McCain's VP Pick - a GILF?

[Usf97j4x4]

So, what are your thoughts? Palin

Very conservative voting record but no stance on immigration.. this concerns me.

 

[AE14]

interesting choice, certainly out of the box, so I applaud McCain for that aspect, but I am not sure if she outwardly helps McCain outside of some female votes

 

[Usf97j4x4]

interesting choice, certainly out of the box, so I applaud McCain for that aspect, but I am not sure if she outwardly helps McCain outside of some female votes

She also has the whole "not an insider" thing going for her.

The thing is... it doesnt matter who gets picked for VP as VP choice has never been shown to make a significant impact on an election.

Honestly, the economy is a huge issue right now (even though we made +3.3% growth last quarter) and I think Romney would have drawn more independants due to his economical prowess

 

[Fastone]

I think it's a very interesting pick and will make this overall campaign quite intriguing.



:bruce3:

 

[AE14]

She also has the whole "not an insider" thing going for her.

The thing is... it doesnt matter who gets picked for VP as VP choice has never been shown to make a significant impact on an election.

Honestly, the economy is a huge issue right now (even though we made +3.3% growth last quarter) and I think Romney would have drawn more independants due to his economical prowess

I agree about the last part. I thought Romney was probably the most "securing" candidate out there, specifially on the economy.

I think VP this time around is more important than in the past, as neither party really wanted either of these 2 cnadidates to represent them at the very beginning of this whole thing.

As an aside, the Obama campaign released an interesting statement regarding the Palin nomination. Something along the lines of
"they have chosen a candidate who only a few years ago was the mayor of a town of 9000 to be a split second from the presidency."

 

[RobInKuwait]

As an aside, the Obama campaign released an interesting statement regarding the Palin nomination. Something along the lines of
"they have chosen a candidate who only a few years ago was the mayor of a town of 9000 to be a split second from the presidency."

Ironic considering that ticket is headed by a guy who was a state senator only a couple years ago. Its a little too late to transition their platform to experience. :trout:

 

[AE14]

Ironic considering that ticket is headed by a guy who was a state senator only a couple years ago. Its a little too late to transition their platform to experience. :trout:

it is certainly an interesting argument to make. Either way, out of the 4 on both tickets, the only one worth a hill of beans IMO is Biden.

 

[Usf97j4x4]

I agree about the last part. I thought Romney was probably the most "securing" candidate out there, specifially on the economy.

I think VP this time around is more important than in the past, as neither party really wanted either of these 2 cnadidates to represent them at the very beginning of this whole thing.

As an aside, the Obama campaign released an interesting statement regarding the Palin nomination. Something along the lines of
"they have chosen a candidate who only a few years ago was the mayor of a town of 9000 to be a split second from the presidency."

Can you believe the audacity of Obama questioning someone's EXPERIENCE? My god... I went to lunch to listen to it on the radio and the more I thought about it the more I think McCain is a genius...

He picked:
a) a true conservative
b) a woman
c) someone VERY removed from washington

I'm willing to bet Obama is wishing he chose Hillary instead of Biden. He threw away the woman card (and her 19,000,000 votes).

This is going to be a VERY interesting election.

I can't wait for the VP debate... Biden the blow-hard and Palin the shark. Good times!


As an aside: I already heard people saying "She has a little autistic baby at home?! she has a family... she CANT be a VP!! its child neglect!" Doesnt Obama have a family too. lol

 

[AE14]

Can you believe the audacity of Obama questioning someone's EXPERIENCE? My god... I went to lunch to listen to it on the radio and the more I thought about it the more I think McCain is a genius...

He picked:
a) a true conservative
b) a woman
c) someone VERY removed from washington

I'm willing to bet Obama is wishing he chose Hillary instead of Biden. He threw away the woman card (and her 19,000,000 votes).

This is going to be a VERY interesting election.

I can't wait for the VP debate... Biden the blow-hard and Palin the shark. Good times!


As an aside: I already heard people saying "She has a little autistic baby at home?! she has a family... she CANT be a VP!! its child neglect!" Doesnt Obama have a family too. lol

I dont think Palin will bring many Hillary supporters considering her stance is 180 degress from Hillary. I VP debates will be interesting, Joe needs to be careful with how he treads. He does not want to seem like a bully, but he has the ability to most likely leave her in a pile. He is a better debater than he is as a speech giver, although he did well on Wednesday.

