17 days m-1-t...easy on the bf comments

embrace · 02-05-2004, 08:58 AM

Ok here it goes...my first picture submissions ever on one of the fitness boards. These were taken last nite...i'm not exactly feeling as lean as i would like but i think it's a result of all the extra calories i've been eating (i always feel full now) anyways, last time i was pinched i was 152 @ 9.6 % I'm 158 in these pics and this is after 17 days M-1-T. 3 days left and then i want to try to get back down to a comfortable 8%

be gentle

2gcorey · 02-05-2004, 11:01 AM

forget the bf%, eat bro, eat

houseman · 02-05-2004, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 2gcorey

forget the bf%, eat bro, eat

Ditto.

Forget the fork and find a shovel. EAT!

A

NPursuit · 02-05-2004, 03:01 PM

If you cut directly after your cycle you can kiss those gains goodbye.

**size** · 02-05-2004, 03:18 PM

Mate,

If your goal is to get bigger than eat more.
Otherwise, you are pretty lean and if you are happy with your results, great. However, do not jump immediately into cutting.

Also, you appear to have a mild case of gyno. Just be carfeul with future drugs that you use.

embrace · 02-05-2004, 04:19 PM

thanks for the replies so far guys. i wasn't actually thinking of cutting right after my cycle. i'm using nolva and clen for pct but i wasn't planning on cutting right away. i was going to try to maintain the gains and maybe lean out a bit before summer. i'm only trying to gain a few more lbs...maybe get up to 165 or so. i'm going for that men's health look. my ideal look (i think a majority of peoples ideal look for that matter) would be like 'ol boy Socrates on this board...bro's diesel!!!

as far as eating goes...i've tried guys, seriously i have...i've tried to shovel tons of food into my body but i feel so sick afterwards i feel like i'm going to pop....i dont think i have the dietary discipline to force myself to eat as much as some of you do. right now i'm at ~2600-2800/day and my gut is full all day

as far as the mild case of gyno...i thought thats what it looked like. i'va had that left over since my fat days as a post high school junk food eater. not to mention i felt the urge to pierce my left nipple at age 19 for god knows what reason and i think it kinda ****ed up the shape of the tissue underneath the skin. do you think maybe yohimburn might help out some???

once again thanks for the replies guys

houseman · 02-05-2004, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by embrace

thanks for the replies so far guys. i wasn't actually thinking of cutting right after my cycle. i'm using nolva and clen for pct but i wasn't planning on cutting right away. i was going to try to maintain the gains and maybe lean out a bit before summer. i'm only trying to gain a few more lbs...maybe get up to 165 or so. i'm going for that men's health look. my ideal look (i think a majority of peoples ideal look for that matter) would be like 'ol boy Socrates on this board...bro's diesel!!!

as far as eating goes...i've tried guys, seriously i have...i've tried to shovel tons of food into my body but i feel so sick afterwards i feel like i'm going to pop....i dont think i have the dietary discipline to force myself to eat as much as some of you do. right now i'm at ~2600-2800/day and my gut is full all day

as far as the mild case of gyno...i thought thats what it looked like. i'va had that left over since my fat days as a post high school junk food eater. not to mention i felt the urge to pierce my left nipple at age 19 for god knows what reason and i think it kinda ****ed up the shape of the tissue underneath the skin. do you think maybe yohimburn might help out some???

once again thanks for the replies guys

Anyone who claims they can cleanly "bulk" is lying. I don't buy it.

Start adding some non "clean" bulking foods to your diet. It's ok to do a Mickie D's and some Buger Fat (King) throughout the week.

However, if you are happy with your look then that's cool! Just do what's best for you. Never question whether or not you can get bigger though. You can and you do have the ability - you just need to will yourself to do it.

Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight.

Peace.

A

westniles · 02-05-2004, 06:22 PM

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Anyone who claims they can cleanly "bulk" is lying. I don't buy it.

It is very possible to bulk "cleanly". If you know your maintainance calories, then just add anywhere from 300-1000 over them. You can easily get those calories from "clean" foods such as meats, low G.I. carbs, and good fats. This does not mean that you will surely have NO fat gain, but it will be much less than if you are undisciplined and eat Mikie D's and junk. Just keep the simple sugars/carbs focused around your workout.

houseman · 02-05-2004, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by westniles

It is very possible to bulk "cleanly". If you know your maintainance calories, then just add anywhere from 300-1000 over them. You can easily get those calories from "clean" foods such as meats, low G.I. carbs, and good fats. This does not mean that you will surely have NO fat gain, but it will be much less than if you are undisciplined and eat Mikie D's and junk. Just keep the simple sugars/carbs focused around your workout.

LOL. I know what you are saying. What I am saying is that it is very hard (fulllll stomach, bloated feetling, etc) to eat 3500+ cals/day cleanly.

It is possible, I know, but it's very damn difficult.

