16 weeks change - believe it or not

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by justreading View Post
    Superdrol is as strong as any aas out there - dont fool yourself. it is the strongest oral I have ever seen
    Ive never used it, I guess I should have said i used M1T years ago, now that is power, but the sides were unbearable, even with all support supps, I needed some old 4-ad but couldnt find any. Lethargy was a killer.


  2. Superdrol... yumm. Cant make it past like 4 days no matter what. Blood pressure does me out so quick but id love to run it a few weeks :-/
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by tnubs View Post
    Superdrol... yumm. Cant make it past like 4 days no matter what. Blood pressure does me out so quick but id love to run it a few weeks :-/
    well then you wouldnt last 1 day om M1T, i think I made it 13 days once....it fckn sucked.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by justreading View Post
    Superdrol is as strong as any aas out there - dont fool yourself. it is the strongest oral I have ever seen
    Quote Originally Posted by searl12 View Post
    Ive never used it, I guess I should have said i used M1T years ago, now that is power, but the sides were unbearable, even with all support supps, I needed some old 4-ad but couldnt find any. Lethargy was a killer.
    Quote Originally Posted by tnubs View Post
    Superdrol... yumm. Cant make it past like 4 days no matter what. Blood pressure does me out so quick but id love to run it a few weeks :-/
    Quote Originally Posted by searl12 View Post
    well then you wouldnt last 1 day om M1T, i think I made it 13 days once....it fckn sucked.
    I want to run something stronger than Hdrol..but all I hear about is these horrible sides, what to do

  5. Big deal will a few weeks on high blood pressure really kill you? It's not so bad I don't think, you only run short cycles.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by justreading View Post
    Big deal will a few weeks on high blood pressure really kill you? It's not so bad I don't think, you only run short cycles.
    I have Hawthorne Berry to help with the BP, but Im more worried about the lethargy I keep reading...Im pretty sure gyno is not a issue, not sure on Nolva or Torem...

    the only problem is I have A LOT of Furaguno (clone of Furazabol) so I can do a some-what good stack, I was thinking
    Hdrol/Furaguno-6 weeks
    Epi/Furaguno-5 weeks
    Mdrol/Furaguno-3 weeks Mdrol-6 weeks Furaguno

  7. the m1t challenege who has got the balls 10 20 30 40 30 20 10 loll (no1 try this im being sarcastic)

  8. I have enough M1T to do it...if I had some old 4 ad to offset the lethargy I would use it for a month, but never more than 20mg a day.....its simply the lethargy that kills a guy.

  9. this may be a dumb question, but what causes the lethargy?

  10. being shutdown...decresed liver function...I dont know anymore.
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  11. i dont mind it, i actually love the lethargic and backpump sides. im weird but i love this part of a cycle the most. i wish i had my hands on some M1T my friend aint gonna sell his

  12. i belive its also due to high lvls of test/ recovery. i guess its all combined. like seal said. dosent dhea help it i dont know i never bothered with fixing that part like i said i love some of the sides

  13. Quote Originally Posted by jay21 View Post
    i dont mind it, i actually love the lethargic and backpump sides. im weird but i love this part of a cycle the most. i wish i had my hands on some M1T my friend aint gonna sell his
    not being a dck but...serious? you like the insane lethargy?

  14. lethargy is no friend of mine..but Ive seen a guy recommend DHEA for it, but then wouldn't 7 Keto be needed also, well not needed but a good addition?

  15. How did this become a discussion of a now illegal and toxic PH whcih I have never even used haha...

    not mad just funny and odd

  16. wow SD killed me in 7 days. I had massive anxiety attacks and 600 alt.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by searl12 View Post
    not being a dck but...serious? you like the insane lethargy?
    DUDE IM PSYCHO LMAO JK
    YAH i do like the feeling of lethargic very calm sleepy and relaxing. and i loveeee back pumps i never used taurine. i actually look forward to the backpumps during PH cycles

  18. Honestly guys...

    Most PH's are legal because pharma companies decided they were too dangerous or not useful enough to be developed into prescription drugs.

