AnaBeta Elite on CBL
- 01-13-2014, 11:46 AM
- 01-13-2014, 02:14 PM
01-13-2014, 03:15 PM
Since the first carbs of the day I take are included in my PWO-shake (52g maltodextrin) I am considering taking it straight after training, then waiting 15 minutes and having the first 2 anabeta capsules, which could potentially "benefit" from the already circulating carbs. After another 15 minutes (GDA?) I would have my first carb-backload with solid food and then spread the other 2 pills on my two remaining meals. Does this theory make any sense to you?
01-13-2014, 03:17 PM
01-19-2014, 06:03 AM
I'm surprised that nobody has picked up on the amount of caffeine in this diet.
Your posts indicate that you're current goals are both to gain lean mass and to cut back your body-fat and whilst caffeine is a very effective tool when cutting, I'm concerned that high dosages such as that described above could eventually lead to adrenal fatigue somewhere down the track (halting or even reversing your fat-loss), not to mention the myriad of other health issues that can potentially arise (kidneys etc).
This is just my 2c and I'm only chiming in because I don't want you to cause undue harm to your health.
01-19-2014, 06:15 AM
Caffeine possesses no ability to cause adrenal insufficiency. Caffeine studies (lifetime studies of high consumption) show improved health and cognition, and coffee, from which most of his caffeine comes from, shows even more population benefits
01-19-2014, 06:18 AM
What are your thoughts on the effects of high caffeine consumption and heart health?
i.e. stress related to elevated heart rate over a duration of time.
01-19-2014, 06:21 AM
Coffee actually protects against heart disease when consumed at high doses chronically (4 cups + daily): http://circheartfailure.ahajournals....67299.abstract. Smaller amounts of coffee work too, just not as well. There is, however, a 3% increase in incidence of heart disease if you consume 11 cups of coffee a day...which is downright absurd to begin with
01-19-2014, 06:32 AM
01-19-2014, 06:38 AM
What is heart disease? In the U.S., it's chiefly what you just said: heart attack, or risk thereof. So your first sentence doesn't make much sense.
1000mg is daily is high, but is it high enough for me to agree with your initial post about adrenal fatigue/kidney damage? Not quite
01-19-2014, 07:03 AM
Well, actually I'm following what Kiefer recommends in his Carb-Backloading Book. For people being on "Strength Accumulation Protocol" the dose even exceeds the 1000mg threshold.
01-19-2014, 07:21 AM
01-20-2014, 01:52 AM
However if what Cooper said is correct and caffeine doesn't actually cause adrenal insufficiency, I stand corrected. I'm still not entirely convinced though as I have heard and read about the opposite occurring on many occasions, however I am by no means qualified to recommend my word as gospel. It's certainly worth looking into though, if you have the time/interest.
01-20-2014, 02:19 AM
"Adrenal fatigue is 99% fiction, and based on the concept of tolerance. When you supplement with caffeine, the body upregulates hepatic CYP enzymes which are oriented at deactivating caffeine. Naturally, in order to produce an equivalent effect, you have to supplement with more and more caffeine. Similarly, the body upregulates central adenosine receptors and so caffeine literally decreases in potency. If you decrease your dose of caffeine, or become abstinent, you will have a withdrawl period which is simply due to the latter mechanism. Eventually, the adenosine receptors downregulate and you return to baseline.
Fitness "experts" don't understand biology/pharmacology, and blame "adrenal fatigue." Others are trying to make money off of peoples ignorance (i.e. adrenal fatigue supplements).
Adrenal insufficiency is something different. The only way to produce adrenal medulla insufficiency is to physically denervate the organ. You can produce temporary adrenal medulla atrophy with absence of leptin, cortisol, or corticotropin. The latter two can be induced with exogenous supplementation of glucocorticoids, although the main effect will be directed towards the adrenal cortex (i.e. actual adrenal insufficiency).
New Fact Sheets Dispel Myths of Adrenal Fatigue and Wilson
Adrenal fatigue: Is there such a thing? - Mayo Clinic"
The adenosine receptors in the above excerpt are the receptors that modulate wakefulness. When they get activated, they block the reticular activating system (RAS; responsible for arousal/alertness), which induces sleep. So you use caffeine for a long time, these adenosine receptors increase in number, and then you go off caffeine. You now have a ton of adenosine receptors that are no longer blocked, and the natural feeling you get is a "loss of energy; fatigue." This has nothing to do with adrenal glands.
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