VP Debate Predictions: Lock em up!

[RobInKuwait]

I'm posting this so I can say I told you so when Palin smokes Biden on Thursday.

:dance:

 

[Rugger]

they will both make fools of themselves.

 

[slow-mun]

they will both make fools of themselves.

I tend to agree with this.

 

[AE14]

they will both make fools of themselves.

I agree with you. However I think Biden does slightly better

 

[Fastone]

The spokesmodel will blow it.

:bruce3:

 

[RobInKuwait]

The spokesmodel will blow it.

:bruce3:

That'd be hot :icon_lol:

 

[Fastone]

That'd be hot :icon_lol:

Hey Rob, we agree on something

:bruce3:

 

[RobInKuwait]

Hey Rob, we agree on something

:bruce3:

True!

I know what I'm TIVOing on Thursday! After that I don't think I'd ever have any problems while in PCT ever again. :cheers:

 

[BodyWizard]

I'm getting together w/ my best buds to watch it live (one's bringing the beer, one's bringing the barbecue - I'm bringing the popcorn)

 

[RobInKuwait]

That climate change question shows Ifill is in the tank. Ifill also keeps giving Biden the last word.

 

[Mulletsoldier]

They trained Palin well!

 

[slow-mun]

Palin destroyed Biden. I can effectively eat crow about agreeing that they would both look foolish.

 

[RobInKuwait]

Palin destroyed Biden. I can effectively eat crow about agreeing that they would both look foolish.

Agreed. She appealed to undecided middle class midwesterners....just the demographic McCain needs to win.

 

[Rugger]

Palin destroyed Biden. I can effectively eat crow about agreeing that they would both look foolish.

Me too. I think Biden was too nice; he needed to be a jackass and make her look bad.

 

[Fastone]

Palin destroyed Biden. I can effectively eat crow about agreeing that they would both look foolish.

I know you're kidding but in fairness I would say she held her own but the expectations for her were low.

:bruce3:

 

[slow-mun]

The media is spinning this out of control. She clearly won and they are trying to make it sound like she did well, but Joe Biden won. Here's a list of inaccuracies in the debate.

Some facts adrift in veep debate

By CALVIN WOODWARD, Associated Press Writer
4 minutes ago



Facts went adrift on taxes, deregulation and more Thursday when Republican Sarah Palin and Democrat Joe Biden clashed in the vice presidential debate.

Some examples:

PALIN: Said of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama: "94 times he voted to increase taxes or not support a tax reduction."

THE FACTS: The dubious count includes repetitive votes as well as votes to cut taxes for the middle class while raising them on the rich. An analysis by factcheck.org found that 23 of the votes were for measures that would have produced no tax increase at all, seven were in favor of measures that would have lowered taxes for many, 11 would have increased taxes on only those making more than $1 million a year.

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BIDEN: Complained about "economic policies of the last eight years" that led to "excessive deregulation."

THE FACTS: Biden voted for 1999 deregulation that liberal groups are blaming for part of the financial crisis today. The law allowed Wall Street investment banks to create the kind of mortgage-related securities at the core of the problem now. The law was widely backed by Republicans as well as by Democratic President Clinton, who argues it has stopped the crisis today from being worse.

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PALIN: "Two years ago, remember, it was John McCain who pushed so hard with the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac reform measures. He sounded that warning bell."

THE FACTS: Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska led an effort in 2005 to tighten regulation on the mortgage underwriters — McCain joined as a co-sponsor a year later. The legislation was never taken up by the full Senate, then under Republican control.

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BIDEN: Warned that Republican presidential candidate John McCain's $5,000 tax credit to help families buy health coverage "will go straight to the insurance company."

THE FACTS: Of course it would, because it's meant to pay for insurance. That's like saying money for a car loan will go straight to the car dealer.

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PALIN: Claimed she has taken on the oil industry as Alaska governor.

THE FACTS: Palin pushed to impose a windfall profits tax on oil companies and distributed the proceeds to the state's citizens to offset rising energy costs. However, she has also sided with the industry on a number of issues. She sued the Interior Department over its designation of polar bears as an endangered species. That puts her on the same side as the American Petroleum Institute, the oil industry's chief trade association. She also supports the industry's desire to drill in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge — a position at odds with McCain.

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BIDEN: Said McCain supports tax breaks for oil companies, and "wants to give them another $4 billion tax cut."

THE FACTS: Biden is repeating a favorite saw of the Obama campaign, and it's misleading. McCain supports a cut in income taxes for all corporations, and doesn't single out any one industry for that benefit.

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PALIN: Said the United States has reduced its troop level in Iraq to a number below where it was when the troop increase began in early 2007.

THE FACTS: Not correct. The Pentagon says there are currently 152,000 U.S. troops in Iraq, about 17,000 more than there were before the 2007 military buildup began.

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BIDEN: "As a matter of fact, John recently wrote an article in a major magazine saying that he wants to do for the health care industry — deregulate it and let the free market move — like he did for the banking industry."

THE FACTS: Biden and Obama have been perpetuating this distortion of what McCain wrote in an article for the American Academy of Actuaries. McCain, laying out his health plan, only referred to deregulation when saying people should be allowed to buy health insurance across state lines. In that context, he wrote: "Opening up the health insurance market to more vigorous nationwide competition, as we have done over the last decade in banking, would provide more choices of innovative products less burdened by the worst excesses of state-based regulation."

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PALIN: Said Alaska is "building a nearly $40 billion natural gas pipeline, which is North America's largest and most expensive infrastructure project ever to flow those sources of energy into hungry markets."

