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librarian.net Blog Archive Sarah Palin, VP nominee

From an article in TIME magazine:

[Former Wasilla mayor] Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. “She asked the library how she could go about banning books,” he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. “The librarian was aghast.” The librarian, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn’t be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire her for not giving “full support” to the mayor.
 
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She's also a Nazi.
 
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"The Nazis couldn’t be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Nazis had threatened to fire up the gas ovens for not giving “full support” to the mayor." ;)
 
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Just curious, how many more Palin threads are there on here than Biden threads. That ought to tell you something right there.
 
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Just curious, how many more Palin threads are there on here than Biden threads. That ought to tell you something right there.
that it's amazing that not only people like this exist but they are actually nominated to hold power?
 
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This particular claim against her is the only one that i've seen that seems to have some merit, as her attempt to ban the books is pretty well documented. But she accepted that she couldnt do it, and it ended.
 
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Until she gets a better postion to revisit her belief that certain books should be banned??

Maybe not the case but something to think about when choosing your officials.
 
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Until she gets a better postion to revisit her belief that certain books should be banned??

Maybe not the case but something to think about when choosing your officials.
Yep...this is what it comes down to. People reveal their character through actions.

This particular attempt to act reveals something terrifying....that someone in this day and age believes that they have a right to control what others are able to read, in direct contradiction to the document she has sworn to uphold and the only agreement that a free people have agreed to that prevents another revolution.

Those rights (freedom of the press) are not granted by the government, but are inherent in people. A small step from tyranny, no matter how pretty the face.

What else would she try to do, that has not been revealed?
 
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remember that the quote is

She asked the library how she could go about banning books,” he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them.
So she was attempting to represent her constituency, and like them didn't know that book banning for content is not legal.
 
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remember that the quote is



So she was attempting to represent her constituency, and like them didn't know that book banning for content is not legal.
Wow...if only there were some document that stated something like that that they teach in middle school all the way through high school.

If your post were true, even more reason she has no business running anything remotely politically powerful - ignorance of the core rules of the country.
 
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Truthfully i dont recall when in school they tought about hat.
 
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Some voters wanted to burn heretics and witches at the local book burning bonfire.

Palin inquired as to how she could get them all into one vehicle to lower their carbon footprint prior to it being released into the atmosphere after the burning...


Seriously, you don't just see if you can do something because some voters wanted it. Some things should of been checked into at a level other tan the local library.
 
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They never taught you the Bill of Rights?????
I dont recall them saying the freedom of the press means that books can't be removed from a local library due to content. they dont keep copies of huster and swank in the magazine rack at your library do they? different peoples definitions of obscenity are different.
 
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I dont recall them saying the freedom of the press means that books can't be removed from a local library due to content. they dont keep copies of huster and swank in the magazine rack at your library do they? different peoples definitions of obscenity are different.
Are they BANNED, or just not carried. There are a lot of books that aren't carried in the library for various reasons (budget, etc.) but not ordered to be removed by the powers that be.

This is also well-known history, that have been widely reported such as the cases of Huckleberry Finn and Catcher in the Rye.
 
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Thats old news..thats so 3 days ago :lol:
Yeah, yeah... I'm behind the times. I just had an Alaska first point of view on the situation from local Alaskans. She truly is "sketchier" then she comes across as - but hey what politician isn't? But she really seems to get the "innocent wrap" alot easier then most and it really bothers me, especially when she's rather corrupt in all actuality.

ehh... I thought I'd escape her once I got home, but no, now she's a VP candidate!!!
 
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Are they BANNED, or just not carried. There are a lot of books that aren't carried in the library for various reasons (budget, etc.) but not ordered to be removed by the powers that be.
Why would they not carry them? I'm sure they could get a hell of lot more people in the library if they could.


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Why would they not carry them? I'm sure they could get a hell of lot more people in the library if they could.


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I know I would go...maybe if they made them "Pop-up" magazines.
 
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They never taught you the Bill of Rights?????
Its not that clear of an issue.

The founders intentions for the Bill of Rights was to limit the actions of Congress, not State and Local governments. The actual wording is in fact, "Congress shall not infringe on...."

This was followed in practice for over 100 years before creative forces of the judicial branch extended it to State and Local governments. The founders intended to give the State and Local governments the autonomy to represent the citizens of their localities.
 
