I Love Sd!

[Svgeman]

Oh definitely lethargic.. most evident by week 2. I'd also get some pretty painful pumps in my lower back and shoulders. Sex drive remained about the same. All in all, sides compared to gains, I'd say this is by far the best PH. I'm gonna try M1t next, hopefully I'll have similar results.

I think m1t is the most toxic stuff out there . I have never tried it , but my brother did and he said it makes everything hurt from your balls to your head .

I'm seriously considering a test e cycle simply because you can't run ph's for a long period . If you could make steady gains for 10 weeks or so on sd and it not kill your liver then that would be the no.1 supplement .

[Svgeman]

I think those are freakin awsome gains for only 21 days.

[TripDog]

Java how old are you? You look about 17-18.

[Cub]

Massive PCT overkill.

[RealG]

No UPDATES?

[javadsmm]

Java how old are you? You look about 17-18.

Tell me about it bro..It's really just that pic, clean shaved I look about 18. But don't sweat, I turned 21 in march this year.

[javadsmm]

Massive PCT overkill.

Well, The only reason I didn't run Nolva only, is cause the site I ordered from accidentally sent me a nolva/clomid combo vial which was dosed 10/50/ml. I also know that SD is some pretty harsh sh*t so I wanted to be sure my values returned to normal. I have seen great results with just 6-oxo, so I included it in my PCT. I got most of my plan from the SD for dummies post. SO why do you think it was over kill? Wouldn't it be much better to be safe than sorry?...

[Zero V]

Traps,shoulders, chest all look better build. nice gains, thats a good amount, hope you can hold onto it.

nice job

[TripDog]

Well, The only reason I didn't run Nolva only, is cause the site I ordered from accidentally sent me a nolva/clomid combo vial which was dosed 10/50/ml. I also know that SD is some pretty harsh sh*t so I wanted to be sure my values returned to normal. I have seen great results with just 6-oxo, so I included it in my PCT. I got most of my plan from the SD for dummies post. SO why do you think it was over kill? Wouldn't it be much better to be safe than sorry?...

Yes def, it's not pct overkill by any means. Trust me i've done a lot more than that..lol.

[Manimalia]

Yes def, it's not pct overkill by any means. Trust me i've done a lot more than that..lol.

you said you were au' naturale, tripdog! yeah, i'm a hater and i know it.

[poopypants]

Yes def, it's not pct overkill by any means. Trust me i've done a lot more than that..lol.

LOL hope he doesnt stumble into my log and see what I did for just Epi.....

Great results there bro. Lats are def flared bigger, shoulders are noticably larger too. I know that direct camera flash can take away a TON of depth on most cats though so avoid it in the future, use top lighting from a hall light or the like so that definition is accentuated and changes are more noticable..... sorry this aint photo 101 but just thought id help.

Wish I could run SD again... it was a WONDERFUL compoundfor size and strength but it gave me back pumps like no other, rage was uncontrolable at times where I am a VERY chill individual, this was not cause I thought I was on so I could be a ****.... i was truely more irratable on SD and havnt ever experienced that with anything else..... and worst of all I got gyno on it and its aggrivated within 2 days the last two times I tried to start it again.... sad day in poops life.... Oh well got plenty of Epi

[Cub]

Well, The only reason I didn't run Nolva only, is cause the site I ordered from accidentally sent me a nolva/clomid combo vial which was dosed 10/50/ml. I also know that SD is some pretty harsh sh*t so I wanted to be sure my values returned to normal. I have seen great results with just 6-oxo, so I included it in my PCT. I got most of my plan from the SD for dummies post. SO why do you think it was over kill? Wouldn't it be much better to be safe than sorry?...

I see, wasn't aware the SERMs were combined. Personally, I wouldn't use the 6-OXO as well, but that's just me. Either way, you're lookin' good mate

[Perfection300]

your delts , arms & chest look way fuller!

SD must be comparable to oral aas.

[inmymind801]

How does your PCT look? What are you taking and what dose?

[javadsmm]

So my cycle went like this:
Week 1: Preload
Milk Thistle 1000mg ED
Hawthorne Berry 75mg ED
Flaxseed Oil 1000mg ED

Week 2: On Cycle
Superdrol 20mg ED
Flaxseed Oil 100mg ED
Hawthorne Berry 75mg ED
Milk Thistle 1000mg ED
DHB (Grapefruit Extract)

Week 2-3:

Superdrol 30mg ED
Flaxseed Oil 100mg ED
Hawthorne Berry 75mg ED
Milk Thistle 1000mg ED
DHB (Grapefruit Extract)

Weeks 4-7: PCT
Nolvadex: 30/30/15/15
Clomid: 150/150/75/75
6-OXO: 900/600/400/300
Milk Thistle 1250mg ED
Hawthorne Berry 100mg ED
BSN Cell Mass
BSN NO-Explode

Diet: I logged my diet on a calorie count site. I tried to be EXACT in my calculations.(Every little crumb..)
On Workout days I averaged:
4200 Cal: 320g Protein, 480g Carbs, 70g Fat (appx. 35/45/20)
On non workout days:
3800 Cal: 300g Protein, 385g Carbs, 60g Fat

...

