Freedom of Assembly? I think not...
- 09-05-2008, 09:12 AM
Freedom of Assembly? I think not...
Quite frankly I'm outraged by all of the facist tactics used to prevent dissent and protesting in general.
They even shutdown Rage Against the Machine who had a legal liscence to play where they were.
"After all, if you don't want the FBI spying on you, or the Police surrounding and then invading your home with rifles and seizing your computers, there's a very simple solution: don't protest the Government. Just sit quietly in your house and mind your own business. That way, the Government will have no reason to monitor what you say and feel the need to intimidate you by invading your home. Anyone who decides to protest -- especially with something as unruly and disrespectful as an unauthorized street march -- gets what they deserve."
Federal government involved in raids on protesters - Glenn Greenwald - Salon.com
- 09-05-2008, 09:25 AM
Avenged Sevenfold said it best in their song 'Critical Acclaim':
All the way from the east to the west
We've got this high society looking down on this very foundation
Constantly reminding us that our actions are the cause of all their problems
Pointing the fingers in every direction
Blaming their own nation for who wins elections
They've never contributed a fukking thing to the country they love to criticize.
AdamsThe Historic PES Legend
- 09-05-2008, 09:42 AM
There's a difference between protecting people, and spying on people and setting them up, just to arrest them for no reason.
If people want to protest, let them. There is a ton of video footage showing how even peaceful protestors are getting arrested for no reason, and at their own homes no less. This is out of control.
09-05-2008, 10:46 AM
09-05-2008, 11:27 AM
09-05-2008, 11:31 AM
09-05-2008, 11:34 AM
Article on what happened:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYjyvkR0bGQ"]YouTube - Amy Goodman Arrested at RNC[/ame]
Video on what happened:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THMVJQUGJLM"]YouTube - Amy Goodman talks about arrest (FSTV)[/ame]
09-05-2008, 11:38 AM
Looks like a publicity stunt.
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09-05-2008, 11:48 AM
09-05-2008, 11:55 AM
Freedom of press does not mean you get to go where you want and directly disobey police order.
PS- I was at the rage concert and the concert they were supposed to have. People were acting retaded and it was the right thing to shut it down.
09-05-2008, 12:21 PM
09-05-2008, 12:34 PM
I can understand people having different opinions on things. But some of you guys are die hard... true believers. I mean, what would you have to see to believe something?
09-05-2008, 12:37 PM
09-05-2008, 12:38 PM
09-05-2008, 01:05 PM
Common practice to do undercover work on possible rioting situations, especially when dealing with government officials.... Nothing new or out of the ordinary. If you're going to protest then don't be an idiot and do things or go places you're told not to do/go. Protests can get ugly and turn bad in a heartbeat if proper precautions and measures aren't taken to prevent them.There's a difference between protecting people, and spying on people and setting them up, just to arrest them for no reason.
09-05-2008, 01:07 PM
09-05-2008, 01:11 PM
09-05-2008, 01:18 PM
09-05-2008, 01:48 PM
Boy your asking for it opening this thread. Did you see the video of the report getting knocked down? Too bad no one mentioned the reporter was wearing a shirt with radical messages supporting the protest. lol...
09-05-2008, 01:49 PM
09-05-2008, 01:49 PM
09-05-2008, 02:29 PM
Maybe you can go from being a loud mouthed closet racist who thinks they know what they're talking about to some real knowledge. WTF have you accomplished, maybe YOU should smoke something and learn the facts and stop spouting things you THINK you know.
There are others on this site who don't agree with Obama and don't wish to see him in the presidency but, they keep their arguments on-board, you might want to try that.
09-05-2008, 03:24 PM
This has nothing to do with supporting a canidate or anyones message. It's the principle of being able to express yourself. From what I've seen, that right is being trampled on.
This also has nothing to do with the police or soldier's or anyone like that. They are just following orders, and I'm sure have good intentions. But I do believe someone higher has an agenda to shut people up, and their message. This is also why these stories get zero coverage other than putting protestors in the same catagory as terrorists. And it goes beyond CNN/FOX NEWS are liberals or conservatives. The networks are controlled by the same corporate media, and they are corporations. Most of these protestors are anti-corporation. (good film about corporations from another perspective: http://www.thecorporation.com/ )
The people in the video are hardly radicals. They are soft spoken and peacefully protest their message. You're trying to marginalize protestors into being radicals.
09-05-2008, 04:24 PM
Sorry but the networks are NOT controlled by the same organization. Neither are all of the newspapers. The two most liberal papers in the country haven't said anything about this, but I suppose they're controlled by the same 'right wing neocons' huh?