    Real gear is almost always either safer or more effective. The risk/benefit ratio for most PH are not worth it. Either you take MORE health risks to get the effects or you take less and they are much weaker. Personally I would rather take something with decades of research than something that has never been studied long term.

  19. OT is way more expensive the halodrol (ph) yet they are quiet similar but not exact but u are right, dbol can be found cheap......cheap than some creatines

  20. i wish primobolan was cheaper....... and masteron...... i saw some test-E priced very fairly. but ppl seem to always dose the prices high on winstrol/primo/materon/eq around my city-ish

  21. Quote Originally Posted by jay21 View Post
    i wish primobolan was cheaper....... and masteron...... i saw some test-E priced very fairly. but ppl seem to always dose the prices high on winstrol/primo/materon/eq around my city-ish
    You dont need primo or masteron period... masteron is only useful for people who really know their body and notice SMALL changes in hardness and dryness sub 10% bf. Primo is a waste under 500mg for anything under 12 weeks and the same results can be had from eq.

    I dont want to turn this into gear advice, that is not why I made this thread... I will talk diet and supps all you guys want because honestly that is what matters more.

  22. i know your trying to get rid of the PH talk but my first run of SD on day 7 my blood pressure something in my head popped (friend said brain aneurism(sp?)) but anytime i would try to jog(within 15 feet of starting), sex, lift... ANYTHING id have this unbearable pain go up my kneck into my lower brain area i guess. i just cringed and i felt like i was dieing. stopped all physical activity for like a month and got better. worst experience of my life.
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  23. half of me just wants to inject, and the other half is too scared damn needles...

  24. Giving a snap shot, what was your dieting like, basic consistencies?

    Also, I have not seen where you mentioned the amount of bf that you dropped and the amount of LBM that you picked up, or over-all weight?
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  25. ^ bump, also routine (just a basic split)? cardio?

  26. Quote Originally Posted by hardknock View Post
    Giving a snap shot, what was your dieting like, basic consistencies?

    Also, I have not seen where you mentioned the amount of bf that you dropped and the amount of LBM that you picked up, or over-all weight?
    Here is the silly part... Weight in first pics, 196, weight in last pics 199!

    I am currently holding 204-205, I water depleted there.

    First 4-5 weeks I did DC. Added tons of weight, got up to 217. Dropped my oral of choice and began pulling calories back while still doing dc. Dropped down to a solid 213 THEN I GOT SICK.

    For 2 weeks I could not lift or eat or move from bed - dropped down to 206 then I said F' IT!! I had to cut cause being big was not in the cards so I really just cut for 4-5 weeks so 90% of my results happened over these 405 weeks.

    Did 2 weeks of keto, never got into ketosis so I said f it and did ultimate diet 2.0. Shoulder started hurting so I am off of it and doing a traditional split and diet...

    So there is the long story, short tips:

    Cardio was am, never more than 3 times a week Eviscerate helps if you get your carbs low the night before.

    I posted my DNP idea earlier, it really helps and you can be very safe in your dosing.

    I generally diet around 2400-2500 cals, I dieted this time closer to 2600-2700 but an cutting back to my normal 2400 now and taking out cardio.

    I know my thoughts are all over the place but so is my training and diet.

  27. Sometimes so much goes on in my head about training and diet that I forget what I did and why. I focuss so much on my next move that I forget what I did in the recent past

  28. Glad the eviscerate is working well for you.

    You did a good job in 16 weeks. I'm locking diet in and going for contest shape myself. Should be a fun ride, I'm using the T3 and E as well.

  29. do u have a link for the ultimate diet 2.0? google just tried to sell me books
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  30. ^bump
    eviscerate & ultimate diet 2.0...never heard of that combo

    what is your traditional split and only cardio 3 days a week in the a.m., what type of cardio?

    what was your oral of choice? did you do a PCT?

    DNP? can you please refresh my memory
  

  
 

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