I agree it is funny the argument about experience. This whole election scenario is hilarious, but it will be historic which makes it even more enjoyable. If I had to bet at this early juncture, I think Obama/Biden will take it, as I see them taking Pa fairly easily (too many registered dems here who will jump on the Obama/Biden bandwagon), and I think they could take Ohio as well.

The stuff about her 4 month old is a bit too weird for me, in terms of the neglect issue. The argument that will be made is Michelle O. will be at home with the girls. If McCain/Palin win, it will certainly change the republican family values issues and gender roles

 

[RobInKuwait]

On the radio they said:

Shes not right wing, shes right schwing!

Can't disagree with that! :thumbsup:

 

[atjnutrition2]

I have to disagree....I think this choice for McCain just won him the election. I think she will hold her own in the Biden debate. I also think this pick just negated quite a bit of the "uniqueness" of the Obama campaign. I'm sure plenty of people on here will disagree with me though.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

I think its a game changer.

 

[AE14]

On the radio they said:

Shes not right wing, shes right schwing!

Can't disagree with that! :thumbsup:

its funny you say that, when I was watching her speech I kept thinking something was wrong, she is pretty attractive

 

[AE14]

I have to disagree....I think this choice for McCain just won him the election. I think she will hold her own in the Biden debate. I also think this pick just negated quite a bit of the "uniqueness" of the Obama campaign. I'm sure plenty of people on here will disagree with me though.

I disagree, I think she will hold her own, but I think that she does not bring enough to the ticket. As I said before, she will not bring enough of those Hillary supporters over, in fact she might alienate them too much, specifically on the pro-life issue.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

I'm sure plenty of people on here will disagree with me though.

Not me. Hockey mom with 5 kids? Slam, f'in dunk.

 

[AE14]

except that she is also under investigation for abuse of her office. It wzas certainly an outside the box pick, and I applaud Mccain for that, but she does not address his weaknesses the way Biden does for Obama

 

[Usf97j4x4]

I dont think Palin will bring many Hillary supporters considering her stance is 180 degress from Hillary. I VP debates will be interesting, Joe needs to be careful with how he treads. He does not want to seem like a bully, but he has the ability to most likely leave her in a pile. He is a better debater than he is as a speech giver, although he did well on Wednesday.

I agree it is funny the argument about experience. This whole election scenario is hilarious, but it will be historic which makes it even more enjoyable. If I had to bet at this early juncture, I think Obama/Biden will take it, as I see them taking Pa fairly easily (too many registered dems here who will jump on the Obama/Biden bandwagon), and I think they could take Ohio as well.

The stuff about her 4 month old is a bit too weird for me, in terms of the neglect issue. The argument that will be made is Michelle O. will be at home with the girls. If McCain/Palin win, it will certainly change the republican family values issues and gender roles

I see your point about Palin not taking Hillary's voters but you've got to realize there are a LOT of ignorant people out there. There are probably hundreds of thousands of women who voted for Hillary simply because she was a she.

On the family issue - Palin's husband is an oil worker (read: Union) so they get some more points for that. I imagine he'll probably stop working to care for the kids though so I hopefully neither side uses that argument as its a moot point.

This is going to be fun.

 

[RobInKuwait]

I disagree, I think she will hold her own, but I think that she does not bring enough to the ticket. As I said before, she will not bring enough of those Hillary supporters over, in fact she might alienate them too much, specifically on the pro-life issue.

I think she brings youth and a cool factor to the ticket. Also, in the debates, if she presents herself well and holds her own against Biden, I think many women who are not in love with the Obama/Biden ticket will jump ship.

 

[AE14]

I see your point about Palin not taking Hillary's voters but you've got to realize there are a LOT of ignorant people out there. There are probably hundreds of thousands of women who voted for Hillary simply because she was a she.

this is very true and very sad, and has to be a concern for the Obama camp. They need Hillary out there campaigning explaining their differences

On the family issue - Palin's husband is an oil worker (read: Union) so they get some more points for that. I imagine he'll probably stop working to care for the kids though so I hopefully neither side uses that argument as its a moot point.

This is going to be fun.

I would like the families to remain out, but I think we both know it will not

 

[Usf97j4x4]

I think its a game changer.

Agree 100%

Many people vote on appearance of the ticket, with no substance behind it.

A woman? wham.


