16 weeks change - believe it or not

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by justreading View Post
    Even diet and training right you need some muscle memory to do what i did in 14-16 weeks.
    no doubt man, you looked fine even before all of this, lol, You can certainly tell that you had a great base with alot of past training, sucks getting those injuries, I found at 26 they really started acting up, aches, creeks etc.etc.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by justreading View Post
    I always try new diets man - macros and cal combos. It takes a while to learn.
    as I grow and get older, im realizing this every day

  3. When you are taking clen/t3 as well as test ....

    Yes cardio is overrated..
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  4. Question


    Quote Originally Posted by searl12 View Post
    get your diet and training down to a T....then become "ENHANCED" and you can.
    down to a T??

    yes that is what I've been told...I will go back to my old strict diet and workout but I am still having double thoughts on going "enhanced"..have a concern about the side effects...

  5. well its not for everyone, and you can make great gains naturally, as in creatine, protein supplements and food.
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    Quote Originally Posted by searl12 View Post
    well its not for everyone, and you can make great gains naturally, as in creatine, protein supplements and food.
    actually I want to try it that is why I am here maybe I can decide afterwards...I want to try it coz it will be quick like what he did in 16 weeks...and more effective..then from ther I will maintain it.

    me in 16 weeks looked like his BEFORE pix...185 down to 150lbs but still aint dry

    I really cant get that dry "naturally", I need the support.

  7. sometimes the quick way dude isnt the best way, if you dont have the diet and trainging down you will oose everything u gain on cycle.

    good luck though, research unil you cant reaearch anymore, become almost a guru on trainging and diet.
    steroids are the icing on the cake

  8. Yeah thats true...though I am gonna concentrate on diet and training, though the bulging belly and chest fat is my problem...

    after reading for a couple of hours looks like im leaning towards Anavar to help burn the fat with minimal side effects

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Zuplado View Post
    Yeah thats true...though I am gonna concentrate on diet and training, though the bulging belly and chest fat is my problem...

    after reading for a couple of hours looks like im leaning towards Anavar to help burn the fat with minimal side effects
    Anavar...
    http://www.steroid.com/Anavar.php

  10. Var at a decent dose is FAR from sie effect free, just a warning, at a low dose its hard to notice but at a noticable dose its very potent on the prostate and hpta and even mood. Also make sure you know your source, it is very expensive and most are weak, expect to run 60mg ed min.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Zuplado View Post
    actually I want to try it that is why I am here maybe I can decide afterwards...I want to try it coz it will be quick like what he did in 16 weeks...and more effective..then from ther I will maintain it.

    me in 16 weeks looked like his BEFORE pix...185 down to 150lbs but still aint dry

    I really cant get that dry "naturally", I need the support.
    I took diuretics and water cycled, juice wont make you dry either man so if you can't do it with water deprivation and some diuretics naturally then you cant do it on juiice either cause the gear has nothing to do with being dry and if anything makes it harder to get dry.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by justreading View Post
    Var at a decent dose is FAR from sie effect free, just a warning, at a low dose its hard to notice but at a noticable dose its very potent on the prostate and hpta and even mood. Also make sure you know your source, it is very expensive and most are weak, expect to run 60mg ed min.
    Ive read that most are done at 80-120mg ed

  13. Quote Originally Posted by KgTomCat View Post
    Ive read that most are done at 80-120mg ed
    Would not say most.

    There is a lot lot lot of WEAK var out there. Those that run a tru 80-100 rarely make it through the side effects. The HPTA shut down is worse than tren in many cases and the prostate issues are worse than anything else out there at those doses so most who run those doses have weak stuff BUT if they dont then they will most likely get side effects. The only reason to use it is if you have progesterone/prolactin issues and can't run tren.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by justreading View Post
    I took diuretics and water cycled, juice wont make you dry either man so if you can't do it with water deprivation and some diuretics naturally then you cant do it on juiice either cause the gear has nothing to do with being dry and if anything makes it harder to get dry.
    sorry "dry" was the incorrect term...lean and cut i wud say

    here is what I looke like at 150lbs which is still far from your "BEFORE pics especially on chest and belly area..

    ://img.photobucket.com/albums/v406/b12sr20ve/150lbs.jpg

    i was on a strict diet theres with a 6 day workout including boxing

    I actually want to try Anavar to to incorporate on my diet and workout to burn the belly and chest fat which is very difficult for me....

    btw did you get tan?

  15. great results!!

  16. Quote Originally Posted by justreading View Post
    I took diuretics and water cycled, juice wont make you dry either man so if you can't do it with water deprivation and some diuretics naturally then you cant do it on juiice either cause the gear has nothing to do with being dry and if anything makes it harder to get dry.
    wouldnt that depend on what compound your using?

  17. Not at all! With the right ancills you can get very dry. Letro is king.

    I was NOT on just dry compounds here...

  18. Quote Originally Posted by justreading View Post
    Not at all! With the right ancills you can get very dry. Letro is king.

    I was NOT on just dry compounds here...
    aahhh I see , Ive only used these ds,ph orals, there kind of boring to be honest.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Zuplado View Post
    sorry "dry" was the incorrect term...lean and cut i wud say

    here is what I looke like at 150lbs which is still far from your "BEFORE pics especially on chest and belly area..

