Fact Checking NBC: SNL Palin Incest Skit
- 10-06-2008, 02:09 PM
- 10-06-2008, 04:37 PM
You guys don't know from bad taste unless you watch Family Guy. That being said the show is funny as hell, you find yourself doubled over in laughter as your mind is saying "That ain't right"
10-06-2008, 07:18 PM
Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and by many state constitutions and state and federal laws. Criticism of the government and advocation of unpopular ideas that people may find distasteful or against public policy, such as racism, are generally permitted. There are exceptions to the general protection of speech, however, including the Miller test for obscenity, child pornography laws, and regulation of commercial speech such as advertising. Other limitations on free speech often balance rights to free speech and other rights, such as property rights for authors and inventors (copyright), interests in fair political campaigns (Campaign finance laws), protection from imminent or potential violence against particular persons (restrictions on Hate speech or fighting words), or the use of untruths to harm others (slander). Distinctions are also often made between speech and other acts, such as flag desecration, which may have symbolic significance.
Obviously there are limitations based upon this entry, and therefore Freedom of Speech is NOT absolute. You may disagree with the interpretation of the Supreme Court, but they are the final say in the interpretation of the first amendment. They have said in several rulings that there are limits on free speech, just as there are limits in the right to bear arms.
As for the issue over whether or not NBC should apologize, I think this is an agree to disagree issue.
10-13-2008, 03:38 AM
The First Amendment was ratified on December 15, 1791. The Amendment states:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Sounds pretty damn clear to me.
10-13-2008, 10:21 AM
Take a step back. Read my posts. I never said I thought this should be a legal issue. NEVER. Read my posts. All the stuff I wrote was in response to you saying:
I'm well aware of the people vs larry flynt decision and what I said had nothing to do with that decision. I said that since NBC claims to be a reputable and unbiased news and entertainment source they should apologize to the Palin family. You disagree obviously, so as I said in the previous post.....we should agree to disagree.
10-13-2008, 01:02 PM
10-13-2008, 01:05 PM
10-13-2008, 01:19 PM
An apology from NBC would not be unprecedented by any stretch. The last link is an apology about a SNL skit.
As for your Larry Flynt parallel. Larry Flynt was a libel suit. I said NBC should apologize for their skit. Apples and oranges.
10-13-2008, 01:53 PM
As was mentioned earlier in the discussion, the skit was clearly not intended as a slight to the Palin family, but as a critique of journalism, as evinced by the headline about the journalist who excelled at exposing stories that have no proof or negative proof. I don't want to be disrespectful of the people in this discussion, but it seemed readily apparent to me that the skit was not an indictment of Todd Palin at all and to interpret it as such seriously misses the point.
Further, as far as the Free Speech discussion goes, it is important to mention the State Action doctrine - our free speech is protected as against actions by Congress, not by private individuals, as with other "fundamental rights." I, as a private citizen, am free to deprive you of your right to free speech. The Constitution was written as a check on the power of the federal gov't against the states, not private citizens or corporations against eachother.
10-13-2008, 04:13 PM
10-13-2008, 04:25 PM
10-14-2008, 05:25 AM
10-14-2008, 09:50 AM
Can you imagine the uproar if they called Barrack Hussein a child molester in a skit? This guy gets apologies for being called by his full name. The double standard is sickening.
As for "getting off on being offended", I don't get offended. This is the first time I can ever recall being offended by anything on TV. I'm offended that they had the audacity to say what they said, knowing how wrong they were. They said it because they knew that nobody in the press would say a negative word about it, because she is a republican VP candidate.
10-14-2008, 10:19 AM
It was just coincidence
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10-14-2008, 04:08 PM
I don't see how you could confuse the two.
10-15-2008, 12:34 AM
They could've said, "Sarah Palin's husband has sex with polar bears."
Thats funny because its in no way believable. Nobody has sex with polar bears.
Tell me to put on a tinfoil hat if you want, but they said that just to put that idea in people's head. Pedophiles are the lowest of the low in society. They're the one group of people that is universally hated by the entire country. This wasn't an off the wall satire, this was calculated attack to push the envelope and associate the Palin's with pedophilia.
Really though, can you honestly tell me there wouldn't be a backlash if they made the same skit, but made Obama the pedophile?
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