PS, i titled this thread GILF for a reason... lol I guess she is a MILF/GILF.... a bit of a manly mandible though.

Governor i'd like to...

 

[AE14]

MILF works for me

 

[Usf97j4x4]

I would like the families to remain out, but I think we both know it will not

Politics is dirty. I like to get dirty so maybe I will run for something when I get out of law school.

 

[AE14]

this has the chance to not only get dirty but downright filthy. Enjoy that :thumbsup:

 

[Dwight Schrute]

except that she is also under investigation for abuse of her office.

lol..yeah the details on that one would really offend feminists...lol

but she does not address his weaknesses the way Biden does for Obama

Sure she does. She shores up the base because of her conservative record and appeals to the demographic that elected Bush in 2004...soccer moms.


Slam dunk.


What can you criticize about her? She's not experienced? She has more experience than Obama.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

Its funny listening to Dems on TV scrambling trying to come up with some sort of criticism. Oh, she's not experience in foreign policy.

Why don't you highlight even more what your Presidential candidate lacks? :lol:

 

[Usf97j4x4]

Its funny listening to Dems on TV scrambling trying to come up with some sort of criticism. Oh, she's not experience in foreign policy.

Why don't you highlight even more what your Presidential candidate lacks? :lol:

I know, this is wildly entertaining. McCain's VP pick is more qualified than the democratic presidential candidate.

She completely shores the conservative base... the conservative base that feels ABANDONED by the idea of McCain as 'their' candidate. Not to mention McCain has turned against his party numerous times during his campaign, remember what he did to north carolina republican party? My god that pissed me off.

 

[RobInKuwait]

Its funny listening to Dems on TV scrambling trying to come up with some sort of criticism. Oh, she's not experience in foreign policy.

Why don't you highlight even more what your Presidential candidate lacks? :lol:

"Its a political hail mary, and shows what a strong position Obama/Biden is in this election."

cnn.com

 

[Usf97j4x4]

"Its a political hail mary, and shows what a strong position Obama/Biden is in this election."

cnn.com

CNN... i'm not familiar with that one.

Is it the communist news network? :trout:

 

[AE14]

lol..yeah the details on that one would really offend feminists...lol.

not really sure why you are relating this to feminists, however hse has been in office for 18 months and is already under investigation, not a good sign and it will be exploited for certain

Sure she does. She shores up the base because of her conservative record and appeals to the demographic that elected Bush in 2004...soccer moms.


Slam dunk.

only conservative soccer moms. dem soccer moms will realize the stark differences between her and Hillary and will not make the vote. Again, she is a STRONG conservative, she is a creationist, and wants it taught in schools, she is against Roe v. Wade. If certain soccer moms agree then of course they will vote, but her selection really did not do much for the McCain weaknesses, expecially the economy.

What can you criticize about her? She's not experienced? She has more experience than Obama.

I think the critiscm is not necessarily her as it will be McCain, as he has been harping on the Obama lack of experience and rightfully so, then chooses Palin who 19 months ago was a mayor of a small town.

 

[RobInKuwait]

CNN... i'm not familiar with that one.

Is it the communist news network? :trout:

That's the one! McCain may just run away with this one.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

"Its a political hail mary, and shows what a strong position Obama/Biden is in this election."

cnn.com

I know..its just so wrong on so many levels its laughable.

Who is talking about that big speech Obama gave last night?

Nobody.


Owned.

 

[AE14]

"Its a political hail mary, and shows what a strong position Obama/Biden is in this election."

cnn.com

actually cnn is reporting the quote from the Obama camp, it is not their own

I do have to say that CNN is at least more neutraol (if that is possible) in comparison to Fox and MSNBC. Those two are nauseating

 

[RobInKuwait]

I know..its just so wrong on so many levels its laughable.

Who is talking about that big speech Obama gave last night?

Nobody.


Owned.

Their campaign managers must be pulling their hair out after they timed the speech 45 years after King's and having to rewrite all that communist propaganda again and somehow recycle it to make it sound shiny and new.

:nutkick:

 

[Usf97j4x4]

I know..its just so wrong on so many levels its laughable.

Who is talking about that big speech Obama gave last night?

Nobody.


Owned.

Obama's speech wasn't bad... but it was a campaign rally. It SHOULD have been an acceptance speech. He did piss off a lot of his base though, especially his own minority base.