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09-05-2008, 04:50 PM
09-05-2008, 05:05 PM
[QUOTE=Rugger;1527114]Oh so I'm a racist because I don't support Obama and I think protesting and rioting is stupid? Whatever you say. I guess all Obama desenters are racist hate mongers. I didn't state any facts either, beyond the Obama smoking crack part, which is true.
1. Do you actually know what crack cocaine is?(go look it up now) 2. Obama was not a youth in Chicago. You're taking something you heard and are now running with it.
I'm not asking you to support Obama but I am asking that the low-brow comments stop.
09-05-2008, 05:35 PM
09-05-2008, 05:44 PM
You've got the angriest tone of any of these posts, yet you're the one calling for more civility. That's interesting.
NSCA - CSCS
09-05-2008, 05:47 PM
By the way, I'm not picking a fight, so I have no interest in arguing back & forth with you.
Just so we're clear, "not a racist"
NSCA - CSCS
09-05-2008, 06:13 PM
Where ever you got that information is wrong Obama's EXACT quote was:
"Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it," wrote Obama about what he would later say were "bad decisions".
That quote is directly from the book that he wrote. Now where you got crack from, I don't know. Smoking crack is a TOTALLY different thing than doing a line or two of cocaine.
You obviously do not know what you are talking about.
There a lot of people who you probably look up to that did a line or 2 of cocaine or smoked a joint during college and don't give me that crap that they are not running for president because a lot of them have and are are sitting in positions of great importance today. As we have found out over the years, [B]NOBODY is perfect. Making the mistake is one thing, correcting the mistake is the important thing.
I consider Cindy McCain to be a woman of class and grace yet she had a major drug problem, should she be stained by that for the rest of her life, NO and your comment about Obama is just wrong.
09-05-2008, 06:17 PM
09-05-2008, 06:17 PM
09-05-2008, 06:21 PM
09-05-2008, 07:03 PM
The point I'm trying to make here is I don't know how old you are or about your life experience. The fact is a lot of people make mistakes when they're young. If you have been able to steer clear of getting drunk or high even once, more power to you however, those mistakes that others have made shouldn't own the rest of their lives and we should not judge those mistakes unless they're still making them.
I have been a mental health and drug counselor and quite a few of the people I worked with including administrators came into that line of work as a result of overcoming problems that they had. Those folks were the most effective in helping others because they knew the pain of addiction and also exactly the effort it would take to beat the addiction. Learning from mistakes sometimes becomes a major character builder for future endeavors.
What you don't like about Obama doesn't bother me in the least, say what you will. That comment just hit me the wrong way.
09-06-2008, 02:45 AM
Looks like a bunch of f*** a$$ civilians that need to disciplined and be taught how to obey orders.
You don't follow an order, you pay, very simple. The people in the video look like a bunch of anarchist idiots, they should all be charged with breach of peace.
No wonder there is so much chaos in society and our country, people can't seem to obey basic commands like they should...... and then they make videos about THEIR inability to follow orders and then they wonder why the police get involved....
Only in America do riots and protests occur almost everyday and the government still doesn't declare Martial Law.
Once it's implemented, crime will be less, streets will be safer, less accidents, etc...etc....
Martial law is basically laws being enforced the way they should be, all the lax laws on immigration, terrorists getting rights in Guantanamo, etc..... is leading to a break of our system which can only be repaired by Martial Law.
09-06-2008, 04:00 AM
i.e., burglary is TOTALLY different from armed robbery.
True, but both are crimes. Oh, but the burglar is a kinder/gentler criminal . . .
I agree that all people make mistakes, but you are nitpicking!
09-06-2008, 11:42 AM
Yeah there is a huge distinction between crack and pot. Think there's a difference between injecting insulin and shooting up heroine? This isn't the Bible where Sin is Sin. There are differences in crime.
And I didn't call you racist but read your post and could read where you could of been making racial toned derogatory statements. Whether it was or not is only something you'd know but the fact that I was able to pick it out pretty easily when another person questioned intent, shows how text can be misread, if not said clearly enough.
09-06-2008, 12:26 PM
Hell, I dont know anyone who has not tried pot in their life, so I do think a huge distinction should be made.
Personally, I think Rugger is just trying to stir up some nonsense for the fun of it. I dont see him sitting around his house twisting his curly mustache with a pointy white hood in the background. He never has struck me that way, although I could see where his comments might strike someone that way.
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