Why I Am Not a Liberal

[CryingEmo]

This goes out to you libs
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I don't understand. Lib's don't like when people die? Is that what that means?

[Jayhawkk]

I know what ignorant means and his statements are lacking in understanding.

Statements where a woman who would be happier in the home and married is ignorant since, last I checked, he isn't a woman nor does he cite any long term studies or polls to back up his statement. Since this is simply a statement of personal belief with nothing substantial backing it up; it would be ignorant.

[Jayhawkk]

If I said I believe the world is flat it would be considered an ignorant statement

I believe that, generally speaking, Western Europe provides social and moral models to be avoided, not emulated.

I believe that bilingual education does not work, that for the sake of immigrant children and for the sake of the larger society, immersion in the language of the country, meaning English in America, is mandatory.

I believe that when schools give teenagers condoms, it is understood by most teenagers as tacit approval of their engaging in sexual intercourse.

[EasyEJL]

So you believe that reducing the quality of english speaking children by forcing resources into teaching classes in another language is a good thing? the school has x dollars to spend, and spending them teaching in other languages means less to spend teaching in english. And at what point do you stop? is a school district forceed to hire a teacher that speaks chinese or portugese or welsh or whatever language a child who moves into the district happens to speak? No, the child needs to learn english, just as all prior waves of immigrants have done

[Jayhawkk]

Look at the world over and where jobs and such are headed. Everything is working its way into a global scale. It puts us in a better position by teaching our youth other languages and it also reinforces English. That's double that you're working on vocabulary, spelling and grammar. Not teaching our children a secondary language is a handicap we can't afford.

As far as X amount of money... Up the funding to compensate for this added curriculum. It can be done and it's better than denying the rest of the world is out there and speak more languages than just English.

[Jayhawkk]

I also don't believe adding an additional requirement will reduce our English programs unless we, as a country, allow it to. Seems that many other countries are able to teach English just fine and still maintain their traditional language.

[Dwight Schrute]

As far as X amount of money... Up the funding to compensate for this added curriculum.

When as a nation you can't even teach English correctly, the last thing I want is to be taxed more for a secondary language.

When you have state and city governments openly refusing to enforce federal laws (immigration), I don't want to be taxed more so we can all integrate better with people who shouldn't be there in the first place.

[Jayhawkk]

I know the current system is broken but I don't think saying adding another language in itself is an issue. The issue is with our current system being broken.

[Jayhawkk]

Oh and i'm not speaking about adding the languages to help the immigrants. It's for our citizens.

[Mulletsoldier]

The phrase "I believe" is necessarily non-propositional, and therefore alters the fundamental dynamics of a propositional statement - that is, propositional statements are declarative truthful statements - stating argument 'A' is either true or false - and 'I believe' denotes subjective interpretation; when you say "I believe" before making a propositional statement, you create a logical fallacy: You are stating a 'truth', but hiding behind an interpretative veil to avoid criticism.

The term 'ignorant' can also be applied to learned knowledge - or lack of the pursuit of learned knowledge - relative to a specific field. One could claim that prefacing necessarily propositional statements about the superiority of one idiom over another, without providing relevant information, would denote relative ignorance to the data involved with the opposing idiom.

So, yes, the author may be educated but that does not automatically preclude him from being ignorant.

And before you involve me B, I really don't care about this one.

[Dwight Schrute]

Oh and i'm not speaking about adding the languages to help the immigrants. It's for our citizens.

But that is where the push is right now..to add Spanish at the tax payer expense.

[Dwight Schrute]

The phrase "I believe" is necessarily non-propositional, and therefore alters the fundamental dynamics of a propositional statement - that is, propositional statements are declarative truthful statements - stating argument 'A' is either true or false - and 'I believe' denotes subjective interpretation; when you say "I believe" before making a propositional statement, you create a logical fallacy: You are stating a 'truth', but hiding behind an interpretative veil to avoid criticism.

The term 'ignorant' can also be applied to learned knowledge - or lack of the pursuit of learned knowledge - relative to a specific field. One could claim that prefacing necessarily propositional statements about the superiority of one idiom over another, without providing relevant information, would denote relative ignorance to the data involved with the opposing idiom.

So, yes, the author may be educated but that does not automatically preclude him from being ignorant.

And before you involve me B, I really don't care about this one.

You're wrong.


I haven't read what you posted yet but you must be wrong.


I can't debate this one anyway..my back hurts and I can't sit here any longer..

[Jayhawkk]

I WIN!

Where's my check!

Thanks for backing me up Mullet... I'm not sure what the **** you said but it must of been to come to my aid!

[Mulletsoldier]

I WIN!

Where's my check!

Thanks for backing me up Mullet... I'm not sure what the **** you said but it must of been to come to my aid!

It was. BP was saying none of these statements can be held up to any type of empirical or epistemological criticism because they were prefaced with "I believe"; that is not the case. Obviously by the style and tone of the posts, the author was making what he felt were 'truthful' statements. You cannot make a propositional statement and then hide behind "I believe" due to the possible invalidity of the argument made.

In all honesty, I did not read the post in full, so that possible invalidity may be high or very low. I just thought I'd help you pookie.

[Jayhawkk]

I <3 you

[EasyEJL]

I <3 you

you teabag mullet? i guess you aren't alone

[Mulletsoldier]

you teabag mullet? i guess you aren't alone

Hell no! Since your wife's gender change, her and I have been having the Boston Tea Party regularly!

[bpmartyr]

It was. BP was saying none of these statements can be held up to any type of empirical or epistemological criticism because they were prefaced with "I believe"; that is not the case. Obviously by the style and tone of the posts, the author was making what he felt were 'truthful' statements. You cannot make a propositional statement and then hide behind "I believe" due to the possible invalidity of the argument made.

In all honesty, I did not read the post in full, so that possible invalidity may be high or very low. I just thought I'd help you pookie.

I was not trying to say that at all. I was ribbing another poster for saying "wrong" and nothing more to quantify. Just being my usual arse.

I agree with your post regarding ignorant. I just happen to listen to the the author frequently on his radio program and know his positions come from anything but ignorance. Jay was assuming ignorance where I admit it was indeed at least a possibility, especially if you are unfamiliar with the author.

I was wondering when you were going to astound us with your eloquent erudition on the matter.

[Mulletsoldier]

I was not trying to say that at all. I was ribbing another poster for saying "wrong" and nothing more to quantify. Just being my usual arse.

I agree with your post regarding ignorant. I just happen to listen to the the author frequently on his radio program and know his positions come from anything but ignorance. Jay was assuming ignorance where I admit it was indeed at least a possibility, especially if you are unfamiliar with the author.

I was wondering when you were going to astound us with your eloquent erudition on the matter.

I am fraught with elocutionary principles!

[Jayhawkk]

I am fraught with elocutionary principles!

I had that once and took damn near three weeks to clear up.