 

[AE14]

Their campaign managers must be pulling their hair out after they timed the speech 45 years after King's and having to rewrite all that communist propaganda again and somehow recycle it to make it sound shiny and new.

:nutkick:

thank you for the best laugh of the day. by the same token, should we assume that McCain's speech will be fascist propaganda?

 

[Usf97j4x4]

Don't get me started on MLK.. lol I don't want to piss anyone off but if you spend some time researching his past its incredible what he was about.

 

[RobInKuwait]

thank you for the best laugh of the day. by the same token, should we assume that McCain's speech will be fascist propaganda?

Let me quote him:

"we are all our brother's and sister's keeper." Aside from the personal irony in his life, brother's keeper has a long history as a communist buzzword.

His entire speech centered around giving the "working class" benefits paid for by the rich. Maybe Socialism is a friendlier word to describe it, but the bottom line its the same Robin Hood economics.

 

[AE14]

Let me quote him:

"we are all our brother's and sister's keeper." Aside from the personal irony in his life, brother's keeper has a long history as a communist buzzword.

His entire speech centered around giving the "working class" benefits paid for by the rich. Maybe Socialism is a friendlier word to describe it, but the bottom line its the same Robin Hood economics.

I know repubs love to throw around communism and socialism, but I think you might be overstating it a tad.

Last night, Obama was trying to add the finishing touches on the party and on his base, as wlel as pin point the flaws in the republicans, which from most pundits he did and did well.

Now, Mccain will have his chance, and his has alot of artillery to shoot with come next week. I am eager to see how he does

 

[futurepilot]

Proletariat struggle aside.......McCain pulled a rabbit out of his ass with this one, its been polled that 30% of democrat women are voting for McCain already, i think this will tip the scales.

Even some male Hillary supporters might jump ship.

 

[Usf97j4x4]

Let me quote him:

"we are all our brother's and sister's keeper." Aside from the personal irony in his life, brother's keeper has a long history as a communist buzzword.

His entire speech centered around giving the "working class" benefits paid for by the rich. Maybe Socialism is a friendlier word to describe it, but the bottom line its the same Robin Hood economics.

Obama's "rich" is something like people with a combined family income of 80k isn't it..? I have the exact number somewhere here but it is very low, basically 2 cops, 2 teachers, etc. There is a reason socialism never worked, and dont say because T.Kennedy wasn't running it :lol:

 

[RobInKuwait]

I know repubs love to throw around communism and socialism, but I think you might be overstating it a tad.

Last night, Obama was trying to add the finishing touches on the party and on his base, as wlel as pin point the flaws in the republicans, which from most pundits he did and did well.

Now, Mccain will have his chance, and his has alot of artillery to shoot with come next week. I am eager to see how he does

I don't think I'm overstating it. That being said, I understand why you would think that and we can leave it at that. I agree that his speech played well to his own supporters and those with democratic leanings, and from that angle I think his speech worked.

What I'm very interested in seeing is the debates. I think Obama can give a good speech if properly prepared, but if he gets outside his prepared responses he gets in trouble has a tendency to say things that are highly quotable, similar to the younger Bush. McCain on the other hand is not as sexy a speaker, but tends to think well on his feet.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

not really sure why you are relating this to feminists, however hse has been in office for 18 months and is already under investigation, not a good sign and it will be exploited for certain

Because the allegations were for death threats against his wife/ex-wife and questions of domestic abuse. An alleged wife beating police officer...generally feminists won't like that.

only conservative soccer moms. dem soccer moms will realize the stark differences between her and Hillary and will not make the vote. Again, she is a STRONG conservative, she is a creationist, and wants it taught in schools, she is against Roe v. Wade. If certain soccer moms agree then of course they will vote, but her selection really did not do much for the McCain weaknesses, expecially the economy.

Soccer moms were bascially moderates, right down the middle. Thats why they are a key demogrpahic because they don't follow party lines. They are not partisan voters.

In fact, more of them are democrats within the midwest and helped a Republican win in 2004.

I think the critiscm is not necessarily her as it will be McCain, as he has been harping on the Obama lack of experience and rightfully so, then chooses Palin who 19 months ago was a mayor of a small town.

Yes, a VP canadiate who has more experience than a Presidential candidate. Its not an arguemtn they will win.

 

[Delta Force]

shes good looking for a politician and all but taking in to account his age I would not want her running the white house with such little experience.

he just threw away his race.... his changes are gone.... he's done.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

shes good looking for a politician and all but taking in to account his age I would not want her running the white house with such little experience.