THE FACTS: Not quite. Construction is at least six years away. So far the state has only awarded a license to Trans Canada Corp., that comes with $500 million in seed money in exchange for commitments toward a lengthy and costly process to getting a federal certificate. At an August news conference after the state Legislature approved the license, Palin said, "It's not a done deal."

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PALIN: "Barack Obama even supported increasing taxes as late as last year for those families making only $42,000 a year."

BIDEN: "The charge is absolutely not true. Barack Obama did not vote to raise taxes. The vote she's referring to, John McCain voted the exact same way."

THE FACTS: The vote was on a nonbinding budget resolution that assumed that President Bush's tax cuts would expire, as scheduled, in 2011. If that actually happened, it could mean higher taxes for people making as little as about $42,000. But Obama is proposing tax increases only on the wealthy, and would cut taxes for most others. In the March 14 budget resolution supported by Obama and Biden, McCain actually did not vote.

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[slow-mun]

I know you're kidding but in fairness I would say she held her own but the expectations for her were low.

:bruce3:

I had a low opinion of her as well as Joe Biden. Well, I actually hate Joe Biden, but that's besides the point:lol:. Anyhow, I can't understand why anyone would believe that Joe Biden did well. He is not an effective debater and he clearly out of touch with middle America. He tried to debate John McCain and that was his downfall, b/c that wasn't his opponent in the vice presidential debate.

 

[Fastone]

I had a low opinion of her as well as Joe Biden. Well, I actually hate Joe Biden, but that's besides the point:lol:. Anyhow, I can't understand why anyone would believe that Joe Biden did well. He is not an effective debater and he clearly out of touch with middle America. He tried to debate John McCain and that was his downfall, b/c that wasn't his opponent in the vice presidential debate.

You should move out of Delaware:lol:. In the final analysis it is the policies of John McCain that are the main argument. Btw, John McCain today conceded Mich, WTF is that about

:bruce3:

 

[RobInKuwait]

You should move out of Delaware:lol:. In the final analysis it is the policies of John McCain that are the main argument. Btw, John McCain today conceded Mich, WTF is that about

:bruce3:

I have no idea why Michigan was conceded....seems like a weak move.

 

[Rugger]

Drudge poll has Palin winning 75-25. Drudge may attract more conservative readers however, even though their stories are pretty unbiased.

 

[slow-mun]

You should move out of Delaware:lol:. In the final analysis it is the policies of John McCain that are the main argument. Btw, John McCain today conceded Mich, WTF is that about

:bruce3:

I understand what he was trying to achieve, but I think he did a poor job at doing it. His strategy would have worked had Palin met everyone's low expectations. I have no clue what the strategy in Michigan is. I'm an independent that usually votes for Democrats in the local government elections and Republicans in the state and national level. My girlfriend is a diehard liberal, but that doesn't bother me, b/c I share some of the same opinions on social issues.

 

[Mo250]

Pallin had her moments, but some of her remarks left me cringing.

Biden on the other hand had me wanting to beat him savagely with a typewriter through most of what he said.

I despise both sides, and am now in more of a quandary than ever.

 

[AE14]

Plain did better than I thought, but I agree with the CNN poll that had Biden winning by a large margin. He stayed disciplined and focused on McCain which he needed to do.

Also, McCain pulling out of Michigan was a very weak move IMO

 

[BodyWizard]

Palin destroyed Biden. I can effectively eat crow about agreeing that they would both look foolish.

Perhaps we were watching different debates: Palin didn't embarrass herself or McCain, she didn't break, she didn't cry, she kept plugging, she kept a positive attitude. Good for her.

Biden, however, exceeded expectations in every way. Given the endless advice to him over the last few weeks, I expected him to soft-pedal his way thru the debate, but he did no such thing. He managed to be both brutal and agreeable, blunt and congenial: his mastery of the terrain was unchallenged, he kept his answers brief enough, he did not 'gaffe' noticeably. In short, he managed to pull off an 'elder-statesman' role pretty flawlessly.

To give Palin props, she held up well sharing the spotlight w/ Biden: the most affecting moment of the evening (for me) came *after* the debate concluded, when she & Biden shook hands & exchanged words. I couldn't make out what she said, but her voice & body-language carried a sizable portion of relief, suppressed emotion coming out in her shaky giggles, her posture showing the strain she's been under. The overall impression was of a star-struck teen & the older man she hoped to impress. The honesty of that moment & the pluck she displayed throughout the debate are worthy of note, and may carry her beyond this campaign & perhaps lead to a real future in public service.

As for whether she made a credible case either for herself as VP or for McCain as POTUS, she did not. I take her more seriously now as a person - not as a candidate for national office.

 

[RobInKuwait]

Plain did better than I thought, but I agree with the CNN poll that had Biden winning by a large margin.

Did you say CNN poll or liberal circle jerk? :whip:

 

[Mulletsoldier]

Palin's camp obviously imparted her with a more coherent strategy than did Biden's; while not necessarily as 'naturally intelligent or experienced' than Biden, I thought her camp utilized her skills well: An honest and earthy attitude, and her 'Washington Outsider' status. Point-for-point, I would say Biden won, but Palin won in the eyes of public opinion and demeanor - the most important victory.

 

[Fastone]

I would agree with one of the analyst's observation that Biden came off as a old school politician and Palin came off as herself.

:bruce3:

 

[AE14]

Did you say CNN poll or liberal circle jerk? :whip:

I guess Ed Rollins and the other conservative Castellanos on CNN are really on the Obama payroll :clap2:

THey both said Palin did "well" for her, but did not do enough for the party. Also, they were stunned at her comments about gay marriage as was I.

 

[TruffleShuffle]

I quite like this review by a friend of mine:

"if you like facts, policy and ideas JOE won if you like folksy Homespun chit chat Palin won. So the yanks will have thought Palin won and we might suffer the consequences."