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that it's amazing that not only people like this exist but they are actually nominated to hold power?
Like what? You have no idea what you're talking about. You're taking a dump given by a third party source who indiscriminately accused her of banning books because of foul language. Do you know which books she tried to ban? Maybe the were love novels that read "he thrusted his man stick into her body". That sort of language obviously wouldn't be appropriate for an elementary school library. You just don't know so stop acting like you do! MAKES ME SICK!

Furthermore, take note of the person accusing her of these acts. Yes, that's right, the disgruntled former mayor who lost to her. Even further, if she did interject her moral beliefs which stem from her religion, how is that any different from the "correcting or moral standing" that Obama proposes? Is because one is labeled religious and the other not that which makes one okay and not the other.

Lastly, did you read the next few paragraphs of the times article? The part that said if even if she did interject her religiously influenced morals into her policies that she was representing the large and growing population of evangelicals whom probably were largely responsible for her being elected? What democrats always fail to realize is that for some people religion and morality cannot be differentiated. Their morality is their religion and not representing them in government accordingly is discriminatory and unconstitutional. It's seperation of church and state, not the seperation religious morality and political decision making.

Sorry for the rant. I had an annoying night.

~signed,
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PS- many of you have freedom of the press twisted in so many ****ing directions it's amazing.
 
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those people you talk about rugger were probably the kind of people obama was thinking of when he said

So it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion
you know, the sort of people in them flyover states
 

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Like what? You have no idea what you're talking about. You're taking a dump given by a third party source who indiscriminately accused her of banning books because of foul language. Do you know which books she tried to ban? Maybe the were love novels that read "he thrusted his man stick into her body". That sort of language obviously wouldn't be appropriate for an elementary school library. You just don't know so stop acting like you do! MAKES ME SICK!

Furthermore, take note of the person accusing her of these acts. Yes, that's right, the disgruntled former mayor who lost to her. Even further, if she did interject her moral beliefs which stem from her religion, how is that any different from the "correcting or moral standing" that Obama proposes? Is because one is labeled religious and the other not that which makes one okay and not the other.

Lastly, did you read the next few paragraphs of the times article? The part that said if even if she did interject her religiously influenced morals into her policies that she was representing the large and growing population of evangelicals whom probably were largely responsible for her being elected? What democrats always fail to realize is that for some people religion and morality cannot be differentiated. Their morality is their religion and not representing them in government accordingly is discriminatory and unconstitutional. It's seperation of church and state, not the seperation religious morality and political decision making.

Sorry for the rant. I had an annoying night.

~signed,
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PS- many of you have freedom of the press twisted in so many ****ing directions it's amazing.
I gotta ask what library you grew up near that had content of the bolded section? and tell me how much it will cost me to move there:lol:

In all honesty, I work in education and there are no books I have seen in my school library, the library in the town I work in, or my own town that resemble the trash that you make mention of. With that said, she truly has no right to ban books. Besides freedom of the press, it can also be construed as freedom of expression as well
 
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I gotta ask what library you grew up near that had content of the bolded section? and tell me how much it will cost me to move there:lol:

In all honesty, I work in education and there are no books I have seen in my school library, the library in the town I work in, or my own town that resemble the trash that you make mention of. With that said, she truly has no right to ban books. Besides freedom of the press, it can also be construed as freedom of expression as well
I came up with that example because I don't know what other, if any, sort of 'inappropriate language' would be found in a public schools library. With that said, freedom of the press doesn't have anything to do with requiring public school libraries to keep books on file. I would want bomb making books and goosebumps in my school library if that were the case.
 

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I dont disagree, as there are always extremes. However, as we have seen in recent history, many books were considered smut, or questionable or whatever other term you want to use, just b/c it might have contained drug use or some sort of angst.

At the end of the day, it is not for Palin in her position of power to try and ban books. Case closed IMO
 
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I dont disagree, as there are always extremes. However, as we have seen in recent history, many books were considered smut, or questionable or whatever other term you want to use, just b/c it might have contained drug use or some sort of angst.

At the end of the day, it is not for Palin in her position of power to try and ban books. Case closed IMO
But don't you think she should represent the ideals of the majority of her constituents?
 

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But don't you think she should represent the ideals of the majority of her constituents?
not in a situation like this. if she does than it is more about remaining in power than anything else
 
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Why would they not carry them? I'm sure they could get a hell of lot more people in the library if they could.