Obama is a man...oh where you talking about someone else?

 

[Usf97j4x4]

shes good looking for a politician and all but taking in to account his age I would not want her running the white house with such little experience.

he just threw away his race.... his changes are gone.... he's done.

Someones been reading too much CNN/AP

Actually.. you're right, this will be the only election in history where the VP choice influenced the outcome. :lol: oh wait, no.

 

[poacher]

shes good looking for a politician and all but taking in to account his age I would not want her running the white house with such little experience.

he just threw away his race.... his changes are gone.... he's done.

You sir are quite right. The majority of voters needed to see a VP ready to step in as Commander and Chief if McCains health fails.

 

[DBinMD]

Palin’s an excellent choice. Here’s how I see it.
1) McCain’s a little too far to the left to please the right, Palin brings the ticket a little closer to the center of the Republican party.
2) Related to 1) she’s ardently pro-life and shows it. It take’s a lot of courage to raise a Down’s syndrome child. I understand most are aborted now.
3) She’s an extremely popular governor (80% approval).
4) She’s a woman.
5) Her lack of foreign policy experience isn’t as big a deal, at least compared to Obama.

I think she will take most of Hillarie’s female support. There are 3 reasons for this. 1) Obama is really far left, Hillarie’s supporters may have as much in common with McCain as Obama. 2) Two more reasons Hillarie lost is because she’s a woman and not black. I’ll use my wife as an example. She’s a liberal, not extremely, somewhere in the middle. She dislikes Obama almost as much as I do. Whether she votes at all depended on McCain’s choice. Now I think she’s more excited than I am about Palin (she actually cried at the announcement). I think my wife is reasonably representative of Democratic women. Though I don't like Hillarie, even I think she got screwed, I can't imagine what her supporters think.


At the risk of appearing overzealous and assuming no surprise about Palin, McCain is gonna cream Obama.

 

[RobInKuwait]

You sir are quite right. The majority of voters needed to see a VP ready to step in as Commander and Chief if McCains health fails.

A woman who was the governor in the largest state in the country can't handle the job? Just because she's a woman does not mean she can't do the job (I love playing the gender card :trout

 

[Usf97j4x4]

Palin’s an excellent choice. Here’s how I see it.
1) McCain’s a little too far to the left to please the right, Palin brings the ticket a little closer to the center of the Republican party.
2) Related to 1) she’s ardently pro-life and shows it. It take’s a lot of courage to raise a Down’s syndrome child. I understand most are aborted now.
3) She’s an extremely popular governor (80% approval).
4) She’s a woman.
5) Her lack of foreign policy experience isn’t as big a deal, at least compared to Obama.

I think she will take most of Hillarie’s female support. There are 3 reasons for this. 1) Obama is really far left, Hillarie’s supporters may have as much in common with McCain as Obama. 2) Two more reasons Hillarie lost is because she’s a woman and not black. I’ll use my wife as an example. She’s a liberal, not extremely, somewhere in the middle. She dislikes Obama almost as much as I do. Whether she votes at all depended on McCain’s choice. Now I think she’s more excited than I am about Palin (she actually cried at the announcement). I think my wife is reasonably representative of Democratic women. Though I don't like Hillarie, even I think she got screwed, I can't imagine what her supporters think.


At the risk of appearing overzealous and assuming no surprise about Palin, McCain is gonna cream Obama.

Excellent points. I agree with you.

Just think, 19 million pissed off Hillary supporters who really dont like Obama...

 

[Mo250]

Palin is a mixed bag.

Being a mother of 5 and having blue collar leanings do not qualify one to be POTUS. She has virtually no political experience at all--two years experience as governor of an essentially uninhabited state, that's it. This destroys McCain's argument that Obama's lack of political experience makes him unfit to be President, one of the strongest attacks McCain had been making. And her fitness to be POTUS is critical, since if McCain is elected President she would be just one fading heartbeat away from the office herself. She is anti-abortion, whereas the vast majority of American women are pro-choice; she holds diametrically opposed political opinions on most issues as compared to HRC. I don't see the unhappy Hillary supporters jumping ship because of Palin.

But perhaps she's a brilliant orator, something McCain isn't, and Obama is. There must be something other than her age, gender, and party affiliation that persuaded McCain to recruit her as his VP candidate.