    ://img.photobucket.com/albums/v406/b12sr20ve/150lbs.jpg

    i was on a strict diet theres with a 6 day workout including boxing

    I actually want to try Anavar to to incorporate on my diet and workout to burn the belly and chest fat which is very difficult for me....

    btw did you get tan?
    Anavar has been shown to burn visceral fat which very few people have under 15% (don't quote that it might be a touch lower). So it will do very little for the sub-q chest and belly fat. At a high enough dose its androgenic properties will cause some fat loss also if you are naturally low in androgens then you might notice those effects as well.

    I did a spray tan right before this just for the shoot, it looked HORRIBLE the next day but I do try to keep some color

  20. Quote Originally Posted by searl12 View Post
    aahhh I see , Ive only used these ds,ph orals, there kind of boring to be honest.
    Superdrol is as strong as any aas out there - dont fool yourself. it is the strongest oral I have ever seen

  21. Quote Originally Posted by justreading View Post
    Superdrol is as strong as any aas out there - dont fool yourself. it is the strongest oral I have ever seen
    Ive never used it, I guess I should have said i used M1T years ago, now that is power, but the sides were unbearable, even with all support supps, I needed some old 4-ad but couldnt find any. Lethargy was a killer.

  22. Superdrol... yumm. Cant make it past like 4 days no matter what. Blood pressure does me out so quick but id love to run it a few weeks :-/
    CELTIC LABS REP

  23. Quote Originally Posted by tnubs View Post
    Superdrol... yumm. Cant make it past like 4 days no matter what. Blood pressure does me out so quick but id love to run it a few weeks :-/
    well then you wouldnt last 1 day om M1T, i think I made it 13 days once....it fckn sucked.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by justreading View Post
    Superdrol is as strong as any aas out there - dont fool yourself. it is the strongest oral I have ever seen
    Quote Originally Posted by searl12 View Post
    Ive never used it, I guess I should have said i used M1T years ago, now that is power, but the sides were unbearable, even with all support supps, I needed some old 4-ad but couldnt find any. Lethargy was a killer.
    Quote Originally Posted by tnubs View Post
    Superdrol... yumm. Cant make it past like 4 days no matter what. Blood pressure does me out so quick but id love to run it a few weeks :-/
    Quote Originally Posted by searl12 View Post
    well then you wouldnt last 1 day om M1T, i think I made it 13 days once....it fckn sucked.
    I want to run something stronger than Hdrol..but all I hear about is these horrible sides, what to do

  25. Big deal will a few weeks on high blood pressure really kill you? It's not so bad I don't think, you only run short cycles.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by justreading View Post
    Big deal will a few weeks on high blood pressure really kill you? It's not so bad I don't think, you only run short cycles.
    I have Hawthorne Berry to help with the BP, but Im more worried about the lethargy I keep reading...Im pretty sure gyno is not a issue, not sure on Nolva or Torem...

    the only problem is I have A LOT of Furaguno (clone of Furazabol) so I can do a some-what good stack, I was thinking
    Hdrol/Furaguno-6 weeks
    Epi/Furaguno-5 weeks
    Mdrol/Furaguno-3 weeks Mdrol-6 weeks Furaguno

  27. the m1t challenege who has got the balls 10 20 30 40 30 20 10 loll (no1 try this im being sarcastic)

  28. I have enough M1T to do it...if I had some old 4 ad to offset the lethargy I would use it for a month, but never more than 20mg a day.....its simply the lethargy that kills a guy.

  29. this may be a dumb question, but what causes the lethargy?

  30. being shutdown...decresed liver function...I dont know anymore.

  31. i dont mind it, i actually love the lethargic and backpump sides. im weird but i love this part of a cycle the most. i wish i had my hands on some M1T my friend aint gonna sell his

  32. i belive its also due to high lvls of test/ recovery. i guess its all combined. like seal said. dosent dhea help it i dont know i never bothered with fixing that part like i said i love some of the sides

  33. Quote Originally Posted by jay21 View Post
    i dont mind it, i actually love the lethargic and backpump sides. im weird but i love this part of a cycle the most. i wish i had my hands on some M1T my friend aint gonna sell his
    not being a dck but...serious? you like the insane lethargy?

  34. lethargy is no friend of mine..but Ive seen a guy recommend DHEA for it, but then wouldn't 7 Keto be needed also, well not needed but a good addition?

  35. How did this become a discussion of a now illegal and toxic PH whcih I have never even used haha...

    not mad just funny and odd

  36. wow SD killed me in 7 days. I had massive anxiety attacks and 600 alt.

  37. Quote Originally Posted by searl12 View Post
    not being a dck but...serious? you like the insane lethargy?
    DUDE IM PSYCHO LMAO JK
    YAH i do like the feeling of lethargic very calm sleepy and relaxing. and i loveeee back pumps i never used taurine. i actually look forward to the backpumps during PH cycles

  38. Honestly guys...

    Most PH's are legal because pharma companies decided they were too dangerous or not useful enough to be developed into prescription drugs.

    Real gear is almost always either safer or more effective. The risk/benefit ratio for most PH are not worth it. Either you take MORE health risks to get the effects or you take less and they are much weaker. Personally I would rather take something with decades of research than something that has never been studied long term.

  39. OT is way more expensive the halodrol (ph) yet they are quiet similar but not exact but u are right, dbol can be found cheap......cheap than some creatines

  40. i wish primobolan was cheaper....... and masteron...... i saw some test-E priced very fairly. but ppl seem to always dose the prices high on winstrol/primo/materon/eq around my city-ish
  

  
 

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