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Libraries never seem to carry coloring books. I'd probably visit tons more often if they did. I like to color the grass blue and the sky green. It's wild!
 
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not in a situation like this. if she does than it is more about remaining in power than anything else
In a situation like what? I don't understand your second part. Remaining in power? So because she is appealing to the majority that elected her she isn't doing right by them, but instead doing what she has to do to remain in power? That just seems overly cynical to me. Entirely possible, though.
 
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First and foremost I am not inclined to believe this latest story about Palin at this time, only because the media has been throwing everything that they can at this woman for a week now. Anyone who will not acknowledge this fact is blinded by ideology. Even Bill Maher, who is without a doubt a left wing guy, acknowledged on his show that the media adoration of Obama is rediculous and embarrassing. So I will remain a bit skeptical of their latest attack on someone they view as being a valid threat to an Obama presidency.

Everytime I turn on CNN or NBC I hear something about Palin, yet I have to go to a conservative news source to hear anything about Obama's connections with William Aires (who is a former terrorist and leftist radical), or any of his other shady dealings.

Palin is a conservative Republican, and represents herself as a conservative Republican. Obama on the other hand has been discipled by Marxist, he attends a "church" that preaches black superiority and socialism, and married a militant racist (see Michelle Obama's thesis here http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1975035/posts ).

Yet Obama represents himself as being a centrist, what a load of crap! The vast majority of black people support Obama because he is black, however the vast majority of the other people who support Obama do so because they have been conned by the media and public relations experts. My goodness if you aren't a socialist you should be scared $hitless of this man.

So again excuse me for being skeptical of anything the media says about Palin at this point in time.
 
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not in a situation like this. if she does than it is more about remaining in power than anything else
Think about this though, why does any politician do anything? Better yet why would a politician vote or act to prohibit anything?

Why is marijuana illegal?
Why is prostitution illegal?
Why is cocaine illegal?
Why are steroids illegal?
etc.

A very good case can be made that the prohibition of anything that would be considered a "victimless crime" is wrong. Yet, we live under all sorts of prohibitions in this "free" country. Did you ever ask yourself why? Obviously part of the answer lies in financial special interest, another part in political corruption, yet another part of the answer is that politicians are not in the business of angering/offending their constituency (and this is not totally wrong, because in theory our government representatives are supposed to support the values and positions of their constituenies).
 
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it is funny that racism is acceptable when it comes from a black person.
 
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it is funny that racism is acceptable when it comes from a black person.
Don't be rediculous! Black people cannot be racist, because they are not the majority :lol:

As rediculous as it sounds, this is the argument that academia and the left routinely spouts when the subject of black racism comes up.
 
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Don't be rediculous! Black people cannot be racist, because they are not the majority :lol:

As rediculous as it sounds, this is the argument that academia and the left routinely spouts when the subject of black racism comes up.
racism has nothing to do with majority, it is the judgement of others based solely on skin color and can be committed by those of any color.ve
 

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Think about this though, why does any politician do anything? Better yet why would a politician vote or act to prohibit anything?

Why is marijuana illegal?
Why is prostitution illegal?
Why is cocaine illegal?
Why are steroids illegal?
etc.

A very good case can be made that the prohibition of anything that would be considered a "victimless crime" is wrong. Yet, we live under all sorts of prohibitions in this "free" country. Did you ever ask yourself why? Obviously part of the answer lies in financial special interest, another part in political corruption, yet another part of the answer is that politicians are not in the business of angering/offending their constituency (and this is not totally wrong, because in theory our government representatives are supposed to support the values and positions of their constituenies).
so I see we are not disagreeing. :thumbsup:

she is a politician no different than any other, however, book banning goes a bit over the top for me in general
 
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so I see we are not disagreeing. :thumbsup:

she is a politician no different than any other, however, book banning goes a bit over the top for me in general
So Hustler in the public library?
 

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So Hustler in the public library?
I think you miss the point. There is a difference between banning a book and simply not carrying it. It should not be for the government to make that decision. I always thought the right was for less government interference? hmmmmm :think:
 
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racism has nothing to do with majority, it is the judgement of others based solely on skin color and can be committed by those of any color.ve
I agree racism lies within the individual.
 