[poopypants]

your delts , arms & chest look way fuller!

SD must be comparable to oral aas.

it IS oral AAS in every way shape and form!!!! just NEW(er... 2004/5) and not exactly illegal yet...

Its methyl masteron with some tweaks I believe (methylation may be the only tweak cant remember)

[Perfection300]

it IS oral AAS in every way shape and form!!!! just NEW(er... 2004/5) and not exactly illegal yet...

Its methyl masteron with some tweaks I believe (methylation may be the only tweak cant remember)

I've heard about M1T and it awhile back but never considered getting involved with OTC products.

This forum is more suited to these PH/PS type supps and I think I'm going to try them out considering some of the gains ppl on here are making!

Either Havoc or somthing else

Hear that Superdrol causes bloat?? Don't want that.

[javadsmm]

Hear that Superdrol causes bloat?? Don't want that.

I didn't experience any bloating. I was seriously lethargic by week 3. I felt like I didn't even have enough energy to go to the gym. Expect some serious pumps, in the lower back especially. My lower back and bi's would get painfully pumped.. literally...painful. My blood pressure went through the roof and is still a little high from this cycle (about 140/70). So be aware that there ARE certain risks involved with taking "PH/PS/AAS", or whatever other abbreviation you may have for SD, but a cycle is well thought out and done correctly, the gains with SD are phenomenal.

[poopypants]

I've heard about M1T and it awhile back but never considered getting involved with OTC products.

This forum is more suited to these PH/PS type supps and I think I'm going to try them out considering some of the gains ppl on here are making!

Either Havoc or somthing else

Hear that Superdrol causes bloat?? Don't want that.

noooo.... at least not to my knowledge(and its pretty extensive with 3 SD runs under my belt and tons of convos on the compound)

IT WILL HOWEVER..... give some of the meanest backpumps ever, def *****s if not exceeds any sides youll experience with Dbol or Drol. Acne can be a problem, Gyno can be a problem and from an unknown source as it doesnt aromatize... so an AI is not enough a SERM is a must and even rec for low dose (10mg nolva/20mg torem) on cycle from my point of view.

Also Aggression is somewhat hard to control, would rather label it irritability but one can get quite carried away even if you normally maintain a cool demeanor (I am usually chill myself but went off on the pizza man for lockin the doors in my face... I had a craving but that was crazy how pissed I got).

It also shuts you down pretty hard and if your PCT isnt air tight gains can be lost (some will be any who as it stores tons of glycogen in your muscles so its inevitable... still 15 out of 17 were maintained for my first run), but libido will be dead for a while unless major support supps are enacted.

BUT if taken at a low dose its great, very Dry able to utilize carbs VERY well which translates into great strength gains. Big gains dont start coming till weeks 3 or 4 but then they fly on, 12-20lbs LBM gained is very likely if your diet is set.

altogether I DONT recommend this compound, the sides are fairly harsh and theres just MUCH better options out there....

Epistane/Havoc for one is a great choice, with TONS of benifits

Gains in LBM with fatloss, great strength gains GREAT sense of well being (almost euphoric at times) and a HUGE libido boost.
Its VERY non suppresive, easy to rebound from and gains are easily maintained because of this (hell I GAINED 5lbs through my first Epi PCT after puttin on 13.5 while ON)

Plus its much kinder on you liver, lipids AND has anti esrtogen type effects (actually diminished, not cleared, my existing gyno at the same time!!!)

Heres a summation post of my Epi Log you might be interested in.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/suppl...tml#post811500

Other then that Id look into H-drol for another dry one and P-Plex if tons of mass is what your lookin for (but can be a lil wet from person to person), they are all better choices IMO.

[Perfection300]

I didn't experience any bloating. I was seriously lethargic by week 3. I felt like I didn't even have enough energy to go to the gym. Expect some serious pumps, in the lower back especially. My lower back and bi's would get painfully pumped.. literally...painful. My blood pressure went through the roof and is still a little high from this cycle (about 140/70). So be aware that there ARE certain risks involved with taking "PH/PS/AAS", or whatever other abbreviation you may have for SD, but a cycle is well thought out and done correctly, the gains with SD are phenomenal.

Superdrol sounds like it has more side effects than Dbol, Drol & Halo!

What is this oral Tren lol.

I would get Blood Work done to see what's up!

Thanks for the info guys.