Finasteride(hair growth success)
- 09-04-2008, 01:14 AM
Finasteride(hair growth success)
last year my hair started thinning in the crown area. it was getting ridiculous so i decided to try finasteride.
for the past month, i have been taking roughly .5mg of finasteride a night just before i sleep. i have not noticed any loss in strength(so far). sex drive is slightly less. other than that everything looks good.
- 09-04-2008, 01:17 AM
- 09-04-2008, 01:30 AM
09-04-2008, 01:38 AM
09-04-2008, 07:36 AM
estrogen can make you crazy?
haha - just throw some I3C and/or DIM and maybe even some resveratrol into your daily diet and that should mitigate any increases in estrogen.
congrats on it working for you though.
09-04-2008, 09:59 AM
09-04-2008, 10:05 AM
09-04-2008, 10:36 AM
09-04-2008, 11:50 AM
Rugger - did you try any means of controlling excess estrogen?
I've been on fin for about... 8 months now. Started off 0.5mg ED then moved to 1mg ED at about month 6. While I haven't had any estrogen related sides as such (no ***** titties, no emo **** as you put it lol, no decreased sex drive etc) I have noticed that when I included sustain alpha and some standalone resveratrol i did find it easier to drop fat and it gave me a harder look, so there was defo a bit more estrogen floating around than ideal.
currently I'm intending to carry on using it and will be adding I3C/DIM at some point too to help with mopping up excess emo juice...
Unfortunately Fin certainly isn't for everyone... some people get pretty bad sides, others more mild, some none at all. Seems like a lottery.
09-04-2008, 12:59 PM
09-04-2008, 01:24 PM
It is a neverending battle for me to decide whether or not to jump on the fina wagon. I tried it once for a month and I felt pretty crappy. Felt like I had an awful flu and was real weak. I was dosing it at 1mg ED, perhaps I should try at .5mg ED with some Trione?
09-04-2008, 01:38 PM
09-04-2008, 01:53 PM
im going to try .25mg see if i still reap the benefits. i have read that .5mg was almost as effective in lowering dht in the scalp as 1mg, while not suppressing dht overall in the body was much as 1mg.
09-04-2008, 01:56 PM
09-05-2008, 01:46 AM
09-05-2008, 05:39 PM
mostly cos i got fed up with cutting those bloody pills... so much easier to just pop a 1mg tab out and take it.
fin has an very flat response to dose, dht remains within a few % whether the dose is 0.1mg or 5mg... given that, there should be minimal advantage to be gained from a lower dose as the inhibition effects are very similar, equally there's not much to be gained from a higher dose... so i just go with the most convenient. Also though Although DHT remains very similar, the Merck data did show greater hair regrowth at 6 months on 1mg compared to lesser doses iirc... no idea why when their own data shows the flat DHT response. go figure.
09-05-2008, 05:51 PM
I've been taking 1mg ED for roughly 14 months. My nipples have grown in size (just a tad), and are sensitive for the most part. I do, however, like Cycles, so that could be it, too.
It's crazy, I take it as a preventive, because my father was completelt bold. I have thick, full hair. Maybe I should just stop - I see no difference anyway. And plus, insurance will not cover it unless it's scripted for my prostate; so NO Dr. Lubenfinger for me! $80 a month could be spent elsewhere.
09-05-2008, 06:31 PM
09-05-2008, 06:35 PM
if you have a fulll thick head of hair dont take it. just watch your hair on a cycle see if it does thin out. if it doesnt then F the fina. the only reason i resorted to it is because i was thinning significantly. take a picture before cycle and after cycle with a haircut the same length to be sure.
09-05-2008, 09:09 PM
09-05-2008, 10:31 PM
09-05-2008, 10:50 PM
Don't take that the wrong way... the pictures look great! But, RC's have been known to be less than pure at times.
Awesome results, though.
09-07-2008, 01:43 PM
i think the fina has been making me weaker. when i take fina i "feel it" as in i get less random pumps. and overall just feel weak. i definately lost some size. the loss of sex drive is also noticeable. im thinking about switching to a topical. any suggestions? and will a topical dht blocker block the dht in my scalp or throughout my body?