A

hamper19 · 02-06-2004, 09:50 AM

get some flax oil dude and have a few tablespoons throughout the day..that will get you some added cals without the bloat

also how often are you eating?....for you id say eat LESS often, like 3 times a day but hit the cals hard for those three meals.

you don't need to "cut" IMO, if you fill out you will agree with me..

I don't think you have gyno either, probably just some fatty nips..there is a difference, i have similar to what you have, until i fill out and what not..i just happen to store my fat there.

if its not hard, its not gyno plain and simple..

also, make eggs your best friend dude..whole eggs....they are easy on the stomach..digest quickly, have nice amnts of protien and you can eat a bunch without being full.

ex. 5 egg omlett (3 yolks removed in my case,I tend to be fat), with some lo-fat cheese (1pc) and ham, half of an MRP for a drink....its a great bulking breakfast..for me anyway..

h19

embrace · 02-06-2004, 10:07 AM

hamper...i was just thinking this morning about picking up some flax oil when i saw it at GNC ( i needed to pick up some taurine to go along with my clen)

it's a relief to hear some positive input on the gyno situation. i kinda always knew i had that fatty tit but i was kinda hoping no one else would notice

maybe i'll try some yohimburn....

i eat eight times a day as follows

6am Protein shake (SAN Infusion)

7:30 am Protein bar with 1 cup oats, sf syrup or jelly

10am 6 oz ground beef, 2 slices whole grain bread

11am workout

12:15 pm P/W shake 75 g protein, 25 g malto/25 dextrose, 1 whole banana

2pm 7-8 oz steak, chopped lean steak or other animal protein, 2 more slices whole grain bread or sweet potatoe

4pm some natty pb or peanuts

615 pm 8 oz burger with slice of cheese,

900pm SAN Infusion/natty pb or other nuts

930 sleep
supplements, ALA, multivitamin

Thanks for the input bro

embrace · 02-06-2004, 10:49 AM

BTW guys, I have been training hard for a couple of years to get to where I am right now. Just for sake of comparison, i have attached a photo taken this past july when my wife and i honeymooned in Ibiza. (I thought it was quite humerous to see some american cultural things like bugs bunny filter out to europe)...anyways, i digress. I was 144 in this photo so being 158 right now is leaps and bounds from where i was 6 months ago.

hamper19 · 02-06-2004, 10:57 AM

another thing..don't buy anything at GNC...their stuff is way overpriced IMO, even if it is a coporate branch and not a privately owned franchise..

get some flax oil..make sure it is cold distiller pressed...and in a dark bottle.

keep it in the fridge

also, if anyone else wants to share their input on my opinion of cutting back the frequency of the meals that would be appreciated

I think the more frequent meals are better for when you are trying to keep your metablosim constantly going (for fat burning/cutting).

For bulking, I would suggest cutting down the # of meals, you are on 8 now, cut it down to 4 (800 cals each or something not hard with flax etc.). Get a good MRP for breakfast, I like Prolab Lean mass matrix.

I don't see holding fat to be a problem for you..i mean all of us have those areas (for you and I, unfortunately it is our nips..and for me its my love handles)..its actually funny..I can see abs in the front, but i have love handles and it makes me look like grimmace from the old skool Mc Donalds ..lol

anyway...I think it would be worth your while to try some topical stuff for the nips..I don't think i would go with yohimburn, I was not happy with that..maybe try something from 1fasts site..

like I said though, fill out and you will be happy..the nips might still be a little fatty after, but they won't have that point that pisses you off when you wear certain shirts (been there) lol

h19

HauseKat · 02-28-2004, 10:53 PM

Great Advice!!! i have same prob. ^ ^

**wojo** · 02-28-2004, 11:06 PM

maybe some of wardogs/sheesh's wwhomevers protein bars and a cup or 2 of milk..works for me everytime especially while on a ph/prosteroid cycle

HauseKat · 02-29-2004, 12:04 AM

^^ i wanna try those bars!!!!

db682 · 02-29-2004, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by size

Also, you appear to have a mild case of gyno. Just be carfeul with future drugs that you use.

pseudogynecomastia
Not to be using you as an example size, but the words gyno are being tossed around way to freely. From appearance aspects the only thing that we can determine is that he has pseudogynecomastia, not gynecomastia. Pseudo is the form that is extremly common in males and is just a case of adipose tissue buildup (Or better known as puffy nips) which is capable of a high rate of reduction to the point where it is no longer significantly visable. Gynecomastia is more commonly known from the tumorous lumps that develop just under the skin is and is currently only curable with surgery and it reoccurance rates are pretty high even after surgery. Gyno is a form of cancer, pseudo is not. Its this fact that has me doing so much research into it lately.
I think that when someone tells someone else that they may have gyno then they should be able to explain the forms of it as to not cause an individual to believe that he is cursed with some form of cancer that is only curable through surgery when in fact he may not be.
But I guess it is better to be safe then sorry. Oh well

Im going to start posting some of the info Ive got saved on my personal file space at school from a bunch of published med. websites on this subject.

Embrace,
Eat and lift with dedication, my only advice for someone new to the game.

db