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    epistane difference


    First pic was in october of 2007. second was in february of 2008. the difference with one low dose epistane cycle.


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    nicely done.
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    good job, what kind of changes in body weight, strength did you notice? how did you cycle epistane? again well done.
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    Definitely see the thickness change,.. good job!!!
    Think training's hard,. try losing!
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    Thanks guys, the cycle went like this 20/20/20/30. Weight went from 186 at day one to 201-202 after pct. Strength was very steadily increasing throughout the whole cycle. just one example, on dumbell press i was repping 80s about 10-12 times and at the end of the cycle i was repping 100s 9-10 times. Endurance was ridiculous as well, felt like i could lift heavy weight all day and then some more.
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    GREAT job!
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    Hey bro, great job. I was thinking of running the same epi cycle of 10/20/20/30. I wana start lower becuasei have some pubertal gyno. Did u dose ED or EOD? And how did ure PCT look?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pavb10 View Post
    Hey bro, great job. I was thinking of running the same epi cycle of 10/20/20/30. I wana start lower becuasei have some pubertal gyno. Did u dose ED or EOD? And how did ure PCT look?
    I dosed everyday and had some minor gyno as well before starting... it was fine until i hit 30mg(flared up). It was just too hard to stay at 20 when the gains were so good.
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    6-OXO 300/400/500/600/400/300

    This cycle ended in the beggining of february and i haven't used anything since then except for the past six weeks i've been on letro. I'm starting a new cycle January 1st and i'm going balls to the wall. Gotta get :bb:
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    Was ure original gyno from puberty cuz it appears like u got none in the pic. Anyway did the flare up go away eventually?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pavb10 View Post
    Was ure original gyno from puberty cuz it appears like u got none in the pic. Anyway did the flare up go away eventually?
    got a little in puberty but not enough for anyone to actually tell... i started superdrol and after being on it for a week at 10mg a day i got gyno really bad. didn't know what i was doing at the time and only used novedex xt for my pct. the epi didn't make gyno worse until i bumped up to 30mg. Been on letro now for a while and lump on right side is gone and left side is very small. nips are still puffy though not sure if they'll ever be the same without surgery. i will be using adex for my next cycle and b6 so that it doesn't get worse. if i feel a flare up at all i'll be ending the cycle.
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    Oh alrite thanks bro. What exactly is adex? I have some pubertal gyno and I was planning on running an EOD cycle of 10/20/20/30. I wana go real moderate for my first cycle so thats what im using the very low doses. What would u suggest for this cycle on days im not dosing and the PCT?
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    honestly I don't like the EOD idea... I think if you did 4 weeks at 20mg a day you would have much better results and sides won't be anything noticeable. You're kind of wanting to pulse but an EOD pulse is probably not the best idea, for me anyways. 20mg everyday for 4 weeks isn't much, i highly doubt it would do anything to your gyno. when i said adex i was reffering to arimadex, it's an aromatase inhibitor. and for a 20/20/20/20 cycle i would use a low dose of nolva and pcs for pct.
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    What kind of pulse would be a good idea then? Im just trying to look at all options and determine whats best, a 4 week Ed 20mg could be best. I dont want huge gains my first time out but i want the safest cycle possible. I really like the epistane compound compared to others and i definitly want to run it. Its also probabally important to say that i play college ball and will be training almost every day and doing a ton of cardio and running. I dont want my tendons and ligaments to break down or my joints to become to to dry. What kinda of nolva dose would u suggest?
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    that's a pretty solid gain, for that low of a dose. good job on the transformation!
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    If I ever pulse, It would be something like M/W/F while taking a natty test booster on all other days and an AI everyday. Still not a fan of if yet though, maybe someday. for the cycle i suggested, nolva would be fine dosed 20/20/20/10. I don't think you would have any joint problems, caused by epi, at 20 mg a day, but my joints are very crappy and i'm usually on some type of joint supp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suncloud View Post
    that's a pretty solid gain, for that low of a dose. good job on the transformation!
    appreciate it dude
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    Why arent you a big fan of pulsing? Is there a greater risk of sides?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pavb10 View Post
    Why arent you a big fan of pulsing? Is there a greater risk of sides?
    well i seem to be shut down quite easily, and even on a 3x week pulse i think that i would have complications. I would rather run straight through and have better results and know how to do pct. when pulsing there are too many variables for me. i like to keep things simple for the most part and know how to do things. i'm sure it works great for some, just don't think it's for me. January i'm planning to start a 6-7 week cycle, run strait through, then follow with traditional pct.
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    Yeah thats the thing, i really wana avoid shutdown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pavb10 View Post
    Yeah thats the thing, i really wana avoid shutdown.
    Then something like three times a week(not consecutive days) with a test booster on other days and an over the counter AI everyday would be good for you i think. only one way to find out ya know... if you did this you wouldn't need a serm and you probably won't be shutdown.
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    Yeah ive been considering doing that with mass fx, 6 bromo and trione. Would 20 mg be a suffeicent dose for four weeks? I would probally dose it on my clean day, leg day and chest day preworkout
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    that sounds like a good stack and yea if it were me i would use 20mg
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    for all the newbies that think he made this transformation from epi only ... im sorry you are mistaken.. to transform his body like he did, i can only imagine how spot on his diet was,, because i have seen far too many logs with dirty bulks on epi.. great job on reducing bodyfat an gaining weight.. can you post a sample diet while you were on.. did you diet change at all during pct? cardio on cycle?
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    yeah obviosuly very true. The majority of lifting is dieting anyway
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigzach1234 View Post
    for all the newbies that think he made this transformation from epi only ... im sorry you are mistaken.. to transform his body like he did, i can only imagine how spot on his diet was,, because i have seen far too many logs with dirty bulks on epi.. great job on reducing bodyfat an gaining weight.. can you post a sample diet while you were on.. did you diet change at all during pct? cardio on cycle?
    I did some cardio while on, but not much... Mainly a few basketball games a week. This was a bulking cycle. I didn't follow a meal plan or anything too specific, just stuck to the basics and made sure I got so many grams of carbs/protein/fat as well as enough cals. I also ate every 3 hours even if it was just a whey shake. I was able to cut fat while gaining lean mass because everything i ate was for a specific reason, I don't like eating as much as you possibly can no matter what it is or "dirty bulking." Clean cals with enough of each source is what i like.
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    Looking good brosef, I did a my first cycle of Epi Like 3 months ago went up to 60mg, Felt like god. And Gained about 25lbs. On another cycle with Epistane + Omnevol. Up about 27 Lbs in 3 weeks. Here comes 220!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattRoeske View Post
    Looking good brosef, I did a my first cycle of Epi Like 3 months ago went up to 60mg, Felt like god. And Gained about 25lbs. On another cycle with Epistane + Omnevol. Up about 27 Lbs in 3 weeks. Here comes 220!
    Damn... somebody responds well
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattRoeske View Post
    Looking good brosef, I did a my first cycle of Epi Like 3 months ago went up to 60mg, Felt like god. And Gained about 25lbs. On another cycle with Epistane + Omnevol. Up about 27 Lbs in 3 weeks. Here comes 220!
    so to hijack, but im confused. so u were 130lbs when u started taking steroids?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nosnmiveins View Post
    so to hijack, but im confused. so u were 130lbs when u started taking steroids?
    yea i just did the math too haha


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    Quote Originally Posted by bb4life View Post
    This was a bulking cycle... Clean cals with enough of each source is what i like.
    Word!
    Fantastic job!
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