09-07-2008, 01:57 PM
im considering cycleing fina or looking for a topical dht blocker. do topical dht blockers only work in the scalp or lower dht throughout the body? all i know is going bald is not an option.
09-07-2008, 02:14 PM
09-07-2008, 05:05 PM
09-08-2008, 12:35 AM
09-08-2008, 02:25 PM
Ive been taking <1mg of finasteride pretty much daily for 2+ years with no negative sides. My libido is stronger than it ever was.
09-08-2008, 07:19 PM
09-09-2008, 04:58 PM
09-10-2008, 06:03 AM
09-10-2008, 08:21 AM
09-10-2008, 02:38 PM
iron lungz, your libido check of an avatar is awesome... got to find me on of those (the stunning girl, not the avatar lol).
09-10-2008, 03:15 PM
09-11-2008, 12:26 AM
09-11-2008, 12:29 AM
U guys r talking about propecia(spelling?), right?
I am on it right now because i noticed my hair thinning a little nothing major. So its going to make me produce more estrogen? Should i take something to inhibit it?
09-11-2008, 07:32 AM
yeah propecia = finasteride (propecia = merck's product name, finasteride is the actual drug)
DHT naturally inhibits estrogen, and less test being converted to DHT also means more free test to aromatise to estrogen. This doesn't necessarily mean you'll suffer any estrogen related sides, but it does mean there's a good chance your estrogen levels will be higher.
In my completely unqualified and unimportant opinion, taking an estrogen modulator is a good idea - not high levels of hardcore suicide inhibitors or anything, you do want some estrogen on a long term basis! More like Resveratrol and/or I3C or DIM... I think Primordial performance's sustain alpha is a good one for it too, although using that on a long term basis can be pretty pricey.
dutasteride is fin's evil twin, it inhibits both type I and Type II, and thus brings total DHT levels way lower. In theory this might make for a more powerful hairloss drug, but anecdotally I've seen people claim fin worked better for them, some claim dut worked better, some claim dut caused it to get worse, some claim fin caused it to get worse. Basically though any side effects from dut are going to be magnified versions of fin because it essentially gets rid of far more DHT. I suspect a hyperandrogenocity response is more likely with dut as well, although that's just from logic rather than any evidence, could explain why some people claim to experience "never ending shedding" though. It also has a much longer time to return dht levels to normal. If you quit fin your DHT shoul return to normal within 1 - 2 weeks, dut is over a month.
Personally I don't think dut is worth the risk, there's not even any evidence showing it to be any better against hairloss. I'm not entirely sure it was ever even tested for that purpose, i think people just started using it as a logical extension of finasteride.
09-18-2008, 09:49 PM
well i have stopped using finasteride for about 2 weeks. by the end of the first week without it i started shedding which I expected. now i am using minoxidil. the shedding stop on the second day!. hopefully minoxidil is as effective as finasteride. without any sides. i will keep updating. if my hair starts to thin i might use minoxidil+finasteride for a 1 2 punch. but minoxidil seems promising.
09-21-2008, 05:48 PM
if the fin was working for you without sides i wouldn't have dropped it.
Minoxidil and fin are NOT interchangeable... minoxidil is a very superficial way of treating hairloss, it boosts the hair growth while the underlying process of damage carries on unabated. Minoxidil does nothing to stop your hair follicles from getting merked by DHT, it just keeps them running on life support if you will.
Eventually the minoxidil will not be enough to compensate for the damage to the follicle and it'll go the way of the dodo.
Basically they work through very different mechanisms, and if you want maintenance you need to block dht. Otherwise you're just masking up the problem temporarily and you'll likely regret it a few years down the line.
That's just my $0.02... something for you to consider at least.
09-22-2008, 05:35 AM
yea i realize that minoxidil and finasteride work through very different mechanisms. But finasteride put quite frankly took the fun out of f*!king , just was not pleasurable and my semen was thinner. Definately will use on my next cycle and if my hair gets out of hand.
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