic crisis is affecting a lot of europe, the uk and most of the western world not just the USA, too much credit, banks were handing out credit cards like candy, finance institutions were giving money away to anyone who could sign a form, it all comes down to greed IMHO, people want big screen tv's, big cars, big houses, fancy clothes, how is a good majority paid for it? CREDIT.
    Which was enabled by what? THe lowering of the amount of collateral these banks needed to lend money. College campus's weren't flooded with credit card companies handing out cards like candy until when...the 90's. Why? Easy credit.


    this is just my humble opinion and just my take on things, govt, banks, big business and a good majority of the population have contributed to the crisis in some way or another.

    You want to kill business and keep this bubble/burst scenario in play? Have the government keep backing mortgages, banks, business.....if there is no risk to the downside, why would you and everyone else not invest in them? By the time these defaults start effecting something, the ones who made a killing are out anyway. They don't care. They made their money. Funnel money, create a another bubble, cash out, move on. Thats what the market will do. Tech bubble, housing bubble, commodity bubble...its one after another.
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  27. That is true but i don't say kill big business, i say they have some of them have to be held accountable just as those who took what they couldn't afford.

    basically my take on it is GREED has caused it, GREED from all concerned, and yes, it's the people who take responsibility for their finances that are left to get screwed in the ass once again.

  28. Holy crap.

    I write to have government cut taxes and get out of the way,
    Don't check the computer for a day,
    I come back to find me getting accused of being a SOCIALIST?!?

    Dude. Morpheus. What are you talking about?

    Government staying out of the economy as much as possible is called Capitalism.

    Socialism's central belief is of government managing the economy.

    Wow.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by b unit View Post
    That is true but i don't say kill big business, i say they have some of them have to be held accountable just as those who took what they couldn't afford.

    basically my take on it is GREED has caused it, GREED from all concerned, and yes, it's the people who take responsibility for their finances that are left to get screwed in the ass once again.
    I understand what you're saying B, but the fact of the matter is, banks have been around for hundreds of years NOT giving out bad loans to unqualified people. Believe it or not they've been greedy the whole time....thats how capitalism works. Government getting involved in the loan market through Fannie and Freddie fundamentally changed the attitude in the business world.

    Look at it this way, if you were a bank, could give out as many bad loans as you want, making a profit for each one, then turn around and sell each loan to the government and taking no risk on the risky loans......wouldn't you?

  30. Quote Originally Posted by Fastone View Post
    Rob, contrary to what you might think, the government has never been out of the way. btw, how much have your taxes been cut in the last 8 years.

    :bruce3:
    Government has never stayed out of the economy? I agree to an extent, however, virtually every economic intervention that the American government has ever attempted has had negative unintended consequences to the economy.

    As for the taxes, I don't know, but they haven't been cut enough.
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