me at 170 FEEDBACK PLEASE?
- 02-03-2009, 11:25 PM
- 02-03-2009, 11:55 PM
02-04-2009, 08:29 AM
Looking good with the upper abs showing but def need some bulk on the shoulders. Depending upon your age and training experience you could try a PH cycle to get some quick gains.
02-04-2009, 08:54 AM
02-04-2009, 09:09 AM
02-04-2009, 09:25 AM
the top looks well proportioned and condtioned to me.
we need more pics, back and legs. (dont tell me you have some chicken legs)
02-04-2009, 10:17 AM
02-04-2009, 10:32 AM
I realize you included the caveat of "age and exp" but I dont think steroids should be advocated, information should merely be made available.
02-04-2009, 10:46 AM
i dont think you should just reccommend ph or steroids to someone like that 'for quick gains' either. It creates a very bad image and the reason why we get things banned and a bad wrap for using steroids in bodybuilding, its people like you that get others to think its ok, its the easy way, guys that dont even know what they are doing diet or training wise, 'just hit up them ph's man its quick and easy'. Do you even know his history? Age? Not a good idea.
02-04-2009, 11:21 AM
Without jumping on Warsteiner's back, I do agree with the others. I do not think his comment was intentionally trying to hurt anyone or any image. Hopefully he/she will recognize the mistake and learn. Anyways, regarding the picture... Great pec and ab development!
02-04-2009, 11:34 AM
Shoulders are lagging behind rest of your development, but its really hard to tell with this pic. Can u post more. Lookn great though!
02-04-2009, 11:56 AM
thanks guys appriciate all the comments and advice... i dont wanna touch any hormone things yet i just started taking vyotech 17hd and thats a natural test booster i was scared enough taking that..
but yeaa can anyone give me a good shoulder routine? My shoulders hurt alot after benching and generally get sore pretty easy. anyone got a good routine for building Mass quickly?
02-04-2009, 12:15 PM
02-04-2009, 12:19 PM
looks like alot of shoulder work anythiing maybe two tiimes a week type workout? playing football in h.s. killed my shoulders =/
02-04-2009, 12:24 PM
The reason i mention that is, if your shoulders are sore, then you do shoulder exercises, you could be over training them.
My favorite exercises for shoulders are lateral lifts, (bent over) rear delt lifts and clean and presses. I feel like most peoples front delts are over developed, so I've always made and effort to do my rear delts first, so that they get fully worked.
02-04-2009, 12:25 PM
02-04-2009, 12:46 PM
02-04-2009, 12:50 PM
stretch your muscle to the point of pain and hold for a good 15 seconds from what i know. I like to stand infront of the smith machine with the bar at about my chest (hieght wise) and i turn my back to the bar and grab the bar from behind my back and slowly kneel down until i can feel my pecs and my shoulders stretch, i usually hold for 15 seconds and take deep heavy breaths.
02-04-2009, 12:51 PM
02-04-2009, 01:28 PM
When you do upright rows on the smith, make sure to have a wide grip. I used that for months and i worked very well until I was acclimated to the workout.
02-04-2009, 01:40 PM
damn i forgot to mention id never trained shoulders dircetly. Id push press etc.. things like that. However nothing more then 3 sets for shoulders..
would you guys think i could bust threw my bench plateau training shoulders directly? would that also help relieve some of my shoulder pain after benching?
02-04-2009, 02:00 PM
This will take a couple times to really get the hang of it. At a smith machine with the bar at chest level face away from it and reach back and grab the bar with an undergrip. Now slowly walk forward until you are up on your heels and it really starts to stretch. At this point roll your shoulders forward and downward like in the bottom position of a shrug. Hold for 60 seconds if you can, you will feel it in your shoulders, biceps and forearms if you do it right. But it will really hurt up in the front delt area. Again here is a pic of how the stretch will look.
02-04-2009, 06:02 PM
02-04-2009, 07:04 PM
02-04-2009, 11:43 PM
alright here it goes lol.
Sunday- Back/ couple sets for biceps
I do heavy deads pretty heavy squats and cycle from 10 reps to 1 rep in bench so im pretty drained after these workouts but anyway i can throw in shoulders would be great. i wanted to get a tat but i also thought my shoulders were too small for it =(
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