[strategicmove]

Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier

Hmm, gee whiz: Maybe you could look at other interviews where she explicitly states she hopes race will not be the defining issue in this election. She openly cites disparities - whether they be socioeconomic or otherwise - between the majority and "black communities", but that does not make her racist.

As I said, 'Selective Reception/Perception'.

[RobInKuwait]

Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier

Defining issue to whom?

Exactly. Defining issue to whom? You said race was not mentioned once in her speech, so apparently not her.

Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier

Believe it or not, an incorporeal God-Head of morality does not define racial stereotypes, and then unilaterally transmit those ideals to individual agents.

....not sure where that came from. I asked you if you would rather have race be a defining issue or not. Based upon the debates, press coverage, and national conventions, race is not the defining issue of this election cycle. Yes, Barry is black, but affirmative action and other racial issues are peripheral, if mentioned at all. The war, the economy, taxes, and health care seem to be the hot button issues this cycle.

[Mulletsoldier]

Originally Posted by RobInKuwait

Exactly. Defining issue to whom? You said race was not mentioned once in her speech, so apparently not her.

For brevity's sake, what inspired you to begin this train of thought? Irrespective of the political climate, I made a comment as towards my perception of Easy's racial inclination; I believe you have, and continue to, misconstrue my point.

....not sure where that came from. I asked you if you would rather have race be a defining issue or not. Based upon the debates, press coverage, and national conventions, race is not the defining issue of this election cycle. Yes, Barry is black, but affirmative action and other racial issues are peripheral, if mentioned at all. The war, the economy, taxes, and health care seem to be the hot button issues this cycle.

And? Once again, somewhat confused at your initial impetus for this train of thought.

[EasyEJL]

Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier

Hmm, gee whiz: Maybe you could look at other interviews where she explicitly states she hopes race will not be the defining issue in this election. She openly cites disparities - whether they be socioeconomic or otherwise - between the majority and "black communities", but that does not make her racist.

As I said, 'Selective Reception/Perception'.

Yes, and interviews taken since her husband chose to run are indicative of her true feelings moreso than the 20 years prior? Take a look at her history over time, not the advertising she is now attempting to do.

And calling something a "black community" is racist. A poor community, an inner city community, etc are not racist terms. separating a group based on race is racism.

[Mulletsoldier]

Originally Posted by EasyEJL

Yes, and interviews taken since her husband chose to run are indicative of her true feelings moreso than the 20 years prior? Take a look at her history over time, not the advertising she is now attempting to do.

And calling something a "black community" is racist. A poor community, an inner city community, etc are not racist terms. separating a group based on race is racism.

No, it is not. Once again:

Selective Reception/Perception

Let me define some relevant terms:

Community:

3. A social, religious, occupational, or other group sharing common characteristics or interests and perceived or perceiving itself as distinct in some respect from the larger society within which it exists

Neither is a black community a "thing", as you put it, but rather a collection; in this specific case, a collection of individuals whom identify with a collective set of struggles, normative values or moralities, not necessarily collected within a specific geographic locale. I would postulate that the previous 500 years of suppression and repression of culture would constitute a 'collective identity' - such that defining the 'black community' as distinct from the larger community as a function of that repression is justified.

[RobInKuwait]

Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier

For brevity's sake, what inspired you to begin this train of thought? Irrespective of the political climate, I made a comment as towards my perception of Easy's racial inclination; I believe you have, and continue to, misconstrue my point.



And? Once again, somewhat confused at your initial impetus for this train of thought.

Ok, reread the thread, you're right. I thought this thread was about Sarah Palin....my bad

[strategicmove]

Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier

No, it is not. Once again:

Selective Reception/Perception

Let me define some relevant terms:

Community:



Neither is a black community a "thing", as you put it, but rather a collection; in this specific case, a collection of individuals whom identify with a collective set of struggles, normative values or moralities, not necessarily collected within a specific geographic locale. I would postulate that the previous 500 years of suppression and repression of culture would constitute a 'collective identity' - such that defining the 'black community' as distinct from the larger community as a function of that repression is justified.

Another great post. Reps!

[EasyEJL]

Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier

No, it is not. Once again:

Selective Reception/Perception

Let me define some relevant terms:

Community:



Neither is a black community a "thing", as you put it, but rather a collection; in this specific case, a collection of individuals whom identify with a collective set of struggles, normative values or moralities, not necessarily collected within a specific geographic locale. I would postulate that the previous 500 years of suppression and repression of culture would constitute a 'collective identity' - such that defining the 'black community' as distinct from the larger community as a function of that repression is justified.

But it would be racism if I say "there is more crime per capita in the black community than the us in general" ?

[RobInKuwait]

Originally Posted by EasyEJL

But it would be racism if I say "there is more crime per capita in the black community than the us in general" ?

I share your frustration. While it my not be "racist" to use terms like "black community" and "latino community", it can certainly be divisive.

I'm in law enforcement, and there are organizations such as Black Law Enforcement Officers (LEO), Hispanic LEOs, Female LEOs, and probably several others that other officers basically get paid vacations to attend the conferences. What free conference do I get as a White LEO? Nothing.

It seems like its "cultural awareness" when you mention race in a positive manner, and "racism" when its in a negative manner.

[Reaper329]

Originally Posted by RobInKuwait

What is the difference between banning it and simply not carrying it? Do you think if I went to my local library and ordered a copy of hustler that they would comply?

No. There are community standards that are enforced in public libraries. Since every community is difference, the decision to "ban" a book should be made at the community level.

A public library is paid for by everybody, including me. My money should not be spent of smut for children. Its not a question of "government interference", its a question of spending public money on the community.

figures a cowboy fan

all joking aside, have you finished reading the remainder of my posts? just curious

[RobInKuwait]

Originally Posted by Reaper329

figures a cowboy fan

all joking aside, have you finished reading the remainder of my posts? just curious

Yeah, I wrote that, then later saw that EasyEJL wrote the exact same thing as me....I need to get caught up before I post responses .

[Mulletsoldier]

Originally Posted by RobInKuwait

Ok, reread the thread, you're right. I thought this thread was about Sarah Palin....my bad

It is, but it was side tracked; which does not take away from the fact you completely misinterpreted my post....it's okay, your bad.