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so I see we are not disagreeing. :thumbsup:

she is a politician no different than any other, however, book banning goes a bit over the top for me in general
I don't have any opinion on this acusation at the moment, as I stated before I am taking everything that the media says about Palin with a grain of salt at this point.

Concerning book banning in general, I do not agree with it at all. I think that any individual should have the right to own any book that he/she wants, whether it be the Bible or the Anarchist Cookbook.

When it comes to local, public libraries the books in the library should comply with the wishes of the community. I am willing to bet that the libraries in San Francisco have far different book selections than the libraries in the fly over states. Any attempts at having a uniform code of library books would be very dangerous, and decidedly un-American.
 

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Concerning book banning in general, I do not agree with it at all. I think that any individual should have the right to own any book that he/she wants, whether it be the Bible or the Anarchist Cookbook.

When it comes to local, public libraries the books in the library should comply with the wishes of the community. I am willing to bet that the libraries in San Francisco have far different book selections than the libraries in the fly over states. Any attempts at having a uniform code of library books would be very dangerous, and decidedly un-American.
I agree and well said :thumbsup:
 
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I think you miss the point. There is a difference between banning a book and simply not carrying it. It should not be for the government to make that decision. I always thought the right was for less government interference? hmmmmm :think:
Whose decision should it be then? considering that the library is funded by the community and its taxes. "the government" is the representative of the people isn't it?
 
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it is funny that racism is acceptable when it comes from a black person.
Racism should be denounced, regardless of its source!
 
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it is funny that racism is acceptable when it comes from a black person.
How so? I often detect a hostile undercurrent of racial prejudice in your posts.
 
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How so? I often detect a hostile undercurrent of racial prejudice in your posts.
i just hate canadians, thats nationalism not racism ;)

If a white man creates a college fund solely for poor white children, he is a racist. if a black man creates a college fund solely for poor black children, he is a hero to "his community"........

Michelle Obama speaks of needing to do more for the black community. Not needing to do more for poor people, but the black community in particular. Is that not racism?
 
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I don't have any opinion on this acusation at the moment, as I stated before I am taking everything that the media says about Palin with a grain of salt at this point.

Concerning book banning in general, I do not agree with it at all. I think that any individual should have the right to own any book that he/she wants, whether it be the Bible or the Anarchist Cookbook.

When it comes to local, public libraries the books in the library should comply with the wishes of the community. I am willing to bet that the libraries in San Francisco have far different book selections than the libraries in the fly over states. Any attempts at having a uniform code of library books would be very dangerous, and decidedly un-American.
The media never get it right and if and when they do people will have made have fabricated their own truth on the matter.

One version: Here's the story about Palin's book-banning try as mayor | ajc.com

"In December 1996, Emmons told her hometown newspaper, the Frontiersman, that Palin three times asked her — starting before she was sworn in — about possibly removing objectionable books from the library if the need arose.

Emmons told the Frontiersman she flatly refused to consider any kind of censorship. Emmons, now Mary Ellen Baker, is on vacation from her current job in Fairbanks and did not return e-mail or telephone messages left for her Wednesday.

When the matter came up for the second time in October 1996, during a City Council meeting, Anne Kilkenny, a Wasilla housewife who often attends council meetings, was there.

Like many Alaskans, Kilkenny calls the governor by her first name.

“Sarah said to Mary Ellen, ‘What would your response be if I asked you to remove some books from the collection?” Kilkenny said.

“I was shocked. Mary Ellen sat up straight and said something along the line of, ‘The books in the Wasilla Library collection were selected on the basis of national selection criteria for libraries of this size, and I would absolutely resist all efforts to ban books.’"

According to this account of the story it would seems like all Palin did was inquire about removing books (I would imagine prompted by her community). It would seem it is the librarian who is making statements about banning and censorship and flexing her power as 'the librarian' in the matter.
 

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Whose decision should it be then? considering that the library is funded by the community and its taxes. "the government" is the representative of the people isn't it?
my thought would be that the government should stay out of a small communbity issue like this. Hey, lets try the democratic thing and at the library if a certain # of complaints are made, allow the community to vote on it. Also, lets have a little parental responsibility, if you dont want your kid exposed to it, dont let them.

Easy, I am awfully surprised with you, for someone with such a red lean, you love government involvement.
 

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